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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 25, 2016 14:21:29 GMT -5
Or all the Bullshit DC was pulling about not wanting a Wonder Woman movie because it was "too confusing" and suddenly announced it in 2015 after Marvel announced Captain Marvel months earlier. Yet Diana is the one getting the movie first, and they didn't push her movie back to make room for another movie about a white boy (Spider-Man Homecoming) and good on them. But that doesn't change that they dragged their feet for years about making one for bullshit reasons. and really if for some reason someone else had the film rights to Batman and DC got the rights back they would have fast tracked the movie and bumped Wonder Woman as well. (yes Spider-man is basically that important to the Marvel Universe) But this really isn't the thread to go into this, let's keep this on topic about the Justice League movie.
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Post by Mackenzie Gorn on Jul 25, 2016 14:22:14 GMT -5
Funny how an order of mystical Japanese ninjas in the comics are portrayed as an order of mystical Japanese ninjas in the MCU adaptation, isn't it? It just becomes problematic when they're literally the only Japanese people we see in the series and have no characterization beyond faceless mongrel hordes who are eventually killed by the White Man and his mighty Gunrection. Every superhero thread. There is always one guy who makes everything about race.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jul 25, 2016 14:32:00 GMT -5
Or all the Bullshit DC was pulling about not wanting a Wonder Woman movie because it was "too confusing" and suddenly announced it in 2015 after Marvel announced Captain Marvel months earlier. Yet Diana is the one getting the movie first, and they didn't push her movie back to make room for another movie about a white boy (Spider-Man Homecoming) Spidey is one of the 3 biggest superheroes (Batman and Superman are the other 2), he's Marvel's top character, and this is the first Spidey Marvel movie. Of course Marvel's going to get that movie out before some others.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 25, 2016 14:33:27 GMT -5
Funny how an order of mystical Japanese ninjas in the comics are portrayed as an order of mystical Japanese ninjas in the MCU adaptation, isn't it? It just becomes problematic when they're literally the only Japanese people we see in the series and have no characterization beyond faceless mongrel hordes who are eventually killed by the White Man and his mighty Gunrection. Why would we expect to see more traditional portrayals of Japanese people and culture in a story set in a run-down area of New York? Equally, you get plenty of faceless hordes in the Irish, biker, and prison gangs whose only purpose is to soak up bullets and/or get stabbed. If we're pushing for more characterisation of the Hand's foot soldiers purely based on the fact that they're Japanese then we're drifting into tokenism.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 14:51:28 GMT -5
Yeah, calling Spider-Man "some white boy" is not condescending at all.
Like it or not, you know why he's a priority? Even taking the "Amazing" movies in to account, the average box office gross for Spider-Man movies is $315,741,420.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jul 27, 2016 0:58:57 GMT -5
I'm getting damn tired of this emphasis on "humor." I'm fairly certain it is possible to enjoy a movie that isn't filled with jokes. It's not even about being 'funny', it's about being 'fun', which is something that was sorely lacking in the last two DC movies. They've been on their Dark & Gritty kick ever since The Dark Knight Trilogy and it hasn't won them many favors from audiences. Now, nobody's saying that their next three movies have to be joke after quip after sarcastic comment after joke like The Avengers was, but the fact that they're letting their characters more closely resemble the ones that they're supposed to be instead of trying to make everyone be Batman is a huge improvement overall. Just because something is perceived as "dark and gritty" doesn't automatically mean it isn't fun. I can have "fun" as it were watching any of the Batman movies as well as Man of Steel and Dawn of Justice. And I can have fun watching Marvel's movies as well. It's not all about how serious a movie is to me.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jul 27, 2016 1:15:54 GMT -5
Wonder Woman Movie- 2017 Captain Marvel Movie- 2019? Maybe? Unless we have another white boy to push the title back some more. Justice League- A Hawaiian, a woman, a black man, a Jewish man (the Flash's actor, at least). Avengers- Buncha white dudes and two chicks. Aquaman- Changed from blonde-haired blue-eyed ubermensch to the aforementioned Hawaiian. Marvel- Made the Ancient One a white woman and characterized Japanese people as a nation of Ninjas in Daredevil. Suicide Squad- Two black dudes, a Hispanic man, a Japanese woman, two other women (one of whom is the major focus of the movie, it feels like), and a Canadian. Also, older black woman. DC also has more diverse directors. you are also leaving out Black Panther, the Guardians of the Galaxy, and Ant-man & Wasp. (pretty much all guaranteed to be int the next Avengers movie) turning Elektra from a Greek white woman to a Cambodian, Baron Mordo, Heimdall and Valkyrie black, and other changes to supporting characters I can't think of off the top of my head. IF you're going to compare then compare don't try to lie by omission making it seem more lopsided than it is. SHIELD turned a white woman superhero into a mixed Asian character (who herself is one of the mains), a white man into a black character (also one of the mains), and will feature the Latino-American Ghost Rider this coming season.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 27, 2016 1:59:41 GMT -5
you are also leaving out Black Panther, the Guardians of the Galaxy, and Ant-man & Wasp. (pretty much all guaranteed to be int the next Avengers movie) turning Elektra from a Greek white woman to a Cambodian, Baron Mordo, Heimdall and Valkyrie black, and other changes to supporting characters I can't think of off the top of my head. IF you're going to compare then compare don't try to lie by omission making it seem more lopsided than it is. SHIELD turned a white woman superhero into a mixed Asian character (who herself is one of the mains), a white man into a black character (also one of the mains), and will feature the Latino-American Ghost Rider this coming season. And features an ethnically Chinese character in a lead role too. Also let us not forget Nick Fury, a white character for almost 50 years before being made into a black character in both print and live-action. Yes, there's not an abundance of diversity when it comes to the title roles just yet, but the MCU as a whole is pretty diverse. It's certainly not the "white dudes only" club people like to make it out to be.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Jul 27, 2016 5:27:23 GMT -5
It's not even about being 'funny', it's about being 'fun', which is something that was sorely lacking in the last two DC movies. They've been on their Dark & Gritty kick ever since The Dark Knight Trilogy and it hasn't won them many favors from audiences. Now, nobody's saying that their next three movies have to be joke after quip after sarcastic comment after joke like The Avengers was, but the fact that they're letting their characters more closely resemble the ones that they're supposed to be instead of trying to make everyone be Batman is a huge improvement overall. Just because something is perceived as "dark and gritty" doesn't automatically mean it isn't fun. I can have "fun" as it were watching any of the Batman movies as well as Man of Steel and Dawn of Justice. And I can have fun watching Marvel's movies as well. It's not all about how serious a movie is to me. I think Man of Steel gets underlooked for it's fun factor...it does'nt feel half as gloomy as most Batman movies, even with the Jonathan Kent, Metropolis blitz and Snap! scenes. I thought the Superman/Zod clash was far better than anything in both Avengers movies for instance.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jul 27, 2016 10:00:13 GMT -5
I'm actually somewhat underwhelmed by the trailer. For one, it looks and sounds like an Expendables movie. In addition, there's no sense of scope, of the epicness of Justice League coming together and being formed.
It basically looks like a middle aged guy going around the same one warehouse asking people if they want to cosplay with him.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jul 27, 2016 10:46:05 GMT -5
Really? This has become an #(AnnoyingHashtag) thread? Am I in YouTube comments? Zack Snyder getting hired is all Obama/Trump/whoever's fault, yeah!!!!
Seriously... Yeah let's get on track before this of all things gets locked.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jul 27, 2016 10:47:21 GMT -5
Just because something is perceived as "dark and gritty" doesn't automatically mean it isn't fun. I can have "fun" as it were watching any of the Batman movies as well as Man of Steel and Dawn of Justice. And I can have fun watching Marvel's movies as well. It's not all about how serious a movie is to me. I think Man of Steel gets underlooked for it's fun factor...it does'nt feel half as gloomy as most Batman movies, even with the Jonathan Kent, Metropolis blitz and Snap! scenes. I thought the Superman/Zod clash was far better than anything in both Avengers movies for instance. Yeah it would be a good action scene if not for the A) 9/11 imagery and B) the problem was, it's not what Superman would allow to happen, as many have said. Tell me...what did you find fun about MOS? Not-Carol Ferris saying "He's hot"?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 10:53:40 GMT -5
I think Man of Steel gets underlooked for it's fun factor...it does'nt feel half as gloomy as most Batman movies, even with the Jonathan Kent, Metropolis blitz and Snap! scenes. I thought the Superman/Zod clash was far better than anything in both Avengers movies for instance. Yeah it would be a good action scene if not for the A) 9/11 imagery and B) the problem was, it's not what Superman would allow to happen, as many have said. Tell me...what did you find fun about MOS? Not-Carol Ferris saying "He's hot"? I think MoS was pretty dull, but a great set up for BvS. I don't buy into the whole, "that's not what superman would do" stuff though. BvS explained that Supes actions had consequences with society's/Batman's reaction to him and he attempted to learn from those mistakes by changing his fighting style with DD. I liked it personally, in context of BvS & JL. It showed potential for growth as opposed to Supes already rolling into the film as the perfect hero. By the end of BvS, I felt that the stuff in MoS was justified. But as a standalone film MoS was definitely wonky as f***.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 11:36:50 GMT -5
It just becomes problematic when they're literally the only Japanese people we see in the series and have no characterization beyond faceless mongrel hordes who are eventually killed by the White Man and his mighty Gunrection. Every superhero thread. There is always one guy who makes everything about race. Well, I mean...superhero movies in general do have quite a few problems. Hell, I'd be the one to point it out too as I have a lot in the past but what's the point of spending what little free time I have getting in the same arguments with the same people who minimize the issue or who flat out don't want to admit to there even being a problem? Despite what my avatar may have some think, I'm Johnny DC all the way, so a small part of me looks forward to a Justice League movie in theory. In practice though? Ugh. I don't see "wonder" when I look at Gal Godot as Wonder Woman. I say that casting is almost on par with casting Halle Berry as Storm, but even back in the day that casting at least made a certain amount of sense as Halle Berry was the most famous Black woman in Hollywood at the time. So Godot getting the nod doesn't even have that reasoning going for it. Just mediocre as hell with the best thing I can say about her Wonder Woman is that at least it doesn't make me want to throw things at the screen. With that said, the rest of the casting doesn't look bad. I do hope Jason Momoa can at least bring some presence to his role because I really want to like Aquaman. As far as Cyborg goes, I was never really a fan but since this is Johns I'm not surprised he's on the roster. I hope he does more here than he generally does in the comics when he's Justice League, but judging from what little we see I'm not getting my hopes up. As for the roster in general? I can't say I'm excited to see them other than Aquaman. Then again if it were me I'd have thrown in a Not-Hal-Jordan Green Lantern (Stewart, Cruz, or Baz) and would've added Vixen so we at least have other characters we've never seen on screen that's more interesting than Cyborg nor do we have to worry about Momoa's acting chops...but any time I recommend they add Vixen to anything Justice League, people stare at me blankly. I'll probably end up seeing this movie out of obligation.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Jul 27, 2016 12:59:57 GMT -5
I think Man of Steel gets underlooked for it's fun factor...it does'nt feel half as gloomy as most Batman movies, even with the Jonathan Kent, Metropolis blitz and Snap! scenes. I thought the Superman/Zod clash was far better than anything in both Avengers movies for instance. Yeah it would be a good action scene if not for the A) 9/11 imagery and B) the problem was, it's not what Superman would allow to happen, as many have said. Tell me...what did you find fun about MOS? Not-Carol Ferris saying "He's hot"? Well, that and the delivery of "I know you want to know where I hang my cape" I liked Lois and Perry's back-and-forth on running the story also, some of Lois' sass in the arctic ("we done measuring dicks here?"), yeah it was a serious movie for the most part, but little moments of human levity like that elevated it more than anything in BVS, where the humor felt more like comedy by commity.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jul 27, 2016 13:14:47 GMT -5
I think Man of Steel gets underlooked for it's fun factor...it does'nt feel half as gloomy as most Batman movies, even with the Jonathan Kent, Metropolis blitz and Snap! scenes. I thought the Superman/Zod clash was far better than anything in both Avengers movies for instance. Yeah it would be a good action scene if not for the A) 9/11 imagery and B) the problem was, it's not what Superman would allow to happen, as many have said. Tell me...what did you find fun about MOS? Not-Carol Ferris saying "He's hot"? What exactly is the 9/11 imagery? And what wouldn't Superman have allowed specifically, that widespread destruction of Metropolis?
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Post by James Fabiano on Jul 27, 2016 13:21:30 GMT -5
Yeah it would be a good action scene if not for the A) 9/11 imagery and B) the problem was, it's not what Superman would allow to happen, as many have said. Tell me...what did you find fun about MOS? Not-Carol Ferris saying "He's hot"? What exactly is the 9/11 imagery? And what wouldn't Superman have allowed specifically, that widespread destruction of Metropolis? The way the buildings were levelled looked more like it than other special effects in other movies.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jul 27, 2016 14:33:43 GMT -5
What exactly is the 9/11 imagery? And what wouldn't Superman have allowed specifically, that widespread destruction of Metropolis? The way the buildings were levelled looked more like it than other special effects in other movies. Hm, I've never seen any, or thought there were any similarities or parallels to 9/11. As to B, if you were referring to the widespread destruction of Metropolis, I viewed that as unavoidable. You have two god like creatures in a fight to the death, I would guess that is what it would look like. If nothing else, it was better than the in retrospect underwhelming Superman II fight, where the only damage was to a billboard and a Marlboro truck.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jul 27, 2016 14:48:24 GMT -5
I'm amazed that the biggest Marvel marks I know on Facebook are filled with glee with the latest trailer, just cause of the jokes. I'm all for lightening up the tone but yikes man talk about pandering to the smallest, stupidest commodity.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Jul 27, 2016 14:51:34 GMT -5
I'm actually somewhat underwhelmed by the trailer. For one, it looks and sounds like an Expendables movie. In addition, there's no sense of scope, of the epicness of Justice League coming together and being formed. It basically looks like a middle aged guy going around the same one warehouse asking people if they want to cosplay with him. It's not really a trailer. The movie just started filming lol.
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