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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 13:51:12 GMT -5
So there's some revelations about the post-Secret Wars multiverse today too involving Reed Richards {Spoiler}{Spoiler}...Or rather, his Ultimate Universe counterpart The Maker. It seems Molecule Man made duplicates of him for every reality that has been created thus far. The original Maker wants to reunify the multiverse in preparation for another "great war" that's coming So.... {Spoiler}they pretty much end things in SW with Molecule Man seemingly quite reformed and helping out Reed & Pals, but then eventually have MM just creating evil Reeds all over the multiverse?
Boring.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Oct 26, 2016 15:31:39 GMT -5
Really, the only thing good about Civil War II is how the conflict is being used by HydraCap to his advantage, as told over in his book.
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Post by Crimson on Oct 26, 2016 19:09:22 GMT -5
So between Civil War II and all the Chelsea Cain stuff on twitter, the comic forums have been really venomous today. Whatever happened to the idea that if you don't like a comic, you just don't read?
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 26, 2016 19:21:17 GMT -5
So between Civil War II and all the Chelsea Cain stuff on twitter, the comic forums have been really venomous today. Whatever happened to the idea that if you don't like a comic, you just don't read? No, the proper way to respond to things you don't like is to bitch online, harass people and potentially send death threats. That's apparently the way the world works now.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Oct 26, 2016 20:33:21 GMT -5
So between Civil War II and all the Chelsea Cain stuff on twitter, the comic forums have been really venomous today. Whatever happened to the idea that if you don't like a comic, you just don't read? No, the proper way to respond to things you don't like is to bitch online, harass people and potentially send death threats. That's apparently the way the world works now. The really unfortunate part of it all is these writers and artists plant their flags in Twitter, which is the most hateful place on Earth this side of a Klan meeting, so people who do want to actually interact with them constructively get drowned out by the knuckle draggers.
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Post by andrew8798 on Oct 26, 2016 20:43:52 GMT -5
It got so bad she got rid of her twitter
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Post by sternrogers01 on Oct 27, 2016 11:26:24 GMT -5
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Oct 27, 2016 16:44:52 GMT -5
It got so bad she got rid of her twitter Jesus that sucks because now comic fans as a whole are going to get lambasted over this. Already saw one tweet that blatantly said "Comics, you're a problem". And that was by someone who used to be in the industry.
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Post by Legion on Oct 27, 2016 17:58:14 GMT -5
It got so bad she got rid of her twitter Jesus that sucks because now comic fans as a whole are going to get lambasted over this. Already saw one tweet that blatantly said "Comics, you're a problem". And that was by someone who used to be in the industry. I had this argument with people yesterday. Many people are just accepting that it is a comics problem - but it isn't - it's a societal issue. The one, ironically, that South Park is currently lambasting. Trolls online who have no accountability and may be doing it for any reason from fun to legit beliefs, coupled with people who cant accept that things change, that women, people of non-white ethnicities and LGBT+ individuals all have rights and want some representation
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Oct 27, 2016 20:05:20 GMT -5
Jesus that sucks because now comic fans as a whole are going to get lambasted over this. Already saw one tweet that blatantly said "Comics, you're a problem". And that was by someone who used to be in the industry. I had this argument with people yesterday. Many people are just accepting that it is a comics problem - but it isn't - it's a societal issue. The one, ironically, that South Park is currently lambasting. Trolls online who have no accountability and may be doing it for any reason from fun to legit beliefs, coupled with people who cant accept that things change, that women, people of non-white ethnicities and LGBT+ individuals all have rights and want some representation Oh, I definitely agree that it's a societal issue, but I definitely feel comic fans and video game fans tends to get slammed for it more. Or at least we often all get paint with very similar brush. You don't hear people say "YouTube is a problem" when talking about comment section trolls, but many in the media feel comfortable slapping the blame on all comic readers, or gamers, despite it being a very vocal, but very small minority.
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Post by Convoy on Oct 27, 2016 20:45:29 GMT -5
There are many issues with representation in comics, and Nick Spencer said it best on Twitter when it comes to new stories vs. actual store sales.
The saddest part is, with all the craziness and harassment online, the stuff that happens "in secret" from fellow creators and editors is much worse. For every story that breaks -- trust me -- there are 20 you'll never hear about due to fear.
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Post by knightrider01 on Oct 27, 2016 21:17:59 GMT -5
Oh screw Nick Spencer. He can whine all he wants but he himself is part of the larger issue here. Think about it this isn't a society issue or a nerd issue or a comic issue. It's a Marvel issue. Which comic book company admits to creating hate in order to boost sales. Who is it that these stories revolve around. Hell whose editor is suspiciously tweeting out for people to buy the last issue to show support. I'll give you all a hint, there the house of (hateful) ideas.
I mean, how many more times does this have to happen before we notice the one commonality in this. Marvel lives in hate, it bathes in it. All their legacy characters from the last few years are created in a way to piss people off. I'll get in trouble for this but even Mockingbird is guilty of doing this. Yet no one every brings this up. You live in hate long enough eventually it doesn't wear off.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Oct 27, 2016 22:12:52 GMT -5
Yeah, Nick Spencer and that guy from Captain Marvel did what they did to drum up hatred and buzz. A female character being a feminist =/= turning Captain America into a Nazi or Captain Marvel going, "Boo hoo Holocaust wah wah wah."
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Post by knightrider01 on Oct 27, 2016 23:08:11 GMT -5
You know what really isn't going to help Carol's popularity. Being a murderer. Marvel did it again with Civil War. They are telling us this character is the hero but everyone knows they are the villain.
Also I want to throw this out there. Nick Spencer has been going on a rant recently against DC because of their recent success. Apparently he believes that Rebirth is the death of diversity and creativity and a return to the dark time of comics. He has a point that there is a more classical approach from DC at the moment but too down right ignore things like Green Lanterns, Wonder Woman, Detective Comics, Batgirl, Birds of Prey, Supergirl, Superwoman, New Superman, Blue Beetle, Doom Patrol, Shade the Changing Girl, Judy Houser's new book that I can never remember the name of. Ignoring all of that plus the strong diverse influence in Green Arrow, Superman and other titles just pisses me off.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 28, 2016 0:48:32 GMT -5
You know what really isn't going to help Carol's popularity. Being a murderer. Marvel did it again with Civil War. They are telling us this character is the hero but everyone knows they are the villain. Also I want to throw this out there. Nick Spencer has been going on a rant recently against DC because of their recent success. Apparently he believes that Rebirth is the death of diversity and creativity and a return to the dark time of comics. He has a point that there is a more classical approach from DC at the moment but too down right ignore things like Green Lanterns, Wonder Woman, Detective Comics, Batgirl, Birds of Prey, Supergirl, Superwoman, New Superman, Blue Beetle, Doom Patrol, Shade the Changing Girl, Judy Houser's new book that I can never remember the name of. Ignoring all of that plus the strong diverse influence in Green Arrow, Superman and other titles just pisses me off. I see Rebirth as a return to what put DC on the map in the first place. Also, if he needs to be able to re-invent the wheel to not feel creatively stifled, maybe he's in the wrong line of work. Comics aren't creating new fans, but they are actively chasing the old ones away. DC found a way to bring many of their readers back while still moving forward, and Marvel just continues to chase people out just so they can do PR shit with Entertainment Weekly about how diverse they are. I can't wait until they do the Forbes article about how fiscally mediocre their comics are performing amidst DC enjoying a pretty good upswing in sales.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Oct 28, 2016 2:20:11 GMT -5
There are many issues with representation in comics, and Nick Spencer said it best on Twitter when it comes to new stories vs. actual store sales. The saddest part is, with all the craziness and harassment online, the stuff that happens "in secret" from fellow creators and editors is much worse. For every story that breaks -- trust me -- there are 20 you'll never hear about due to fear. Look how few know about the supposed stuff Barry Blair got up to while running Aircel. I never see much talk about it,but Dark Circle/Archie's new Black Hood series is great. Season 2 just started and looks to be as high a quality as Season 1. They took the old golden age hero and made him a mostly reality based vigilante. Who is also a pill addicted Cop. It feels less like a comic and more like a decent tv drama about a street level superhero. Now a word of warning the title has been plagued with delays. Really I would say wait for the trades on this series.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Oct 28, 2016 8:42:14 GMT -5
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 28, 2016 9:26:11 GMT -5
I do have to say shame on Marvel for that becuase that cover was clearly intended to poke at the asshole trolls out there... and it's been documented enough to know who was going to get the brunt of the abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 9:30:28 GMT -5
Also I want to throw this out there. Nick Spencer has been going on a rant recently against DC because of their recent success. Apparently he believes that Rebirth is the death of diversity and creativity and a return to the dark time of comics. He has a point that there is a more classical approach from DC at the moment but too down right ignore things like Green Lanterns, Wonder Woman, Detective Comics, Batgirl, Birds of Prey, Supergirl, Superwoman, New Superman, Blue Beetle, Doom Patrol, Shade the Changing Girl, Judy Houser's new book that I can never remember the name of. Ignoring all of that plus the strong diverse influence in Green Arrow, Superman and other titles just pisses me off. There are more female titles at DC than there are at Marvel. And I think that was the case before Mockingbird and A-Force were axed. Creators run a very fine line not just yelling at readers and blaming them for these trends (which I doubt wouldn't keep them from just walking away) so they need to find other foes to angst out at.........in the case, their distinguished competition.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Oct 28, 2016 10:07:41 GMT -5
Batman, Dinah and vintage Lobo join Orlando's JLA roster
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