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Post by WoodStoner1 on Aug 12, 2016 12:07:04 GMT -5
OK good points above...perhaps I should set some guidelines here. Guess the two main rules are:
1) It has to be a fictional character who appeared, IN CHARACTER and treated like the character was a REAL BEING, on WWF/WWE programming, or any of the programming WWE owns the rights to. 2) It can also be character(s)/show(s) proven to have a link to characters who appeared on WWF/WWE programming, etc. And characters with links to those characters count too, of course. And so on and so on. (ex: Muppets have a link to Sesame Street, who have links to Star Wars and Mister Rogers. So all of the above would be "real" in the WWE Universe)
Now, we get a bit more difficult here...
3) If WWF/WWE/any of its properties were treated as a real thing in the universe of another show or movie...I guess that can be counted too. Only less of a challenge, that one :-) The chain reaction of shows within shows would apply here too (ex: The Bushwhackers, WWF characters, appeared on Family Matters; thus, Full House, Step by Step, et al exist in the WWE Universe). 4) If a show is fictional on another show? I guess you can also make an argument for it to count. The St. Elsewhere Tommy Westphall Multiverse does the same (the Mary Tyler Moore Show universe counts there because of the mental patient who watched/made a reference to Mary Richards and other characters...)
A bigger stretch...
5) I would be open to the idea of multiverses.
Now, can the OP edit this into the, well, OP?
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Aug 12, 2016 12:11:28 GMT -5
It was brought up but as Memphis is not owned by the WWF it was deemed that it didn't count. But Adam West DID voice one of the Batmen that Scooby Doo met, which started this whole thread. So does that mean only that animated Bat world exists in Scooby/WWE, or the whole '66 Batverse? And if it is the whole world and that includes the comics, that introduces characters not seen on either show at the time. No actually, Olan Soule, the Filmation/Superfriends 1973-1984 Batman, was the one Scooby met. But...if it was the Superfriends Batman in the Scooby episode, since that one's voice eventually changes to Adam West's.... Or are Superfriends and Super Powers (The Legendary Super Powers Show/Super Powers Team) two slightly, then very, different alternate universes? You can get Superfriends in there also by remembering that Space Ghost interviewed Hulk Hogan and Zorak knows of Ric Flair. Since Harvey Birdman appeared on SG:C2C and the SF's appeared on Birdman... Both WWF and WCW appeared on Family Feud...that show existed on 227, and previous versions existed on Angie and Mama's Family. Do we count those? And does Mama's Family mean all the Carol Burnett Show characters are real in WWE?
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Aug 12, 2016 12:20:06 GMT -5
Baywatch is real in WWE through being crossed over in WCW, but Pam Anderson also appeared in WWE as herself, so.... But I think WCW acknowledged its stars were merely appearing on the TV show...so it's possible for Baywatch to be a TV show and Pam to be real.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Aug 12, 2016 13:05:57 GMT -5
Shootin' on Scoob: he's cowardly, has poor pronunciation, and eats decadent huge sandwiches!
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Post by hbkid718 on Aug 12, 2016 13:11:55 GMT -5
So, how does it work with Boy Meets World because Vader wrestled, but I don't think he went by Vader? And the same with the wrestlers on Sabrina, or Triple H on Drew Carey. They all went by different names, I think.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Aug 12, 2016 13:23:16 GMT -5
Shootin' on Scoob: he's cowardly, has poor pronunciation, and eats decadent huge sandwiches! Scooby Snacks are of course punishable by the Wellness Policy.
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Post by doinkmark on Aug 12, 2016 13:39:53 GMT -5
So, how does it work with Boy Meets World because Vader wrestled, but I don't think he went by Vader? And the same with the wrestlers on Sabrina, or Triple H on Drew Carey. They all went by different names, I think. Vader was still Vader, but his "real name" was different. He also apparently had an alias of "Leslie", which may have been his actual "real name". But, Jake Roberts was still Jake Roberts in the one episode, so even if you don't count Vader, they're still connected through Jake and a reference to Shawn Michaels. Since Sabrina crossed over with BMW, her world counts because of that and not the Billy Gunn appearance.
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Post by doinkmark on Aug 12, 2016 13:49:30 GMT -5
Did Charmed ever crossover with anyone? Because Charmed counts through WCW. As does that crappy show WCW crossed over with near the end. It was like American Gladiators but not? Rick Steiner and others "invaded" it?
Back to Married With Children counting: Al wrestled a GLOW girl, so does that mean GLOW is technically part of WWE? And if so, was it just that particular version, or all of them?
Am I real? What if we're all part of some turtle's dream!
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Aug 12, 2016 13:57:22 GMT -5
Did Charmed ever crossover with anyone? Because Charmed counts through WCW. As does that crappy show WCW crossed over with near the end. It was like American Gladiators but not? Rick Steiner and others "invaded" it? Back to Married With Children counting: Al wrestled a GLOW girl, so does that mean GLOW is technically part of WWE? And if so, was it just that particular version, or all of them? Am I real? What if we're all part of some turtle's dream! GLOW is not part of WWE's tape library, and as such is part of some kind of mental block, kind of like the one people have of Spider-Man's identity after One More Day. Same applies for the Malcolm in the Middle moment, for obvious reasons.
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Post by hassanchop on Aug 12, 2016 14:32:06 GMT -5
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Post by hbkid718 on Aug 12, 2016 14:45:34 GMT -5
So, how does it work with Boy Meets World because Vader wrestled, but I don't think he went by Vader? And the same with the wrestlers on Sabrina, or Triple H on Drew Carey. They all went by different names, I think. Vader was still Vader, but his "real name" was different. He also apparently had an alias of "Leslie", which may have been his actual "real name". But, Jake Roberts was still Jake Roberts in the one episode, so even if you don't count Vader, they're still connected through Jake and a reference to Shawn Michaels. Since Sabrina crossed over with BMW, her world counts because of that and not the Billy Gunn appearance. OK. And the show you were referring to was BattleDome. Now, here's another question. On That 70s Show, The Rock played his father Rocky Johnson. So, is the Rock part of the That 70s Show universe, or only his father, Ken Shamrock & The Hardys as unknown wrestlers are? I know I'm taking this too far. Also, I don't know if it was mentioned but what about Entourage. I know Jeremy Piven was himself but didn't he do something as Ari too on Raw?
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Aug 12, 2016 15:18:44 GMT -5
Vader was still Vader, but his "real name" was different. He also apparently had an alias of "Leslie", which may have been his actual "real name". But, Jake Roberts was still Jake Roberts in the one episode, so even if you don't count Vader, they're still connected through Jake and a reference to Shawn Michaels. Since Sabrina crossed over with BMW, her world counts because of that and not the Billy Gunn appearance. OK. And the show you were referring to was BattleDome. Now, here's another question. On That 70s Show, The Rock played his father Rocky Johnson. So, is the Rock part of the That 70s Show universe, or only his father, Ken Shamrock & The Hardys as unknown wrestlers are? I know I'm taking this too far. Also, I don't know if it was mentioned but what about Entourage. I know Jeremy Piven was himself but didn't he do something as Ari too on Raw? Perhaps That '70s Show and thus That '80s Show form their own pocket universe where Rocky looked more like his son, and Shamrock, Broken Matt, and Brother Nero got big 2 decades earlier? Sabrina counted earlier too because I counted the Archies, based off of Dick Tracy being real (from that Daffy Duck short). Did anyone mention Planet of the Apes yet? Well at least the Burton version. And what happens if WWE interacted with the remake of something when it had no ties with the earlier versions?
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Aug 12, 2016 15:21:31 GMT -5
We are forgetting an even more obvious example...
ZEUS.
Meaning No Holds Barred is part of the WWE Universe as well. Which would also mean that Rip and Hulk Hogan co-exist. As do Jake Bullet and Demolition Ax. And Stan Hansen and unnamed bar thug. And there's two World Wrestling Federations, the one we know, and the NHB version where Rip and Bullet exist, as well as causing two pairs of Mean Gene and Jesse. Wonder if that one kept its name while ours became WWE?
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Post by Yacht Persona on Aug 12, 2016 16:02:53 GMT -5
Kevin Federline exists, which brings in Britney Spears, who guest starred as herself in Austin Powers: Goldmember.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Aug 13, 2016 13:23:20 GMT -5
Kevin Federline exists, which brings in Britney Spears, who guest starred as herself in Autin Powers: Goldmember. Aretha Franklin exists, so thus Blues Brothers and Blues Brothers 2000 must exist. (We can go on all day with WM celebrities alone!)
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Post by wildojinx on Aug 13, 2016 17:25:36 GMT -5
Someone brought up Hogan on Space Ghost Coast 2 Coast. Adult Swim did a new years special in 2003 which tied Space Ghost, The Brak Show, Aqua Teen Hunger Force, and Sealab 2021 together. Also, Harvey Birdman is also part of this universe, meaning that all the H-B characters who appeared on that show are part of this. If C2C is meant to be in the same timeline as the original show, then Moby Dick (who appeared in the 6-part SG finale) is also part of this universe. Was Ric Flair working for WWE in 2013 when he appeared on Uncle Grandpa? If so, that opens up some more possibilities.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Aug 13, 2016 18:22:04 GMT -5
Little Richard, who not only strengthens the Full House connection, also appeared on the Bill and Ted cartoon. So does that make B&T and their world part of the WWE Universe? (it would explain how New Day and Edge and Christian could use time machines)
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Aug 13, 2016 18:24:01 GMT -5
Someone brought up Hogan on Space Ghost Coast 2 Coast. Adult Swim did a new years special in 2003 which tied Space Ghost, The Brak Show, Aqua Teen Hunger Force, and Sealab 2021 together. Also, Harvey Birdman is also part of this universe, meaning that all the H-B characters who appeared on that show are part of this. If C2C is meant to be in the same timeline as the original show, then Moby Dick (who appeared in the 6-part SG finale) is also part of this universe. Was Ric Flair working for WWE in 2013 when he appeared on Uncle Grandpa? If so, that opens up some more possibilities. Flair was on Cleveland Show, but we already know the Family Guy Universe exists in WWE due to the Simpsons connection. Also, an easier gateway from Flair to Cartoon Network was, as I said, when Zorak mentioned him in the World Premiere Toon-In. It also means...best of all... RANDY SAVAGE AND LEONARD GHOSTAL EXIST IN THE SAME CONTINUITY!!!!!
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Post by wildojinx on Aug 13, 2016 19:08:26 GMT -5
They nearly had a chance for a literary tie-in. The Vince McMahon memorial RAW (the one that was cancelled due to Benoit) was slated to have guest appearances by the characters on USA's detective shows investigating Vince's "death". One of these shows was The Dead Zone, which means that since that show was based off of a Steven King book, the entire Kingverse would have been part of the WWE! Also, have we determined how Ready to Rumble fits into this whole thing?
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Post by moondoggie on Aug 13, 2016 20:28:51 GMT -5
Bushwhackers were in Family Matters as well wrestling Steve Urkel in an episode so that also counts right?
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