The Kliq documentary really is the worst thing ever

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

I've only just watched this thing today and I've stopped after 45 minutes.

It tries to paint them as being in the right about everything, but makes basically all of them sound like colossal douchebags. Shawn has apparently turned over a new leaf since his conversion to Christianity, but his entire interview in this in particular makes him sound like a horrendous, catastrophic butt plug of a man. 'Oh we were right about everything!'

It also has the weirdest announcer I've ever heard in a WWE doc, and the editing makes it seem like a 90s Lifetime movie at the start.

Please tell me I'm not the only one who thought this was awful.

[sonofsharknado]

It's also got Shawn saying shit like "If people had a problem, they should have spoken up!"

They did speak up.

and were fired.

[edgestar]

I bought 2 copies of the dvd, to give to my brother and his friend for Christmas. His friend said the only kliq member he liked, was Shawn, so I ended up just keeping it, but haven't watched it yet. Sounds like I'll either be bored, or laugh a lot.

[Mozenrath]

I think to an extent, their menace is overblown by people. They weren't the first wrestlers who leveraged connections to help themselves financially or creatively, and they sure as f*** weren't the first people to use it to bully people. Not unless Dynamite Kid had a time machine and got the idea from them to be a complete monster to people.

That said, 90s Shawn was seemingly one of the shittiest main eventers to be around this side of Warrior.

[sfvega]

I'm on the fence on Shawn. He seems like a nice guy now, but he also seems like he wants to bury his head in the sand about a ton of things he did and essentially who he was for a large portion of his adult life. It just seems disingenuous. I like all the Kliq as performers, but as people they do seem to live up to the carny reputation. The carny code. Watching things like this is hard, because it makes me appreciate their work less.

[darkjourney]

To this day, I'll never understand why Vince let them just run roughshod over his entire damn company when they weren't even drawing. Ive always felt that, YES there was some kind of sexual relations between Shawn and Vince. How Vince let certain people get away with that much shit is beyond me.

I could see if they were drawing Hogan/Austin/Rock numbers but they weren't close. 1995-1996 was a terrible time for WWE.


Most of these WWE produced documentaries are all revisionist crap. Revising history to suit their own Agendas. To this day, Vince actually thought the Kliq was good for business.

[Deleted]

Shawn and Hunter created The Attitude Era so I forgive them.

[Jedi-El of Tomorrow]

Jun 13, 2016 17:28:03 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

I think to an extent, their menace is overblown by people. They weren't the first wrestlers who leveraged connections to help themselves financially or creatively, and they sure as f*** weren't the first people to use it to bully people. Not unless Dynamite Kid had a time machine and got the idea from them to be a complete monster to people.

That said, 90s Shawn was seemingly one of the shittiest main eventers to be around this side of Warrior.

Well, like you said 90s HBK was one of the biggest douchebags politically and backstage ever in wrestling. Hogan played politics, but he also drew a shitload of money, made everybody he faced look good (it didn't matter if it was a tag wrestler or what, hell he lost a match to Genius), and most of the people he worked with say they hated his politics, but liked the guy. Shawn, you don't get that.

Also, it's the WWE propaganda machine. They absolutely love to portray the Kliq as saviors of wrestling, and talk about how HBK and Triple H started the Attitude Era. They really don't want to mention that Nash and HBK's times at the top had business in the shitter, and that Goldust and the Austin vs Bret feud started the Attitude Era.

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

Jun 13, 2016 18:08:53 GMT -5 darkjourney said:

To this day, I'll never understand why Vince let them just run roughshod over his entire damn company when they weren't even drawing. Ive always felt that, YES there was some kind of sexual relations between Shawn and Vince. How Vince let certain people get away with that much shit is beyond me.

I could see if they were drawing Hogan/Austin/Rock numbers but they weren't close. 1995-1996 was a terrible time for WWE.


Most of these WWE produced documentaries are all revisionist crap. Revising history to suit their own Agendas. To this day, Vince actually thought the Kliq was good for business.

Vince was afraid that the Kliq would "take their talents down south" if he didn't give them what they wanted.

[corndog]

Jun 13, 2016 22:21:08 GMT -5 Jedi-El of Tomorrow said:

Jun 13, 2016 17:28:03 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

I think to an extent, their menace is overblown by people. They weren't the first wrestlers who leveraged connections to help themselves financially or creatively, and they sure as f*** weren't the first people to use it to bully people. Not unless Dynamite Kid had a time machine and got the idea from them to be a complete monster to people.

That said, 90s Shawn was seemingly one of the shittiest main eventers to be around this side of Warrior.

Well, like you said 90s HBK was one of the biggest douchebags politically and backstage ever in wrestling. Hogan played politics, but he also drew a shitload of money, made everybody he faced look good (it didn't matter if it was a tag wrestler or what, hell he lost a match to Genius), and most of the people he worked with say they hated his politics, but liked the guy. Shawn, you don't get that.

Also, it's the WWE propaganda machine. They absolutely love to portray the Kliq as saviors of wrestling, and talk about how HBK and Triple H started the Attitude Era. They really don't want to mention that Nash and HBK's times at the top had business in the shitter, and that Goldust and the Austin vs Bret feud started the Attitude Era.

Obviously with HHH, being in the position he is, the WWE will paint the Kliq in a much better light than they really were. The winners and losers are very obvious with the WWE's revisionist history.

The only time in the DVD where the really talk about the locker room disliking them is when they have to bum a ride from Bam Bam, after Waltman drove the van off the road. Other than that, they are portrayed like the best thing since sliced bread. Obviously, they did some cool and interesting things that changed the business. But they were complete pricks to work with(minus Waltman from what most say).

Also, as far as Hogan politicking, yeah it was obvious. But most people said he was very respectful and a nice person. You never hear of Hogan doing anything malicious and causing problems backstage. Obviously there were people that didn't like him, because he was probably less than honest with them or his politics may have negatively affected them, but I don't remember hearing about Hogan banging people's girlfriends and having his buddies watch the door.

[lizzurd]

That's only because Hogan's buddies willingly offer up their girlfriends.

[The Ichi]

Jun 13, 2016 19:00:01 GMT -5 @mrbonezone said:

Shawn and Hunter created The Attitude Era so I forgive them.

And here I thought Austin and Vince did.

[The Dark Order Inferno]

Jun 13, 2016 19:00:01 GMT -5 @mrbonezone said:

Shawn and Hunter created The Attitude Era so I forgive them.

Shawn and Hunter didn't invent or create anything, they didn't push the company down that path, they were stood at the head of the ship while people backstage changed the company's direction because they were heading toward an iceberg after two years of giving Shawn and friends everything they asked for. They were edgy but so was everyone else, Bret/Austin, Mankind/Taker and possibly Golddust/Piper and it's culturally aware trashiness laid more of the groundwork for the attitude era than anything DX did, aside from Montreal.

[Prince Petty]

I don't even understand why the WWE made this documentary. 'Here's a look at a backstage group of friends who acted like complete asshats to everyone, used their influence to stay on top and did lots of drugs and booze'. What's interesting about that?

Despite HBK's supposed personality change, the only time I've seen him own up to the shitty things he did was when he and Bret did that joint interview/doc with JR, and Bret just called him out on it all. Shawn just looked sheepish and said he regretted it all. The WWE can try to revise their behaviour all they like, but there's enough evidence from numerous other sources as to how dickish these guys were backstage, and how loathed they were by a lot of their colleagues. Hell, even The Rock's weird, semi-kayfabe book openly says Hunter and Shawn were dicks.

[cool]

All the HBK Hate in this thread makes me sad I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Bob Schlapowitz]

Jun 14, 2016 1:02:12 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

Jun 13, 2016 18:08:53 GMT -5 darkjourney said:

To this day, I'll never understand why Vince let them just run roughshod over his entire damn company when they weren't even drawing. Ive always felt that, YES there was some kind of sexual relations between Shawn and Vince. How Vince let certain people get away with that much shit is beyond me.

I could see if they were drawing Hogan/Austin/Rock numbers but they weren't close. 1995-1996 was a terrible time for WWE.


Most of these WWE produced documentaries are all revisionist crap. Revising history to suit their own Agendas. To this day, Vince actually thought the Kliq was good for business.

Vince was afraid that the Kliq would "take their talents down south" if he didn't give them what they wanted.

...which half of them did, anyway.

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Jun 14, 2016 6:40:51 GMT -5 The Ichi said:

Jun 13, 2016 19:00:01 GMT -5 @mrbonezone said:

Shawn and Hunter created The Attitude Era so I forgive them.

And here I thought Austin and Vince did.

Re-watch the doc it was very clear.

[Deleted]

Jun 14, 2016 7:47:28 GMT -5 The Dark Order Inferno said:

Jun 13, 2016 19:00:01 GMT -5 @mrbonezone said:

Shawn and Hunter created The Attitude Era so I forgive them.

Shawn and Hunter didn't invent or create anything, they didn't push the company down that path, they were stood at the head of the ship while people backstage changed the company's direction because they were heading toward an iceberg after two years of giving Shawn and friends everything they asked for. They were edgy but so was everyone else, Bret/Austin, Mankind/Taker and possibly Golddust/Piper and it's culturally aware trashiness laid more of the groundwork for the attitude era than anything DX did, aside from Montreal.

Hunter drove a tank to nitro and blew up the building you can't get much more attitude than that.

[The Dark Order Inferno]

Jun 14, 2016 9:10:36 GMT -5 @mrbonezone said:

Jun 14, 2016 7:47:28 GMT -5 The Dark Order Inferno said:

Shawn and Hunter didn't invent or create anything, they didn't push the company down that path, they were stood at the head of the ship while people backstage changed the company's direction because they were heading toward an iceberg after two years of giving Shawn and friends everything they asked for. They were edgy but so was everyone else, Bret/Austin, Mankind/Taker and possibly Golddust/Piper and it's culturally aware trashiness laid more of the groundwork for the attitude era than anything DX did, aside from Montreal.

Hunter drove a tank to nitro and blew up the building you can't get much more attitude than that.

My apologies for thinking you were serious there, sarcasm doesn't always come across on forums.

[Deleted]

The only part I liked was them having the guys who had lousy experiences with the Kliq air their grievances.

Wish there was more of that.