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Post by corndog on Jun 13, 2016 12:08:58 GMT -5
The 2nd biggest superstar in WWE History Austin can do what he wants. He made the WWE a BUTTLOAD of cash and along with Rock was probably the ONLY reason WWE run the Monday Night War truth be told. (If Austin, Rock weren't there we would be watching Nitro right now) . A lousy drawing, overrated, over pushed, overhyped upper midcard DUD like Triple H who took eyes off the WWE product due to his boring reign of terror and ruining other guys' opportunities in their primes who were more over than him, shouldn't have that same luxury. Not going to argue that the "Reign of Terror" was both terrible to watch and bad for business. Also, Austin did put HHH over a couple of months later anyways. But at that time, let's be honest, the WWF needed to insert HHH in the main event. First of all, he was the obvious choice. Austin's injuries were catching up to him and he needed to take time off. The Rock's popularity at time, arguably had caught up to Austin's, and at the very least, came close. With Austin out of the picture, the only actual main eventers were the Rock, Foley and the Undertaker. HHH had already been neck and neck with the Rock, he's beaten Mankind, so really he's the only buyable person to make the Champion. Also, he was a strong heel that you can put against the very popular Rock and Foley. Of course I am talking from a standpoint in that era and not what would happen in the future.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jun 13, 2016 12:13:17 GMT -5
I'm not going to criticize Austin for being protective of his character and his spot.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jun 13, 2016 13:31:05 GMT -5
People say Austin gets a free pass but for what he's done for WWE, he should. Arguably none of us would still be here talking about it on a forum without him. I think the idea that someone should get a free pass for beating up their wife because they "did a lot" for a television show is laughable. If the Johnny Depp allegations are true then should he be forgiven based on all he's done for the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise? We're talking about his politics in wrestling, though. I didn't mention him hitting his wife.
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Post by lizzurd on Jun 13, 2016 14:42:32 GMT -5
A lousy drawing, overrated, over pushed, overhyped upper midcard DUD like Triple H Triple H was chosen by Meltzer as the biggest box office draw of the decade (2000-2009)
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 13, 2016 14:45:45 GMT -5
A lousy drawing, overrated, over pushed, overhyped upper midcard DUD like Triple H Triple H was chosen by Meltzer as the biggest box office draw of the decade (2000-2009)Measuring if someone's a draw is basically impossible though.
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Post by quackyquack1 on Sept 23, 2016 12:42:38 GMT -5
A complete myth, he didn't refuse to put HHH over nor is him refusing to do a program with Billy Gunn true, not wanting to work with Jeff Jarrett was the only legit one.
Go search the August 30, 1999 WON that was recently put up, it explains everything.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Sept 23, 2016 12:51:47 GMT -5
Oh, I dunno about HBK. It's universally agreed (including Michaela himself) that he was a total uncooperative, politicking dick Regards HBK Even back then it was know. Look at the crowd reaction when he loses his smile. They weren't stupid, even though Vince looked like he was going to cry. 2002 onward HBK is Awesome. 90s HBK was on so many drugs he broke a vertebrae mid match and still finished.
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Post by abjordans on Sept 23, 2016 12:57:11 GMT -5
Havent read the thread, has anyone said because it is Stone Cold and he was/is awesome?
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Post by The Blue Nova on Sept 23, 2016 13:06:38 GMT -5
I think it has a lot to do with a lot of different factors. 1. Being there was not the social media and all the wrestling news sites there are now 2. I have friends who were in the IWC back then and they tell me the IWC was a lot different then then it was now such as Vader and Cornette being universally loved as well as austin for that matter who was probably one of the most popular wrestlers still at that time. I just think it was a different way of thinking back then is all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 13:19:10 GMT -5
Let me go ask my 11 year old self.
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Post by MrElijah on Sept 23, 2016 13:44:16 GMT -5
Regards HBK Even back then it was know. Look at the crowd reaction when he loses his smile. They weren't stupid, even though Vince looked like he was going to cry. 2002 onward HBK is Awesome. 90s HBK was on so many drugs he broke a vertebrae mid match and still finished. You are talking about the Taker casket match right?
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Sept 23, 2016 13:50:37 GMT -5
2002 onward HBK is Awesome. 90s HBK was on so many drugs he broke a vertebrae mid match and still finished. You are talking about the Taker casket match right? Yeah. He must have been on something strong to have not collapsed in agony from that.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 23, 2016 14:18:59 GMT -5
Havent read the thread, has anyone said because it is Stone Cold and he was/is awesome? A hell of a lot of it is this, most people make exceptions for their favourites. Actors do terrible things, can still make big movies people watch, sports starts can still get into good teams and people buy their merch and root for them.
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Post by avenger on Sept 23, 2016 14:55:25 GMT -5
Havent read the thread, has anyone said because it is Stone Cold and he was/is awesome? A hell of a lot of it is this, most people make exceptions for their favourites. Actors do terrible things, can still make big movies people watch, sports starts can still get into good teams and people buy their merch and root for them. Look at Dusty Rhodes - huge backstage politician, yet gets a free pass.
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Post by Curt Hawkins Fan on Sept 23, 2016 14:57:09 GMT -5
A complete myth, he didn't refuse to put HHH over nor is him refusing to do a program with Billy Gunn true, not wanting to work with Jeff Jarrett was the only legit one. Go search the August 30, 1999 WON that was recently put up, it explains everything. Why bump this
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Post by corndog on Sept 23, 2016 15:05:51 GMT -5
A complete myth, he didn't refuse to put HHH over nor is him refusing to do a program with Billy Gunn true, not wanting to work with Jeff Jarrett was the only legit one. Go search the August 30, 1999 WON that was recently put up, it explains everything. Why bump this I was wondering the same thing, this thread came back out of nowhere.
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Post by quackyquack1 on Sept 23, 2016 15:38:10 GMT -5
I was wondering the same thing, this thread came back out of nowhere. Because the WON I was talking about finally explained everything that everyone was debating about for a long time. The 8/23 WON stated that he had no problems with Billy Gunn and would've worked a PPV match w/ him later on that year, the heat with Jarrett is true though.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Sept 23, 2016 15:43:12 GMT -5
A complete myth, he didn't refuse to put HHH over nor is him refusing to do a program with Billy Gunn true, not wanting to work with Jeff Jarrett was the only legit one. Go search the August 30, 1999 WON that was recently put up, it explains everything. Why bump this We don't have rules against necro bumping like this. If you can add to the discussion feel free to bump any thread not in the archives yet.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 23, 2016 15:44:26 GMT -5
For those that don't know at Summerslam 1999 Triple H was due to go over Austin and win the belt. Plans were all set up for it then Austin said No. So Foley won it only to drop it the next night on Raw to Trips. While the Rock is back in the mid card with Billy Gunn ?! Now Trips ( deservedly) gets roasted for his political games and the Reign of terror but Austin seems to get let off for this blatant politicking. Although this sounds harsh but him taking time out for his neck injury actually worked out for the better for the company as the Rock became the Top guy and as big as Austin as one of the top draws off all time while Trips became the top Heel and won Wrestler of the year. Yet even so they couldn't have know that the time so are fans hypocritical with giving Austin an easy ride on this ? That Summerslam story isn't true, so that's probably why fans give him a pass on it.
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Post by Timeless Hayterade on Sept 23, 2016 16:28:27 GMT -5
Looking back on it, I think it was right for Triple H not to go over Austin and to have Mankind be the transitional champion that lost to Triple H instead. Having re-watched the episodes of Raw heading into SummerSlam, I was instantly reverted back to my ten year old self and was reminded why Triple H had no business beating Austin at that point. Triple H went from beating The Rock at Fully Loaded to going on a jobbing spree heading into SummerSlam. Two weeks in a row, he jobbed to Chyna. Yeah, what a way to build up a Heel. Now, how could Triple H (who jobbed to Chyna two weeks in a row heading into SummerSlam) be viewed as a legitimate threat to Stone Cold whose character is the baddest motherf***er walking the earth?
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