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Post by chrom on Mar 8, 2023 20:49:28 GMT -5
Had to guess, it'd be Pauline, Diddy Kong, Zelda, Kremling and Toadsworth as the final characters.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 8, 2023 20:53:46 GMT -5
Had to guess, it'd be Pauline, Diddy Kong, Zelda, Kremling and Toadsworth as the final characters. Can't at all see those last three happening. Pauline and Diddy are pretty safe bets but the press release about it said it'd be returning characters plus they barely acknowledge Kremlings and Toadsworth exist these days.
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 8, 2023 20:54:46 GMT -5
Peachette is more likely than Toadsworth.
I wish E. Gadd would make it. And even less likely, Captain Syrup.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 8, 2023 20:55:56 GMT -5
Peachette is more likely than Toadsworth. I wish E. Gadd would make it. And even less likely, Captain Syrup. Hell, so long as we're talking longshots I'd love to put in Ashley.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 8, 2023 21:00:00 GMT -5
Pauline feels like a big one.
I am honestly half-surprised Birdo was a DLC one to begin with, she kind of feels like she ought to be a given, like wasn't she Yoshi's partner in Double Dash?
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Post by BorneAgain on Mar 8, 2023 21:01:54 GMT -5
Given they were in past games and have a model in Tour I'm assuming Diddy, Funky, and Petey Piranha are likely.
Last two are tricky, though I'd say Dixie, Kamek, & Pauline are the favorites.
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 8, 2023 21:02:32 GMT -5
Pauline feels like a big one. I am honestly half-surprised Birdo was a DLC one to begin with, she kind of feels like she ought to be a given, like wasn't she Yoshi's partner in Double Dash? You'd think, but remember that they do make odd decisions for games like this at times. Like how Mario Kart 7 didn't have Waluigi playable, even if Waluigi Pinball was in.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 8, 2023 21:03:24 GMT -5
Pauline feels like a big one. I am honestly half-surprised Birdo was a DLC one to begin with, she kind of feels like she ought to be a given, like wasn't she Yoshi's partner in Double Dash? They seem to have had several years where they completely forgot about Birdo then they suddenly remembered her. She only had one playable appearance between 2012 and 2018 then they brought her back in Mario Tennis and she's had three more since.
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 8, 2023 21:09:27 GMT -5
Wouldn't be surprised if this was one of the characters too:
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Post by Von Wagner's Brownies on Mar 8, 2023 21:22:30 GMT -5
I have one problem with the Yoshi's Island track, that one problem being when you get 10 coins, any other coin you pick up should play the red coin get sound.
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Post by chrom on Mar 8, 2023 23:18:40 GMT -5
SA-X just gives me the creeps
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 8, 2023 23:31:20 GMT -5
New tracks are mostly pretty solid, especially the Yoshi's Island one, though the Tour ones as usual have a lot of really sharp turns and awkward dead-ends that feel really out of place. I think Singapore and Bangkok still manage to be alright but Amsterdam is a chore.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 9, 2023 0:30:39 GMT -5
Wouldn't be surprised if this was one of the characters too: I'm torn in that I'd like to have Wiggler and Honey Queen to complete the MK7 lineup but also like who cares about Honey Queen and why did she get in in the first place?
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 9, 2023 0:41:12 GMT -5
Wouldn't be surprised if this was one of the characters too: I'm torn in that I'd like to have Wiggler and Honey Queen to complete the MK7 lineup but also like who cares about Honey Queen and why did she get in in the first place? I honestly kind of wonder if it's the probable reason they did the Gold Peach: I think they wanted more female characters and more variety in the weight classes of the ones they do have.
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Post by dirtyoldman on Mar 9, 2023 9:02:34 GMT -5
New tracks are mostly pretty solid, especially the Yoshi's Island one, though the Tour ones as usual have a lot of really sharp turns and awkward dead-ends that feel really out of place. I think Singapore and Bangkok still manage to be alright but Amsterdam is a chore. Lots of windmills, canals and tulips. Guess it was a bit much expecting coffee shops and window girls.
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Post by dirtyoldman on Mar 9, 2023 9:04:46 GMT -5
Pauline feels like a big one. I am honestly half-surprised Birdo was a DLC one to begin with, she kind of feels like she ought to be a given, like wasn't she Yoshi's partner in Double Dash? Regarding Birdo, was that not the first (and only) trans character in the Mario universe? I remember Birdo had another name and was a boy but wanted to be a girl called Birdo. Or have I gone mad?
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Mar 9, 2023 9:13:31 GMT -5
Pauline feels like a big one. I am honestly half-surprised Birdo was a DLC one to begin with, she kind of feels like she ought to be a given, like wasn't she Yoshi's partner in Double Dash? Regarding Birdo, was that not the first (and only) trans character in the Mario universe? I remember Birdo had another name and was a boy but wanted to be a girl called Birdo. Or have I gone mad? No, that’s pretty much the gist of it. In the original NES release of SMB 2 Birdo was referred to as a “boy who thinks he’s a girl” and “would prefer called Birdetta” buts it’s been scrubbed from any further appearances and has only been referred to as female. Which is actually pretty progressive on NOA’s part even tho it was done for totally opposite reasons
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 9, 2023 9:29:54 GMT -5
Yeah, Birdo is a trans character, and much like Poison from Final Fight/Street Fighter, was probably intended to be less than flattering initially but has had a lot of that smoothed out over time, and is generally liked by trans fans. Vivian from Paper Mario is another example, though in her case, it was presented sympathetically from the get-go, outside of some unfortunate phrasing and cruel transphobic comments from her (villainous) sisters. That was scrubbed entirely from the English localization, though, where she's presented as presumably cisgender.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Mar 9, 2023 9:40:35 GMT -5
Yeah, Birdo is a trans character, and much like Poison from Final Fight/Street Fighter, was probably intended to be less than flattering initially but has had a lot of that smoothed out over time, and is generally liked by trans fans. Vivian from Paper Mario is another example, though in her case, it was presented sympathetically from the get-go, outside of some unfortunate phrasing and cruel transphobic comments from her (villainous) sisters. That was scrubbed entirely from the English localization, though, where she's presented as presumably cisgender. Wasn’t Poison made a trans character for the American localization of Final Fight so that Cody, Guy and Hagger weren’t just beating the f*** out of a bunch of women?
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 9, 2023 9:55:49 GMT -5
Yeah, Birdo is a trans character, and much like Poison from Final Fight/Street Fighter, was probably intended to be less than flattering initially but has had a lot of that smoothed out over time, and is generally liked by trans fans. Vivian from Paper Mario is another example, though in her case, it was presented sympathetically from the get-go, outside of some unfortunate phrasing and cruel transphobic comments from her (villainous) sisters. That was scrubbed entirely from the English localization, though, where she's presented as presumably cisgender. Wasn’t Poison made a trans character for the American localization of Final Fight so that Cody, Guy and Hagger weren’t just beating the f*** out of a bunch of women? That is what I have heard before, though I think it's been inconsistent as an explanation. I think it's also sort of further complicated by Roxy, the palette swap of Poison, since concept art I think referred to her as a "newhalf" (a Japanese term for trans women which is... kind of a dicey expression to be avoided nowadays) alongside Poison, but I don't think they've ever gotten specific about her like they have with Poison. For their part, Capcom has been inconsistent about it, usually with regards to whether or not she has had bottom surgery, before eventually settling on it being up to fans to decide on how to interpret it as they will, but yeah, she's got a complex history.
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