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Post by chazraps on Jul 26, 2016 20:12:32 GMT -5
Wait, so are all of you seriously down on Delirious' entire run as ROH booker?
Let's say from Flyin' High in Spring 2014 (truly the first purely Delirious-only vision of the product) to now, none of that appealed to you? Did you prefer Cornette's run preceding that?
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Post by sonofsharknado on Jul 26, 2016 20:21:17 GMT -5
Decrease the New Japan presence. It's no longer special having them around if they're on just about every show. Kill the Corino/Whitmer storyline with fire and distribute the brain bleach so that we forget all about it. There's no reason that schlock should still be going. Fire Kevin Kelly. Clean out the roster! There are quite a few folks who've served their purpose (like Silas Young and Whitmer) or are being shoehorned into everything to justify their contract (ADAM COLE!). Cycle these folks out and cycle in fresh talent. Stop with the Briscoes. They're relics of a bygone era. Cycle them out for a good long while, if not for good. Ditch NESN and find an affiliate for non-Sinclair areas that will air the TV show every week and won't pre-empt it for crap like car shows and golf course tours. Much as it sucks, the Briscoes aren't going anywhere. Sinclair loves them, and they're basically two of the only people who are over in the entire company.
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Post by Starshine on Jul 26, 2016 20:54:32 GMT -5
Wait, so are all of you seriously down on Delirious' entire run as ROH booker? Let's say from Flyin' High in Spring 2014 (truly the first purely Delirious-only vision of the product) to now, none of that appealed to you? Did you prefer Cornette's run preceding that? Why was Flying High the first pure Delirious show? Wasn't Cornette gone by the end of 2012?
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Post by chazraps on Jul 26, 2016 22:12:13 GMT -5
Wait, so are all of you seriously down on Delirious' entire run as ROH booker? Let's say from Flyin' High in Spring 2014 (truly the first purely Delirious-only vision of the product) to now, none of that appealed to you? Did you prefer Cornette's run preceding that? Why was Flying High the first pure Delirious show? Wasn't Cornette gone by the end of 2012? Cornette was off-screen at the end of 2012. By all accounts from the parties involved, he wrote through the mid-point of 2013 around the end of the Scum angle/world title tournament. The second half of the year going into Final Battle was Delirious wrapping up all Cornette's loose ends so it wouldn't be some abrupt shift/reboot. That transition culmknates at Final Battle 2013, and Flyin High is the point a purely booked Delirious ROH landscape was in full swing.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 26, 2016 22:43:38 GMT -5
For the record, I don't think ROH's struggles are all on Delirious. I personally have a theory that there are those higher up than Delirious that truly believe the New Japan relationship is going to take ROH to the next level and they're telling Delirious to do whatever needs to be done to keep New Japan happy. I mean the only guys in ROH not meant to look like complete goobers recently are guys New Japan either has been booking or wants to book. To me it's a bit alarming how many acts have lost steam in ROH in the last 2 years.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 27, 2016 0:57:00 GMT -5
For the record, I don't think ROH's struggles are all on Delirious. I personally have a theory that there are those higher up than Delirious that truly believe the New Japan relationship is going to take ROH to the next level and they're telling Delirious to do whatever needs to be done to keep New Japan happy. I mean the only guys in ROH not meant to look like complete goobers recently are guys New Japan either has been booking or wants to book. To me it's a bit alarming how many acts have lost steam in ROH in the last 2 years. What makes them think that? New Japan may be a "bigger" company, but RoH probably has more visibility outside of Japan. New Japan should be trying to keep them happy since their guys are being given bigger exposure to non-Japanese audiences through RoH. And yes it is alarming at how many guys are losing steam. I remember when ACH was that dude, and now he's as cold as ice...and there's a slight possibility that he's also willing to sacrifice our love.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 3:46:19 GMT -5
I've got to ask, why would you think this could possibly break rules?
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Post by Starshine on Jul 27, 2016 5:07:40 GMT -5
I've got to ask, why would you think this could possibly break rules? It breaks the Code of Honor.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 27, 2016 8:18:53 GMT -5
For the record, I don't think ROH's struggles are all on Delirious. I personally have a theory that there are those higher up than Delirious that truly believe the New Japan relationship is going to take ROH to the next level and they're telling Delirious to do whatever needs to be done to keep New Japan happy. I mean the only guys in ROH not meant to look like complete goobers recently are guys New Japan either has been booking or wants to book. To me it's a bit alarming how many acts have lost steam in ROH in the last 2 years. What makes them think that? New Japan may be a "bigger" company, but RoH probably has more visibility outside of Japan. New Japan should be trying to keep them happy since their guys are being given bigger exposure to non-Japanese audiences through RoH. And yes it is alarming at how many guys are losing steam. I remember when ACH was that dude, and now he's as cold as ice...and there's a slight possibility that he's also willing to sacrifice our love. May not be true, but based on ROH's actions that's where I take my theory. As for why, I think ROH may have been struggling more than they let on and they're relying on New Japan to help at the gate
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 20:19:10 GMT -5
Who are the stars we MUST SEE? How can you get a former watcher to invest time logging into the website and say it was worth it? (Veda Scott don't count.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 21:02:07 GMT -5
Wait, so are all of you seriously down on Delirious' entire run as ROH booker? Let's say from Flyin' High in Spring 2014 (truly the first purely Delirious-only vision of the product) to now, none of that appealed to you? Did you prefer Cornette's run preceding that? Most people aren't saying they've disliked all of the past few years, just that ROH's current company structure and style of writing has gotten old, and it absolutely has, and that it's time to move on, and it absolutely is.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Jul 28, 2016 3:55:35 GMT -5
Book Nick Gage against Haku ![](http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160728/46af53118e21f615f017906ba28465a4.jpg) Pls.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jul 31, 2016 23:29:20 GMT -5
Most people aren't saying they've disliked all of the past few years, just that ROH's current company structure and style of writing has gotten old, and it absolutely has, and that it's time to move on, and it absolutely is. Therein, I believe, lies ROH's problems. A simple change of booker or main eventer isn't going to change things. The truth is, ROH just simply isn't special anymore. It isn't unique. When it started 14 years ago, there was nothing else out there like it. It became THE indy destination; you hadn't made it as a worker in the States unless you passed through ROH. They literally changed the landscape of the business, as the workhorse-oriented "smart" promotions began to pop up everywhere in emulation of both ROH and its spiritual predecessor ECW, all while the '90s style of indy promotions that were comprised of a handful of local guys, a semi-retired '80s guy who has settled down in the area, Perry "Action" Jackson, and the occasional WWF/WCW midcarder passing through started to fade by the wayside in terms of any sort of exposure or prominence. It isn't like that anymore. ROH grew complacent while its imitators thrived, utilizing similar strategies while adding their own touches to keep it fresh and adding their own unique identity. Ring of Honor used to be THE place to be. Now it's one of several options, and as we're seeing over the past year or so, not even necessarily the most desired. I couldn't even begin to tell you how they can get out of this, but I do feel this is the root of their issues. They need to find something that sets them apart again before they can really progress.
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