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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 11, 2016 0:15:27 GMT -5
I will say though, like I said in the ppv thread: people comparing him to Rock are off base. Rock had succeeded at the highest level in wrestling and was one of the biggest draws in history. For a UFC comparison, Rock would = Chuck Lidell coming back or something. Punk is to UFC what David Arquette was to wrestling: Nice guy, talented, succeeded in another area entirely; but never shoulda been in the ring/octagon. I think that's a little unfair. Sure, Arquette took bumps and the like, Punk has trained nonstop for two years. Punk was out of his depths, but surely not for lack of effort. I don't think it is, because I'm not saying it like Arquette is some horrible insult; I'm just saying they're comparable in what they brought to the table in their respective areas. In no way, shape, or form should Punk have been out there in the biggest fight organization in the world even with two years of training having no fight experience. But that's on Dana, not on him. I don't blame him at all for taking that opportunity. If you get the chance to do something you've always wanted to do, you do it. Saying that he didn't belong out there isn't insulting him, it's just being factual. Good on him for giving it a shot. Sometimes in life, ya lose.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 0:16:38 GMT -5
Punk is everyone past 35 playing competitive shooters against some 17 year old Mountain Dew/Doritos loving teenager.
That's all I thought when I saw that.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Sept 11, 2016 0:22:31 GMT -5
For something that tries to pass itself off as legitimate, putting a 36 year old guy, with zero real fight training, on a PPV, was a disgrace. This isn't even about Punk, or his hypocrisies, this is about Dana White being a bigger carny than Vince McMahon.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 11, 2016 0:22:38 GMT -5
Punk is everyone past 35 playing competitive shooters against some 17 year old Mountain Dew/Doritos loving teenager. That's all I thought when I saw that. For his next fight Gall has Mountain Dew, Doritos, and Call of Duty logos on his trunks.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 11, 2016 0:25:57 GMT -5
Punk is everyone past 35 playing competitive shooters against some 17 year old Mountain Dew/Doritos loving teenager. That's all I thought when I saw that. For his next fight Gall has Mountain Dew, Doritos, and Call of Duty logos on his trunks. Not if Reebok has anything to say about it.
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Post by corndog on Sept 11, 2016 0:28:51 GMT -5
For something that tries to pass itself off as legitimate, putting a 36 year old guy, with zero real fight training, on a PPV, was a disgrace. This isn't even about Punk, or his hypocrisies, this is about Dana White being a bigger carny than Vince McMahon. There is no way to argue this whatsoever, this was some hardcore carny shit from Dana.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 11, 2016 0:31:35 GMT -5
For something that tries to pass itself off as legitimate, putting a 36 year old guy, with zero real fight training, on a PPV, was a disgrace. This isn't even about Punk, or his hypocrisies, this is about Dana White being a bigger carny than Vince McMahon. There is no way to argue this whatsoever, this was some hardcore carny shit from Dana. It makes me think he thought he could pull it off twice. The difference is, Brock Lesnar was a decorated NCAA wrestler. He had a great grappling game coming into it, so it wasn't nearly the same as throwing a guy like Punk in there.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Sept 11, 2016 0:33:17 GMT -5
People saying, "now he'll come crawling back to WWE" don't understand how much money he has made.
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Post by Raskovnik on Sept 11, 2016 0:33:26 GMT -5
I don't even think Punk is particularly brave or deserves kudos for stepping into the cage because I'd do against literally anyone you want to put me against for half of what I'm sure he got, right this second.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Sept 11, 2016 0:36:10 GMT -5
Also, how come we can mock guys like Hogan, who's dream it was to be a famous actor, but couldn't act his way out of a paper bag, but not Punk, who's dream it was to be a UFC fighter, but couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag? CM Punk in that Octagon was the equivalent of Hogan in a tutu.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 0:37:38 GMT -5
I don't even think Punk is particularly brave or deserves kudos for stepping into the cage because I'd do against literally anyone you want to put me against for half of what I'm sure he got, right this second. f*** that noise. I'll do it right now bloated and all for 1% he got. Hell I do it with my right arm tied behind my back!
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 11, 2016 0:37:47 GMT -5
I will say though, like I said in the ppv thread: people comparing him to Rock are off base. Rock had succeeded at the highest level in wrestling and was one of the biggest draws in history. For a UFC comparison, Rock would = Chuck Lidell coming back or something. Punk is to UFC what David Arquette was to wrestling: Nice guy, talented, succeeded in another area entirely; but never shoulda been in the ring/octagon. I think that's a little unfair. Sure, Arquette took bumps and the like, Punk has trained nonstop for two years. Punk was out of his depths, but surely not for lack of effort. by the same token Arquette was 100% against winning the title and knew it would come off terribly. Punk was 100% behind fighting in the UFC... so it's not perfect on either side.
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Post by corndog on Sept 11, 2016 0:38:22 GMT -5
There is no way to argue this whatsoever, this was some hardcore carny shit from Dana. It makes me think he thought he could pull it off twice. The difference is, Brock Lesnar was a decorated NCAA wrestler. He had a great grappling game coming into it, so it wasn't nearly the same as throwing a guy like Punk in there. The big point is, Punk had no legit background. There are still a few and far between guys that have legit backgrounds in the WWE, Kurt Angle had one, Chad Gable has one, but Punk was certainly not one of them. Nakamura has a good MMA record, even though he never fought top guys, no one any worse than Gall.
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Post by corndog on Sept 11, 2016 0:39:21 GMT -5
I don't even think Punk is particularly brave or deserves kudos for stepping into the cage because I'd do against literally anyone you want to put me against for half of what I'm sure he got, right this second. Yeah I would get my ass kicked for that much money.
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Post by benstudd on Sept 11, 2016 0:43:30 GMT -5
It's Dana basically saying look at this guy, what we do is real, pro wrestling is not. That is why Dana wanted to see Maywether measure himself up against MMA fighters, to prove his point that MMA fighters were better than boxers and that his thing is the hot thing replacing the old thing.
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Post by golding on Sept 11, 2016 0:44:20 GMT -5
I enjoyed the fight, just like I recall people enjoying squash matches on RAW. Even fights have their place, just like exhibition matches do... especially when they having drawing power. CM Punk won't be in the UFC for a long time, so it shouldn't be seen as insulting if he's beaten up once or twice for our amusement. He's not the only can out there, he's just the least experienced and has the most name value.
The post-fight speeches were classy. Gall refusing to bite with Rogan's goading, and Punk's articulate and humble comments were a nice ending to it all. He shouldn't fight again on a UFC PPV after the beating he took, but I wouldn't complain if he did.
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Sept 11, 2016 0:47:01 GMT -5
I was looking at reddit and the majority of people on r/squaredcircle are shitting on/laughing at Punk and the majority of people r/mma are praising Punk for even trying it.
I just think it's interesting seeing what a lot of MMA fans think of the fight compared to wrestling fans. Or at least the hardcore internet fans anyway.
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Sept 11, 2016 0:50:16 GMT -5
I do hope we see Punk go back to wrestling at some point though. Even if it's not WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 0:51:39 GMT -5
I'll say this about Punk,
He lasted more than 18 seconds.
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Post by Reflecto on Sept 11, 2016 0:51:56 GMT -5
People saying, "now he'll come crawling back to WWE" don't understand how much money he has made. It's wishful thinking, for one. For another- it's perfect timing. I mean, WWE literally JUST had a spot open up for a notorious jerk, who was a former WWE Champion in the year 2011, who is involved with the black-haired Diva who was incredibly popular with the fans, who had notoriously gotten his ass handed to him in MMA. A spot like that doesn't open up every day, you know...
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