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Post by thechase on Apr 24, 2022 2:51:16 GMT -5
This might be my 'copium' talking here, but {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}There are a lot of misdirects/red herrings going on presently.
1. We don't know what became of Peter and MJ at the conclusion of Spider-Man Beyond when that being bathed in light crashed MJ's apartment and told Peter to come with him
2. Paul's 'daughter' is a red-head who looks very similar to MJ, dimples and everything.
3. MJ tells Peter in the issue to stop doing what he's doing, so she's back to being frustrated that he's Spider-Man again, or it could possibly be he's doing things that endanger the kids and it's taking him away from being with her, and she'd rather be with him than Paul, which means a whole lot of relationship problems for her and the family if she wants to get more serious.
4. There's the whole Moira McTaggart and Hellfire Gala thing going on
I'm intrigued by all this set up, but yeah, on first glance it's a troll psy-op job and a pretty sad and desperate one {Spoiler}{Spoiler} {Spoiler}{Spoiler}4. The page ends with Mary Jane saying “Everything is perfect.” Seems she’s pretty over Peter already. Again, guess their love wasn’t as unbreakable as Spencer said it was.
[/spoiler] [/quote] {Spoiler}{Spoiler}She's not saying "everything's perfect" because she's over Peter. Quite the opposite, she's exaggerating for effect, she doesn't want to worry the family by saying her ex-boyfriend dropped by to talk to her, because then they'd worry and ask questions. She's sparing them any additional stress as well as covering for the man she truly loves. The art does a pretty good job of selling MJ's obvious apprehension and desperation with this line
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Post by Duke Cameron on Apr 24, 2022 3:21:19 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}4. The page ends with Mary Jane saying “Everything is perfect.” Seems she’s pretty over Peter already. Again, guess their love wasn’t as unbreakable as Spencer said it was.
[/spoiler] [/quote] {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}She's not saying "everything's perfect" because she's over Peter. Quite the opposite, she's exaggerating for effect, she doesn't want to worry the family by saying her ex-boyfriend dropped by to talk to her, because then they'd worry and ask questions. She's sparing them any additional stress as well as covering for the man she truly loves. The art does a pretty good job of selling MJ's obvious apprehension and desperation with this line [/quote] {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} That’s my point. If Peter’s the man she truly loves, if she’s having any doubts over the decision she made, then don’t dump Peter in the first place. You don’t just dump someone and then lie to yourself that everything’s okay. You make sure you’re 100% ready to leave that person behind before you make that decision. Not to mention that it’s incredibly unfair to anyone she dates after him.
Saw some suggestions that those are her biological children. The little girl looks exactly like her. If so, when was she pregnant? Why did she never tell Peter about them? Where were they all the times she was dating Peter? Is she going to just up and leave them the next time she decides to go back to Peter?
As I said, it’s lazy writing that doesn’t make any sense just ainthey can try and create drama. I rather they just kill her off if all they’re going to do with her is have her make stupid, rash decisions about her relationship with Peter.
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Post by thechase on Apr 24, 2022 8:18:27 GMT -5
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Post by Duke Cameron on Apr 24, 2022 12:28:25 GMT -5
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I’ll have to congratulate Marvel if that was their intent. It worked.
They turned a guy who not only considered Mary Jane his favorite character, but also considered Mary Jane, not Spider-Man himself the reason why he became a hardcore Spider-Man fan 3 decades ago and made him into a guy who just wants to see her written away, permanently.
As far as Peter being the father, I’d love for it to be true, but I can’t believe it. Marvel has spent decades denying Peter not only marriage, but children too. I can’t see them just giving him not only one child, but two. Even if it was just to create drama between him, Mary Jane and Aunt May. The kids just existing and being his would give Peter some kind of hope and happiness and Marvel doesn’t want Peter to have either. I don’t know who the father is if they are indeed biologically hers, but i’d bet they aren’t Peter’s.They learned nothing from Sins Past. If I’m wrong, I’ll be genuinely happy that they gave him something like this, until then, I’ll remain highly doubtful until the parentage is revealed.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Apr 24, 2022 12:57:29 GMT -5
Apparently, this is the message the editor printed at the end of the issue... {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Super hoping you’ve all liked what you’ve just read. I know a bunch of you probably didn’t like the last couple of pages very much. Don’t want to cause you pain, but we have a heck of a story we’re building that I hope you all enjoy to make up for any anger and sadness you’re feeling right now, we have answers to who Paul is, who those kids are and why they’re calling MJ mommy.
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Post by thechase on Apr 24, 2022 13:53:59 GMT -5
Yeah, the entire issue leaked over at 4Chan. I saw even more of the Peter/MJ situation {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Peter calls MJ but she wants him to cut contact with her, and even hides in a closet to keep Paul or the kids from overhearing her
Also turns out Aunt May is living in even cheaper accommodation because of Peter's lies, she still talks to him and they meet up on weekends, but she tells him she is hurt by his lies
As for wishing MJ would go, I disagree, Spencer's run proved she can be salvaged at any given opportunity, it just depends on the writer. The hope is there again after his run. Spider-Man as a whole on the other hand just needs to end. But that won't happen. I'd prefer if the Renew Your Vows family replaced the 616 variants. The most memorable or fun stories of the last twenty years have all been ones focusing on these universes like Spider-Girl, Renew Your Vows, Life Story, Spider's Shadow, hell even the darn Newspaper Strip, all of which largely focus on Peter's relationship with MJ, and it's allowed to go somewhere or just be portrayed in a compelling or even overtly positive manner.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Apr 24, 2022 15:23:47 GMT -5
Yeah, the entire issue leaked over at 4Chan. I saw even more of the Peter/MJ situation {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Peter calls MJ but she wants him to cut contact with her, and even hides in a closet to keep Paul or the kids from overhearing her
Also turns out Aunt May is living in even cheaper accommodation because of Peter's lies, she still talks to him and they meet up on weekends, but she tells him she is hurt by his lies
As for wishing MJ would go, I disagree, Spencer's run proved she can be salvaged at any given opportunity, it just depends on the writer. The hope is there again after his run. Spider-Man as a whole on the other hand just needs to end. But that won't happen. I'd prefer if the Renew Your Vows family replaced the 616 variants. The most memorable or fun stories of the last twenty years have all been ones focusing on these universes like Spider-Girl, Renew Your Vows, Life Story, Spider's Shadow, hell even the darn Newspaper Strip, all of which largely focus on Peter's relationship with MJ, and it's allowed to go somewhere or just be portrayed in a compelling or even overtly positive manner. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Could you possibly DM me the link to the 4Chan page that has the issue?
I just don’t get Mary Jane anymore. You dump him, tell him not to talk to you anymore, but still watch him as he walks by your window while the look on your face clearly shows a desire to still be with the guy. Make up your mind! Cut him off for good or be with him.
I’m also confused by these lies. What lies? Since when did Peter lie about anything? About being Spider-Man? About the explosion?
That’s my reason on why I want her gone. Spencer gave readers hope that they could still work as a couple, only to have it broken up once the next writer took over. What’s the point in getting my hopes up when a writer like Spencer decides to write them well when they’ve already proven it won’t last? I want some consistency in how they write the relationship. I don’t want her salvaged over and over, I want her salvaged and for her to stay salvaged. That’s why I want her gone. If they’re not going to be consistent with her, I rather they just write her away. I’m too old to handle the bad Mary Jane writing anymore.
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Post by thechase on Apr 25, 2022 3:30:03 GMT -5
Yeah, the entire issue leaked over at 4Chan. I saw even more of the Peter/MJ situation {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Peter calls MJ but she wants him to cut contact with her, and even hides in a closet to keep Paul or the kids from overhearing her
Also turns out Aunt May is living in even cheaper accommodation because of Peter's lies, she still talks to him and they meet up on weekends, but she tells him she is hurt by his lies
As for wishing MJ would go, I disagree, Spencer's run proved she can be salvaged at any given opportunity, it just depends on the writer. The hope is there again after his run. Spider-Man as a whole on the other hand just needs to end. But that won't happen. I'd prefer if the Renew Your Vows family replaced the 616 variants. The most memorable or fun stories of the last twenty years have all been ones focusing on these universes like Spider-Girl, Renew Your Vows, Life Story, Spider's Shadow, hell even the darn Newspaper Strip, all of which largely focus on Peter's relationship with MJ, and it's allowed to go somewhere or just be portrayed in a compelling or even overtly positive manner. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} Could you possibly DM me the link to the 4Chan page that has the issue?
I just don’t get Mary Jane anymore. You dump him, tell him not to talk to you anymore, but still watch him as he walks by your window while the look on your face clearly shows a desire to still be with the guy. Make up your mind! Cut him off for good or be with him.
I’m also confused by these lies. What lies? Since when did Peter lie about anything? About being Spider-Man? About the explosion?
That’s my reason on why I want her gone. Spencer gave readers hope that they could still work as a couple, only to have it broken up once the next writer took over. What’s the point in getting my hopes up when a writer like Spencer decides to write them well when they’ve already proven it won’t last? I want some consistency in how they write the relationship. I don’t want her salvaged over and over, I want her salvaged and for her to stay salvaged. That’s why I want her gone. If they’re not going to be consistent with her, I rather they just write her away. I’m too old to handle the bad Mary Jane writing anymore. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Just invest in alternate universe versions my dude, they're always much more faithful to MJ's portrayal, the MC2 variants essentially ignore everything after 1998, which is, JMS aside, when Spidey turned to rank manure anyway.
I feel like the only reason 616 MJ acts this way in-story is nobody has been acting or thinking straight since Mephisto reshaped reality in OMD, and him having a foothold on reality is a plot point Aarron is using in his never-ceasing Avengers run.
It's funny how the likes of Arron and Spencer keep teasing Mephisto as a bigger deal, but all it's amounted to so far is a lot of teasing and constant build, it's been going on for years, it's like Marvel are afraid to pull the big "Marvel vs the Devil" story sooner than later....maybe it's because too many expectations are riding on it, or maybe they're wondering just where it is you go after you beat the devil?
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Post by thechase on Apr 26, 2022 0:28:13 GMT -5
Yikes, Bleeding Cool calls Amazing Spider-Man this week a mash-up of One More Day and Sins Past
They're not exaggerating.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Apr 26, 2022 13:33:04 GMT -5
Yikes, Bleeding Cool calls Amazing Spider-Man this week a mash-up of One More Day and Sins Past They're not exaggerating. They deserve this. It’s better than all the other suck up reviews I’ve seen giving it reviews ranging from a 7 to a 9.5 out of 10.
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Post by thechase on Apr 26, 2022 13:37:21 GMT -5
Yikes, Bleeding Cool calls Amazing Spider-Man this week a mash-up of One More Day and Sins Past They're not exaggerating. They deserve this. It’s better than all the other suck up reviews I’ve seen giving it anywhere from a 7 to a 9.5 out of 10. Even Newsarama weren't keen on it, calling Peter utterly unlikeable. It'll be interesting to read the Crawlspace's reaction. In the letters page, Lowe alludes to site reviewer Chi-Town Spidey, who's a Peter/MJ fan and tells him he'll be upset at this.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Apr 26, 2022 22:40:11 GMT -5
They deserve this. It’s better than all the other suck up reviews I’ve seen giving it anywhere from a 7 to a 9.5 out of 10. Even Newsarama weren't keen on it, calling Peter utterly unlikeable. It'll be interesting to read the Crawlspace's reaction. In the letters page, Lowe alludes to site reviewer Chi-Town Spidey, who's a Peter/MJ fan and tells him he'll be upset at this. I’m aware of the Crawlspace. I’ve been following them for awhile and was a part of their forum board. Speaking of Sins Past and One More Day, {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}
I’ve seen a lot of people speculating that Marvel’s trying to create a new Sins Past with this storyline by having these kids actually being Mary Jane‘s and Peter not knowing they exist.
What I was wondering is if this storyline is actually Mephisto tampering with the One More Day deal again? Maybe he felt them moving in together was them getting too close, so he reset and altered reality again by resetting their relationship back to zero and making it harder for them to reunite by giving Mary Jane two kids. So in essence, they are actually her kids, but they were put there by Mephisto as yet another roadblock. It could be what the glowing light at the end of issue #93 was.
It’s convoluted, but I don’t put it past Marvel to do something like this whenever a writer gets Peter and Mary Jane too close to remarrying.
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Post by thechase on Apr 27, 2022 0:33:14 GMT -5
Even Newsarama weren't keen on it, calling Peter utterly unlikeable. It'll be interesting to read the Crawlspace's reaction. In the letters page, Lowe alludes to site reviewer Chi-Town Spidey, who's a Peter/MJ fan and tells him he'll be upset at this. I’m aware of the Crawlspace. I’ve been following them for awhile and was a part of their forum board. It sucks the Crawlspace shut the forum down because they're all on Discord nowadays, the place had been deserted for years but it was great to research and look back on. They had the likes of Dan Slott, Roger Stern, and group editor Stephen Wacker as members there one time, and while Roger was always great to have around, Slott and Wacker were always on their worst behaviour. I think the Crawlspace banned Wacker eventually and Slott requested his account be deleted after he realized the site's members weren't going to shill for him or put up with his B.S posts. As for that speculation you've heard, it's a sound one {Spoiler}Mary Jane's also had a few absences from the main title over the years, so she could have those kids at any given time like how they tried to frame Gwen's pregnancy occurring during a trip to Europe...judging from their ages it could have been from around the time she first rejected Peter's proposal and left NYC, or it could have been an early pregnancy from before she even met Peter. Mephisto altering reality to create a roadblock is interesting, since we know he's had a vision of a red head being the one to defeat him. Time will tell if that was Mayday or if it was Mary Jane herself with Spider-powers.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Apr 27, 2022 14:34:15 GMT -5
I’m aware of the Crawlspace. I’ve been following them for awhile and was a part of their forum board. It sucks the Crawlspace shut the forum down because they're all on Discord nowadays, the place had been deserted for years but it was great to research and look back on. They had the likes of Dan Slott, Roger Stern, and group editor Stephen Wacker as members there one time, and while Roger was always great to have around, Slott and Wacker were always on their worst behaviour. I think the Crawlspace banned Wacker eventually and Slott requested his account be deleted after he realized the site's members weren't going to shill for him or put up with his B.S posts. As for that speculation you've heard, it's a sound one {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Mary Jane's also had a few absences from the main title over the years, so she could have those kids at any given time like how they tried to frame Gwen's pregnancy occurring during a trip to Europe...judging from their ages it could have been from around the time she first rejected Peter's proposal and left NYC, or it could have been an early pregnancy from before she even met Peter. Mephisto altering reality to create a roadblock is interesting, since we know he's had a vision of a red head being the one to defeat him. Time will tell if that was Mayday or if it was Mary Jane herself with Spider-powers. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} I’m not really a fan of either scenario.
I don’t think Mary Jane looks particularly good if it turns out that she’s had these kids this whole time and never told Peter. Unlike Gwen, she’s been alive this whole time to tell him the truth. It’s not something you keep from the supposed love of your life.
In the Mephisto scenario, It’d just be Marvel rubbing it in fans faces that they can just use a cheap ploy to reset any progress they make as a couple any time they want.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 27, 2022 20:50:41 GMT -5
Definitely curious to see where Amazing Spidey goes. Was a good cliffhanger.
Got the second ish of Hulk Grand Design, and the latest Silver Surfer Rebirth.
Also picked up Blood Stained Teeth and added to my pull list.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 29, 2022 0:24:34 GMT -5
www.cbr.com/dark-knight-returns-sin-city-creator-frank-miller-launches-publishing-company-dan-didio/Dan Didio and Frank Miller are making their own company with blackjacks and hookers... And they're totally going to nurture new talent in the comic book industry... none that they're going to name... or any books based on entirely new things... but we're getting Ronin part Two and Sin City 1858... for reasons... Could be something... but modern day Miller on board makes me really not interested... at least Didio in theory has his own playground and canon's to ignore >_>
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 29, 2022 8:12:15 GMT -5
www.cbr.com/dark-knight-returns-sin-city-creator-frank-miller-launches-publishing-company-dan-didio/Dan Didio and Frank Miller are making their own company with blackjacks and hookers... And they're totally going to nurture new talent in the comic book industry... none that they're going to name... or any books based on entirely new things... but we're getting Ronin part Two and Sin City 1858... for reasons... Could be something... but modern day Miller on board makes me really not interested... at least Didio in theory has his own playground and canon's to ignore >_> Didio should be persona non grata in the industry for the way he kept protecting Eddie Berganza over the years.
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Post by thechase on Apr 29, 2022 12:12:10 GMT -5
Bizzarely, the colourist for ASM has been the one fielding all the reactions from twitter about the controversial issue, he says they're doing their best with what he says are good stories, but 'can't assure anyone will enjoy' what's coming up, he is of the belief though that Peter and MJ's love will see them through this rough patch, so there's that at least. Oh, and Marvel titles will be delayed far and wide in the coming months bleedingcool.com/comics/marvel-comics-getting-later-and-later-and-later/
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Post by thechase on May 4, 2022 15:23:48 GMT -5
So some pretty big Wham Moments in Spider and X-Men books today {Spoiler}2099 Exodus Alpha#1: Norman Osborn is revealed to be living in 2099 as head of a shady organization Miguel is opposed to called the Cabal, and he's kept himself from aging all this time too. He creates computerized cave Goblin trolls in virtual reality interfaces to combat the intruding Miguel and Ghost Rider
Ben Reilly: Spider-Man#4 Spidercide makes mention of Peter and MJ being married
And in Giant Size X-Men: Thunderbird, we get a cameo from Judas Traveller
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 4, 2022 17:28:11 GMT -5
MY BOY IS BACK BABY! >_>
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