Hanzo
Dennis Stamp
"You want Cena to go to ECW?!"
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Post by Hanzo on Jul 19, 2016 0:29:21 GMT -5
High Flyers of the highest magnitude!
These guys are serious professionals.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Jul 19, 2016 3:26:24 GMT -5
They put the Lightweight title on Gillberg and forgot about it for over a year.
The last Cruiserweight champion was Hornswoggle.
Yes, history has taught me to take this news with an incredible lot of fear
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 19, 2016 3:29:03 GMT -5
Confused, yet interested would just about be my summation.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Jul 19, 2016 3:36:29 GMT -5
I will only accept THE Brian Kendrick as my cruiserweight champion.
I want him to have a successful run now that he has his head screwed on straight.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Jul 19, 2016 4:31:07 GMT -5
Pretty sure we will see Tajiri and Kendrick on RAW soon, hopefully other CWC guys as well
Lets wait and see before dooming everything
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Post by Yacht Persona on Jul 19, 2016 4:36:20 GMT -5
Yeah, it's far better to put a heavyweight belt on someone like Kalisto and then have a 'real' contender like Rusev squash him and show us all what's what.
For crying out loud, at least it means lighter wrestlers won't be treated like complete losers. I for one am excited to see where it goes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 4:37:44 GMT -5
Yeah, it's far better to put a heavyweight belt on someone like Kalisto and then have a 'real' contender like Rusev squash him and show us all what's what. For crying out loud, at least it means lighter wrestlers won't be treated like complete losers. I for one am excited to see where it goes. Yeah, it sure is treating someone like a winner to have them stop going for belts anyone can challenge for and focus exclusively on ones with nowhere near the amount of competition. And two lighter guys absolutely can't wrestle unless there's a belt for them and only them, just like how Big Show can't fight any of the other seven foot guys because there isn't a division for it. Plus we've seen how WWE does the Cruiserweight thing, soon as they decide they want to try the Braun push again he'll be out there killing the whole division just like they did all the time with Khali.
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Post by Yacht Persona on Jul 19, 2016 4:48:50 GMT -5
Yeah, it's far better to put a heavyweight belt on someone like Kalisto and then have a 'real' contender like Rusev squash him and show us all what's what. For crying out loud, at least it means lighter wrestlers won't be treated like complete losers. I for one am excited to see where it goes. Yeah, it sure is treating someone like a winner to have them stop going for belts anyone can challenge for and focus exclusively on ones with nowhere near the amount of competition. And two lighter guys absolutely can't wrestle unless there's a belt for them and only them, just like how Big Show can't fight any of the other seven foot guys because there isn't a division for it. Plus we've seen how WWE does the Cruiserweight thing, soon as they decide they want to try the Braun push again he'll be out there killing the whole division just like they did all the time with Khali. So, you're saying it's better to just let the lighter guys get squashed anyway because of the inevitability of it? Because, trust me, Braun crushing smaller wrestlers will happen regardless of there being a Cruiserweight division. A Cruiserweight division doesn't open up that opportunity--it's already there. The fact that the Cruiserweight division was mishandled before doesn't discount how guys like Mysterio, Bryan, and Kalisto have been treated in the past when given belts anyone can compete for. The fact is that very, very rarely does the WWE ever take the role of a lighter champion seriously and it often involves special circumstances. Is it better for someone like Kalisto to just neander around and compete against larger wrestlers he will eventually be defeated by, or would he be better served in a division where he's potentially treated like a top dog? I would argue for the latter, but I agree that it needs to be handled correctly for that to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 4:52:13 GMT -5
Yeah, it sure is treating someone like a winner to have them stop going for belts anyone can challenge for and focus exclusively on ones with nowhere near the amount of competition. And two lighter guys absolutely can't wrestle unless there's a belt for them and only them, just like how Big Show can't fight any of the other seven foot guys because there isn't a division for it. Plus we've seen how WWE does the Cruiserweight thing, soon as they decide they want to try the Braun push again he'll be out there killing the whole division just like they did all the time with Khali. So, you're saying it's better to just let the lighter guys get squashed anyway because of the inevitability of it? Because, trust me, Braun crushing smaller wrestlers will happen regardless of there being a Cruiserweight division. A Cruiserweight division doesn't open up that opportunity--it's already there. The fact that the Cruiserweight division was mishandled before doesn't discount how guys like Mysterio, Bryan, and Kalisto have been treated in the past when given belts anyone can compete for. The fact is that very, very rarely does the WWE ever take the role of a lighter champion seriously and it often involves special circumstances. Is it better for someone like Kalisto to just neander around and compete against larger wrestlers he will eventually be defeated by, or would he be better served in a division where he's potentially treated like a top dog. I would argue for the latter, but I agree that it needs to be handled correctly for that to happen. I mean, ideally the smaller guys would be treated as threats (though personally I think Kalisto's awful), but even if they're mostly losing to people, I'd rather they not be shunted off to their own little subsection of the roster because, one, there's more variety to be had in facing other people even if they're losing to them as opposed to an inevitably insular Cruiserweight division, and two, at least mixing it up with the Sheamuses of the world is at least stepping up and being part of the thick of things as opposed to running off to a belt the bigger guys can't compete for feels like the more respectable and easy to take seriously option for me. But different strokes I guess. Either way on the whole I think weight classes in wrestling are just a bad idea I want no part of at all but if it works for you, that's your right.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 19, 2016 5:38:22 GMT -5
I'm a fan of cruiserweight action so there is optimism in hearing it's making a comeback. Yeah, it's on Raw but with 3 hours to fill; they would get time outside of the syndicated shows to display their talents. Don't know why people assume that making it a Smackdown exclusive means that Vince won't touch it. He may not be hawking creative on Tuesday like he does on Mondays but he still is watching from afar.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 19, 2016 6:00:11 GMT -5
I mean, ideally the smaller guys would be treated as threats (though personally I think Kalisto's awful), but even if they're mostly losing to people, I'd rather they not be shunted off to their own little subsection of the roster because, one, there's more variety to be had in facing other people even if they're losing to them as opposed to an inevitably insular Cruiserweight division, and two, at least mixing it up with the Sheamuses of the world is at least stepping up and being part of the thick of things as opposed to running off to a belt the bigger guys can't compete for feels like the more respectable and easy to take seriously option for me. But different strokes I guess. Either way on the whole I think weight classes in wrestling are just a bad idea I want no part of at all but if it works for you, that's your right. In WCW, most guys weren't consigned to the Cruiserweight division like it was a ghetto, you had guys like Jericho, Malenko, Disco Inferno, Syxx, Rey Misterio Jr, Alex Wright and so on and so forth who would slot in and out when needed, heck even Scotty Flamingo/Raven held it in the early 90s. The cruiserweight title wasn't something that prevented upward mobility for smaller guys in WCW, Hulk Hogan's guaranteed main event slot prevented pretty much everyone climbing the card and while the WWF/E's CW division did have upward mobilty issues, that's more down to Vince's attitude toward smaller guys in general. A CW division should be a showcase for talent who can do extraordinary things out there, have colourful guys go out there and wow the crowd, doing things heavyweights can't and will do more to help them get a foothold than slogging for years as a guy who tries and fails against bigger guys then ends up as the flash guy in a tag team no-one cares about, like Evan Bourne or Kallisto. There's nothing to say people can't outgrow it and move up the card, the biggest challenge they and the Cruiserweight division face is the abject lack of upward mobility in WWE booking as a whole rather than the core concept of weight limits.
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Post by Raskovnik on Jul 19, 2016 6:10:06 GMT -5
Let the little dudes at it, it's no skin off my back. I'm fine with weight classes anyways. The biggest caveat is the one that always looms overhead when it comes to WWE, and that's if they don't book it like absolute shit, it could be awesome and create some bona fide draws for them. It's not like people only give a shit about heavyweights in the UFC, right?
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Ben Wyatt
Crow T. Robot
Are You Gonna Go My Way?
I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 19, 2016 6:12:13 GMT -5
*crosses fingers* please let Kendrick come back full time....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 6:18:30 GMT -5
Let the little dudes at it, it's no skin off my back. I'm fine with weight classes anyways. The biggest caveat is the one that always looms overhead when it comes to WWE, and that's if they don't book it like absolute shit, it could be awesome and create some bona fide draws for them. It's not like people only give a shit about heavyweights in the UFC, right? Well, yeah, because that's legitimate fighting and would be completely unbalanced if everyone fought everyone, and by extension every title has value because a guy can't really go, "I'm done hanging out in the Welterweight division, I want the Heavyweight belt!". Wrestling doesn't have that restriction so just having one thing locked off to the bulk of the roster just makes it look like a consolation price for people who can't get the job done elsewhere.
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Steveweiser
Dalek
Mickie Mickie You're So Fine... Hey Mickie!
THE GRAPS
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Post by Steveweiser on Jul 19, 2016 7:01:54 GMT -5
Pure and simple, they'll get more time on RAW, with only 90 minutes or so after ads available on SmackDown, so I'm OK with this. Regular matches with the likes of Ibushi, Metalik, Cedric, ZSJ, Gargano... I'm looking forward to this!
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Talent Name
Ozymandius
Got fined anyway. Possibly a Moose
James Franco is the white Donald Glover
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Post by Talent Name on Jul 19, 2016 7:38:24 GMT -5
Maybe we can have Baron Corbin versus the Cruiser Weights
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Post by blake6905 on Jul 19, 2016 10:32:45 GMT -5
I wish hour 2 of raw was nothing but cruiser weights (with backstage shit in between matches)
That way 1st hour you get your 20 minute opening promo, followed by mid card matches and promos...
Last hour is main event matches/promos
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Sephiroth
Wade Wilson
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 19, 2016 10:40:52 GMT -5
Suddenly the NXT cruiserweight tournament takes on a new dimension
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Dragonfly
Unicron
...is no Barry Windham.
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Post by Dragonfly on Jul 19, 2016 10:41:58 GMT -5
Maybe we can have Baron Corbin versus the Cruiser Weights That could work, actually. All they would have to do is rip off the "Kevin Nash vs. the X Division" story from TNA. Corbin would make an excellent Nash.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 19, 2016 11:29:25 GMT -5
Maybe we can have Baron Corbin versus the Cruiser Weights That could work, actually. All they would have to do is rip off the "Kevin Nash vs. the X Division" story from TNA. Corbin would make an excellent Nash. Only if it leads to WWE's version of the PCS.
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