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Post by Rican on Jun 27, 2016 8:55:25 GMT -5
linkOne of my all-time favorite RAW moments and favorite promo ever. Can't believe its been 5 years. I'm still mad at how bad everything post-MITB went but the buildup was just fantastic.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 9:04:43 GMT -5
That is when I thought WWE was legit going to change imo.
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Post by MAD TITAN on Jun 27, 2016 9:38:05 GMT -5
I had just started to watch the product again after several years away. I was still kind of watching Raw on and off at that time, but I happened to watch this episode and this is what drew me in to start watching every week again.
It reminded me of how unpredictable and fun WWE can be at times. Became a huge fan of Punk after this.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 9:45:38 GMT -5
How the Pipebomb went for me? I opted to skip that episode of Raw, saw all the talk about what was going on in the thread checking see what happened at the end of the show, turned it on, turned it right back off when I saw Punk doing the cross-legged thing writing it off as yet another godawful New Nexus promo, and only wound up actually watching it later that night.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 27, 2016 9:59:14 GMT -5
Failing to truly capitalize on this was such a bonehead move.
If it happened today, I don't doubt that CM Punk would show up with the belt at NXT, Evolve, maybe even ROH, etc.
I knew at least 5 or 6 people who started watching again for a bit because of this angle. CM Punk shirts were the most common shirt I'd see on the street (I'm in Chicago, but still)
No, we bring him back almost immediately and inject Kevin Nash into the mix.
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Post by CeilingFan on Jun 27, 2016 10:04:47 GMT -5
In the long-term nothing changed.
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Jun 27, 2016 10:07:56 GMT -5
I can't believe this happened half a decade ago already. Man does time fly!
To this day it still baffles me how one of the most intriguing storylines in years managed to turn into Triple H vs Kevin Nash in a ladder match.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 10:10:27 GMT -5
In the long-term nothing changed. Honestly... I think it did. I mean, not in terms of some grand upheaval where the politics in WWE died - not even close - but in terms of crowd reactions and what's expected of a top guy I think it marked a pretty dramatic shift in things. The onscreen product hasn't quite been the same since the rise of Punk and people in the aftermath of that like Bryan and the Shield.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 10:13:10 GMT -5
In the long-term nothing changed. Both true........and not so true. Less than 3 years after this, he had walked out on the business. So THAT was a change. -_-
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Jun 27, 2016 10:17:34 GMT -5
I think plenty has changed. Certainly not much in the short-term when Punk was still with the company but the changes were slow and gradual. You look at that promo in 2011 and recall how the product was prior to that and you could never imagine that in 2016 guys like Owens, Zayn, Styles, Joe, Nakamura, Balor, Ambrose, Rollins, etc.. (just to name a very select few) would be dominating the product. A part of me feels that Punk's words to Triple H, whether legit or scripted, got to him. I think his push also woke up a lot of 'casual' fans. Almost every city the WWE travels to are 'smark' cities no matter where they perform nowadays.
As for the muscled up bodybuilder guys from the Johnny-era Punk complained about? Look around, they're non-existent. And for the ones who are still around, they're there in the form of massively talented guys like Rusev and Big E. If Punk never spoke up, guys like Alex Riley and Mojo would probably be main event players at the moment.
Of course there are still many, many issues that haven't changed since then, such as McMahon's dominating the product, over-produced publicity campaigns, and their attempts at creating a new 'guy' to succeed Cena, but the changes are gradual and it's nonsense to say that absolutely nothing has changed whatsoever.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jun 27, 2016 10:47:45 GMT -5
Ahh the angle to start Kevin Nash's retirement angle
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 11:03:49 GMT -5
Ahh the angle to start Kevin Nash's retirement angle He's wrestled since then.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Jun 27, 2016 11:08:04 GMT -5
What a dark time in wrestling history, when that old glory hog CM Punk almost pushed those young, exciting upstarts Triple H and Kevin Nash out of the spotlight! I'm so glad they persevered, and, at the end of the day, gave everyone that breathtaking ladder match everyone was dying to see!
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Post by 魔界5号 on Jun 27, 2016 11:16:20 GMT -5
Amazing promo, but what ensued afterwards was a pretty colossal waste of time. Punk shouldn't have lost the title at all between Money In The Bank and the end of the year. All of those start/stops with him really killed all of the momentum and hype that he built up with one single promo. It really seemed like we were on the verge of a new era with this and that he was about to blast off into the stratosphere. Sadly, the inclusion of Kevin Nash and Triple H, him losing the belt for no good reason and an obvious reluctance to make him "the guy" marred this time period. I prefer to look back on his much better 2012 run as champion, where he had amazing matches with the likes of Chris Jericho and Daniel Bryan.
But, yeah. This was one of the worst cases of a missed opportunity in wrestling history. It's up there with TNA's refusal to really get behind AJ Styles as their main dude.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jun 27, 2016 11:19:34 GMT -5
Ahh the angle to start Kevin Nash's retirement angle He's wrestled since then. So a typical pro wrestling retirement
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Post by sternrogers01 on Jun 27, 2016 11:28:53 GMT -5
2011 was a really good year. Plenty of fresh faces in the title picture like Miz, Punk, Christian, Mark Henry, R-Truth etc, people are too bitter of course and just remember the summer of Punk hijacked by Kevin Nash and Orton crushing Christian. I look at it like the company were still trying to rely on the stale status quoe more as a safety net, and then gradually over the end of the year, they dipped their feet in some new ideas. Very enjoyable time, and I think it helped the business and perception of the business evolve where being a smark is now mainstream and commonplace.
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Post by blackmegaman on Jun 27, 2016 12:33:33 GMT -5
I can't be the only one who that the whole "He should have defended the belt a ROH , PWG , various indies" was just a little too much pie in the sky thinking from internet fans ?
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 27, 2016 12:45:14 GMT -5
I think plenty has changed. Certainly not much in the short-term when Punk was still with the company but the changes were slow and gradual. You look at that promo in 2011 and recall how the product was prior to that and you could never imagine that in 2016 guys like Owens, Zayn, Styles, Joe, Nakamura, Balor, Ambrose, Rollins, etc.. (just to name a very select few) would be dominating the product. A part of me feels that Punk's words to Triple H, whether legit or scripted, got to him. I think his push also woke up a lot of 'casual' fans. Almost every city the WWE travels to are 'smark' cities no matter where they perform nowadays. As for the muscled up bodybuilder guys from the Johnny-era Punk complained about? Look around, they're non-existent. And for the ones who are still around, they're there in the form of massively talented guys like Rusev and Big E. If Punk never spoke up, guys like Alex Riley and Mojo would probably be main event players at the moment. Of course there are still many, many issues that haven't changed since then, such as McMahon's dominating the product, over-produced publicity campaigns, and their attempts at creating a new 'guy' to succeed Cena, but the changes are gradual and it's nonsense to say that absolutely nothing has changed whatsoever. Agreed on the long term change, though sadly the inability/refusal to cash in back in 2011 likely played a big role in the declining numbers the company faces now, so we'll see if it's a matter of too little, too late.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jun 27, 2016 16:26:05 GMT -5
I was actually at that Raw. I couldn't believe that the things that Punk was saying were actually being aired on WWE TV, and quite a few people thought Punk had went off script entirely.
Of course, they ended up taping the next week's Raw immediately afterwards, so instead of leaving the show completely puzzled as to what was going on, it was clear it was a giant work, and the only question was "How soon will Cena be back after his next firing?"
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Post by xCompackx on Jun 27, 2016 16:30:37 GMT -5
When it comes to Summer of Punk, I still have no idea why they didn't turn HHH heel on Punk rather than bringing Kevin Nash in. Like, you still could've done HHH vs. Punk and it wouldn't have led to Punk's alignment confusing people the way it did for a few weeks after SummerSlam. And it's not like HHH was against turning or anything; guy turned heel on Daniel Bryan 2 years later in a similar situation.
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