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Post by Error on Jul 18, 2016 21:43:36 GMT -5
I just hope that the guys who are in the division don't get held down for being cruiserweights. The division could develop a stigma that they can't hang with the top guys. That certainly is not the case. It is inevitable. It happened in WCW, it happened in WWE and right now I dare say it is happening in NJPW. Really with how the average WWE superstar is now under what was the traditional cruiser limit and wrestling that style, it will only get worse as they have the sub-200lbs guys out there doing what the majority of the roster is doing at a bigger size.
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Post by Rave on Jul 18, 2016 21:58:47 GMT -5
I'd be overjoyed if it were on Smackdown, but it's not. It's on a brand run by two people I don't want to see on my TV if I can help it, so thanks but no thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 22:13:12 GMT -5
Agreed. Weight limits don't work, IMO. You can do styles, tags and what not but weight limits always fail. Now that said, they have 3 hours to fill on Mondays so adding something like this makes sense. I'd go with a Hardcore title. WWE could benefit from having a bit of extra craziness once every two or three weeks. Only if they go full DDT and make it like their title. I want a title changes on Vince's bear rug.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 22:25:57 GMT -5
Like someone said this should be something great but the inevitably seeps in.
And will be an intentional glass ceiling for certain guys.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 22:31:45 GMT -5
I'm sure it'll make for an exciting 2 months of television before the division quietly stops existing with a few cruisers becoming jobbers and the others never appearing again.
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Post by Error on Jul 18, 2016 23:01:44 GMT -5
So using the roster on WWE.com for the main roster and NXT, as well as the CWC's 205 weight limit, here are the potential members of this division:
Enzo Amore (200lbs) Kalisto (170lbs) Neville (194lbs) Sami Zayn (205lbs) Sin Cara (198lbs) Xavier Woods (205lbs)
Austin Aries (202lbs) Chad Gable (202lbs) Finn Balor (190lbs) Hideo Itami (182lbs) Johnny Gargano (170lbs) Tommaso Ciampa (195lbs)
Also, holy shit does WWE.com's superstar section suck.
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Post by Big Poppa Pumpkin on Jul 18, 2016 23:09:56 GMT -5
Its shame that its on Raw
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 18, 2016 23:21:21 GMT -5
So using the roster on WWE.com for the main roster and NXT, as well as the CWC's 205 weight limit, here are the potential members of this division: Enzo Amore (200lbs) Kalisto (170lbs) Neville (194lbs) Sami Zayn (205lbs) Sin Cara (198lbs) Xavier Woods (205lbs) Austin Aries (202lbs) Chad Gable (202lbs) Finn Balor (190lbs) Hideo Itami (182lbs) Johnny Gargano (170lbs) Tommaso Ciampa (195lbs) Also, holy shit does WWE.com's superstar section suck. I could see them extended it back to the traditional 225; I don't know how much that would widen the net, but that's a startlingly thin division and it would be kind of dire, given Gable, Enzo, and Xavier are tied up in tag teams and there's no way they'd call up all of the NXT guys to bolster it.
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Jul 18, 2016 23:28:19 GMT -5
So using the roster on WWE.com for the main roster and NXT, as well as the CWC's 205 weight limit, here are the potential members of this division: Enzo Amore (200lbs) Kalisto (170lbs) Neville (194lbs) Sami Zayn (205lbs) Sin Cara (198lbs) Xavier Woods (205lbs) Austin Aries (202lbs) Chad Gable (202lbs) Finn Balor (190lbs) Hideo Itami (182lbs) Johnny Gargano (170lbs) Tommaso Ciampa (195lbs) Also, holy shit does WWE.com's superstar section suck. I agree with all the previous gripes listed in this thread and looking at this list of names makes me groan a bit. Finn Balor doesn't need to be in some mismanaged Cruiserweight division. He was the face of NXT beating guys like Joe and KO and there was nothing unbelievable about it. Same with Neville. Chad Gable could be the WWE Champion if handled properly. There would be nothing odd about Hideo holding the IC title for 8 months. So on and so forth. I like the CWC and it's very enjoyable but it's a sperate entity from the rest of the WWE and I thought the whole point of the CWC was to tell us 'hey these guys are awesome, watch them come to the WWE and kick some ass' and not for someone to win the CWC and end up winning a glass ceiling title. I know...wait and see or whatever, but man I am not optimistic.
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Jul 18, 2016 23:31:41 GMT -5
So using the roster on WWE.com for the main roster and NXT, as well as the CWC's 205 weight limit, here are the potential members of this division: Enzo Amore (200lbs) Kalisto (170lbs) Neville (194lbs) Sami Zayn (205lbs) Sin Cara (198lbs) Xavier Woods (205lbs) Austin Aries (202lbs) Chad Gable (202lbs) Finn Balor (190lbs) Hideo Itami (182lbs) Johnny Gargano (170lbs) Tommaso Ciampa (195lbs) Also, holy shit does WWE.com's superstar section suck. I could see them extended it back to the traditional 225; I don't know how much that would widen the net, but that's a startlingly thin division and it would be kind of dire, given Gable, Enzo, and Xavier are tied up in tag teams and there's no way they'd call up all of the NXT guys to bolster it. That's another thing, probably over half of the roster today would have been in the cruiserweight division 10 years ago...but they're not. They're fighting against the general roster in believable matches. I thought the WWE evolved beyond this obsession with weight.
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Post by Error on Jul 18, 2016 23:34:24 GMT -5
There is this from PWInsider:
WWE CRUISERWEIGHTS UPDATE by Mike Johnson @ 12:15 AM on 7/19/2016
During Monday Night Raw, it was announced that The Cruiserweight Division will officially return, exclusively, to Raw after the brand split.
WWE revived the Cruiserweight division with the currently airing Cruiserweight Classic tournament on the WWE Network. There had been discussions dating all the way back to 2011 about the company trying to revive the division, which was shuttered in 2008 with Hornswoggle as the final champion.
WWE brought 32 Cruiserweights, most of whom are not currently signed to the company, in for the CWC with Triple H promising two weeks ago during the Bracketology special on the WWE Network that the CWC was not a "once and done." With the ongoing tournament, it would appear that the 9/4 live special on the Network will be crowning the first "new" Cruiserweight champion.
In speaking to a WWE source after Raw, we are told that WWE has not yet signed any new talents officially for the division but you can expect to hear that talents currently working the CWC will be offered full-time deals of some sort, given they can pass the WWE medical testing prior to signing. WWE has a number of the CWC talents in mind for those slots.
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Post by corndog on Jul 18, 2016 23:38:29 GMT -5
The problem with the WWE Cruiserweight division in the past was that it just felt like every other match you see on a card, just performed by people under 200 pounds. No real high flying or high octane stuff, just standard wrestling. I've not seen anything of the Cruiserweight thing on NXT to see how they are doing it, but if they are bringing it back on Raw, they have to make them different to the other matches on the show. The CWC seems to be that way. Also, that is what made the WCW Cruiserweight division so good. You had a lot of lucha libre wrestlers mixed in with other techniques, many of them mixed styles between US, Canada, Mexico and Japan. It was completely different than anything on the roster and it went over very well. The problem, Vince has never been able to successfully book a Light Heavyweight/Cruiserweight division.
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Post by corndog on Jul 18, 2016 23:39:31 GMT -5
There is this from PWInsider: WWE CRUISERWEIGHTS UPDATE by Mike Johnson @ 12:15 AM on 7/19/2016 During Monday Night Raw, it was announced that The Cruiserweight Division will officially return, exclusively, to Raw after the brand split. WWE revived the Cruiserweight division with the currently airing Cruiserweight Classic tournament on the WWE Network. There had been discussions dating all the way back to 2011 about the company trying to revive the division, which was shuttered in 2008 with Hornswoggle as the final champion. WWE brought 32 Cruiserweights, most of whom are not currently signed to the company, in for the CWC with Triple H promising two weeks ago during the Bracketology special on the WWE Network that the CWC was not a "once and done." With the ongoing tournament, it would appear that the 9/4 live special on the Network will be crowning the first "new" Cruiserweight champion. In speaking to a WWE source after Raw, we are told that WWE has not yet signed any new talents officially for the division but you can expect to hear that talents currently working the CWC will be offered full-time deals of some sort, given they can pass the WWE medical testing prior to signing. WWE has a number of the CWC talents in mind for those slots. Now it makes me wonder if the winner of CWC is crowned as the WWE Cruiserweight Champion?
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Jul 18, 2016 23:42:00 GMT -5
Ugh, I feel like I'm in 2005 again
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Post by Racksman on Jul 18, 2016 23:43:39 GMT -5
It'll never happen, I'd like to see Smackdown get a TV Title division then. I mean it's 2016, and for the first time in a long time, literally anything is possible in the world of professional wrestling -- still a long shot. Love a TV Title idea especially when it's followed by a certain set of rules. Could really help a rising heel.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 18, 2016 23:45:37 GMT -5
So using the roster on WWE.com for the main roster and NXT, as well as the CWC's 205 weight limit, here are the potential members of this division: Enzo Amore (200lbs) Kalisto (170lbs) Neville (194lbs) Sami Zayn (205lbs) Sin Cara (198lbs) Xavier Woods (205lbs) Austin Aries (202lbs) Chad Gable (202lbs) Finn Balor (190lbs) Hideo Itami (182lbs) Johnny Gargano (170lbs) Tommaso Ciampa (195lbs) Also, holy shit does WWE.com's superstar section suck. I agree with all the previous gripes listed in this thread and looking at this list of names makes me groan a bit. Finn Balor doesn't need to be in some mismanaged Cruiserweight division. He was the face of NXT beating guys like Joe and KO and there was nothing unbelievable about it. Same with Neville. Chad Gable could be the WWE Champion if handled properly. There would be nothing odd about Hideo holding the IC title for 8 months. So on and so forth. I like the CWC and it's very enjoyable but it's a sperate entity from the rest of the WWE and I thought the whole point of the CWC was to tell us 'hey these guys are awesome, watch them come to the WWE and kick some ass' and not for someone to win the CWC and end up winning a glass ceiling title. I know...wait and see or whatever, but man I am not optimistic. I don't think Finn Balor would be placed in such a division since the WWE machine seems to be clearly behind him, but Neville seems like someone who might need it, otherwise he'd get stuck as a JTTS. How many of the guys in the CWC can you legitimately see being a world or IC/US Champion? The only ones I could see getting there are ZSJ, Gargano, Ciampa, Ibushi and maaaaaaaybe Cedric.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jul 18, 2016 23:47:33 GMT -5
hey, you know who would never boo Roman Reigns? people who like cruiserweight wrestling.
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Post by Hanzo on Jul 19, 2016 0:02:29 GMT -5
"Who are these people wearing masks?! They need to go back to Japan, bro!" </vince russo>
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Post by -Lithium- on Jul 19, 2016 0:15:56 GMT -5
Heres what happens. There will be one Crusierweight Title match in the first hour that will last about 10 minutes. Nothing of substance will ever come of the division but the announcers will tell us every week how amazing it is and how its only on Monday nights. A couple months down the line they'll be losing to shitty hosses and whoever senile Vince decides to get behind that couple of weeks.
It's so typical WWE too. There's this new exciting thing that was a success outside of the brand, that RAW could never have the competence or patience to build on its on, and the big red goblin just gobbles it up and does nothing with it. Like every year in the drafts when they'd raid the SD and ECW roster, do jack shit with those guys they took, and then hand SD and ECW all the guys they ruined to be built back up again, just so they could take them back a year or two. Ugh. f*** off.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Jul 19, 2016 0:26:57 GMT -5
I would have an issue with it in previous eras because they showed how terrible they treated their cruiserweights: losing to taller opponents, not treated with respect; but its a different time, a different era, an era where smaller people are treated better and respected for their ability...
... then again, look at how Corbin treated Kalisto tonight.
I don't know what to expect. But I'm expecting better treatment, more time, better matches than in previous time periods.
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