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Post by Dub H on Oct 10, 2016 23:20:04 GMT -5
There story that makes sense like on SD , it is either all over the place z or they don't bother writing for it.the only story they had going on when I stopped was the same old authority that is 10 years old and balls joke , and supah reigns. Just bad writing and booking all over the place. While the mid card keep suffering from stop and go , there is no momentum or story for then , like enzo and cass, darren , Sami zayn , nia jax
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 23:30:33 GMT -5
So. Many. Damn. Rematches. Just the same guys cutting the same promos on each other and wrestling pretty much the same matches for months on end. Then the stuff that happens outside of the main two feuds(you know, the ones that involve the Shield guys) doesn't ever lead to anything, ever.
Needs a new set of eyes booking the show, badly.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Oct 10, 2016 23:34:54 GMT -5
It's 3 hours and it's really long and tedious to sit though. I only tune in to catch the main event if it's interesting then I catch whatever's interesting on Youtube.
And honestly, I'm not feeling too well. So I'd rather watch shit that interest me (Gotham, Supergirl, Luke Cage, etc) than a show that feels like a chore for like 90 percent of it.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Oct 10, 2016 23:42:12 GMT -5
I'd answer the question "What's bad about Raw" in the same way I'd respond to "Why are the Miami Dolphins so shit?"
I don't know where to begin because there are far too many reasons to mention and quite frankly the situation doesn't seem to be improving any time soon.
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Post by King (Super) Dragunov on Oct 11, 2016 5:11:35 GMT -5
I've stopped watching like the first hour of the show and it's been better to me but overall I say my issues are this: - Too long, way too long. There's a difference between a lengthy show that hits you and a lengthy boring show. Raw's got some nice parts but the boring parts just waste my time. I'd rather do something else instead like sleep. - "The Roman Reigns Will Never Be Booked Correctly And Everyone He Interacts With Becomes Far Worse For It Including The Women" show. Sasha and Charlotte looked far worse getting mixed in with the guy. Let alone Rusev even changed his look to try and get the stink of this dude off him. It's a lost cause and I refuse to keep watching his parts knowing he's ruining who he works with. I straight up didn't see the match because of him. Straight up missed Sasha because of him. Just, no. - Cruiserweights being toned down. Nah, they gotta bring them back up again. - Gallows/Anderson, New Day being shit right now. Just, ugh. - Too much Authority. I don't want them popping up again even Mick. He's been shit ever since he got that role. - Feels less about the show being streamlined and everything working off each other and more like they had different segments they just acted out at different times. No flow. - Owens, Rollins and the Universal Title feel like they are secondary to Reigns and his belt. No matter what they do it feels as though they're just wasting time until Reigns can be back in the title picture especially considering Reigns got over on Owens multiple times. It's horrible. No use watching this when their belt doesn't matter. Just boring. I'm watching less and less Raw as the weeks go by but I still watch SD and the ppvs. No shame. This actually pretty much sums it up for me. I think they're improving on the making the WWE Universal title more important, but everything else is spot on. For me the main points are: it's too long. even if i do DVR it and watch it after. I'd love to watch it with everyone, but I just can't. I need to be able to fast forward. New Day are f***ing awful. I'm growing to despise Enzo and Cass. The cruiserweights need to be on Smackdown like I've said a bajillion times. TJP needs new music and tron stat. Roman. Roman. Roman. Reigns sucks. (sing that to his theme music. I do everytime) Rusev is World Champion material and deserves better. But I honestly think it is improving. And to answer the "don't we have this question ever week" snarky remark of course we do. It's a storytelling show. The story changes, and the answer a few weeks ago might not be the same as it is now. It evolves. As stories tend to do. As said the last two weeks were better than the previous month before it. It feels less stagnant. I actually watched more than a couple full matches this time. The women are all doing something (kinda like Smackdown, huh?), Gallows and Anderson are at least trying to regain momentum that the New Day feud sucked out of them (seriously they're like the John Cena of tag teams at this point. If you face them you're going to get buried and have a helluva time attempting to recover). I love Charlotte, and I know I'm the minority here, and I'm excited about their match at HIAC. I don't blame people for not watching. If I didn't breeze through them in about an hour/hour and a half depending on the matches I probably wouldn't watch either.
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Post by auph10imitated on Oct 11, 2016 5:24:22 GMT -5
Three hours is f***ing ridiculous and it always has been, it was one of WCW's biggest issues (among many others)
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Post by mcstoklasa on Oct 11, 2016 6:33:53 GMT -5
Three hours
Stephanie
GMs
Commentary
Ad breaks
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Post by Yacht Persona on Oct 11, 2016 6:35:03 GMT -5
I feel as though they find it difficult to fill the three hours with what they believe is compelling television, so they try to making it compelling by turning it into a drama that takes place more in backstage segments and drawn-out in-ring segments. One of their biggest flaws on Raw is trying to tell stories through scripts and plot twists rather than stories in the wrestling ring. It honestly feels like I'm watching a wrestling show pretending to be a drama, or some odd PG version of Game of Thrones with Stephanie as Cersei Lannister. It fails miserably.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Oct 11, 2016 6:36:20 GMT -5
Can you imagine of your favourer show like Breaking Bad or Walking Dead or something was three hours an episode every week?
I know it's not nessecarily a fair comparison but Jesus.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 7:01:59 GMT -5
Stephanie/Mick
Too much Seth Rollins. (How much mic time does this guy need?)
New Day winning by shenanigans every week and nobody says a damn word to justify it. They're supposed to be good guys, but cheat to win isn't cool nor sportsman-like. (Pisses me off.)
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Oct 11, 2016 8:47:17 GMT -5
Booking currently is pretty good, but the show drags and drags...a million commercials, mumbling Foley, emasculating Steph, that's pretty much IT
Love Y2J/Owens, Sasha, Bayley, Sami, Cesaro, Rusev, Cruiserweights, enjoy Charlotte, Dana, Neville, New Day, Enzo/Cass, could live without Roman or Sheamus
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Post by Dub H on Oct 11, 2016 8:54:58 GMT -5
Booking currently is pretty good, but the show drags and drags...a million commercials, mumbling Foley, emasculating Steph, that's pretty much IT Love Y2J/Owens, Sasha, Bayley, Sami, Cesaro, Rusev, Cruiserweights, enjoy Charlotte, Dana, Neville, New Day, Enzo/Cass, could live without Roman or Sheamus pretty much what?
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Post by joeiscool on Oct 11, 2016 9:04:59 GMT -5
I just think it's the 3rd hour.
It's pretty good other wise.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Oct 11, 2016 10:54:22 GMT -5
Booking currently is pretty good, but the show drags and drags...a million commercials, mumbling Foley, emasculating Steph, that's pretty much IT Love Y2J/Owens, Sasha, Bayley, Sami, Cesaro, Rusev, Cruiserweights, enjoy Charlotte, Dana, Neville, New Day, Enzo/Cass, could live without Roman or Sheamus pretty much what?
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Post by Bungle on Oct 11, 2016 11:38:50 GMT -5
SHIELD fatigue is a big factor.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Oct 11, 2016 11:45:09 GMT -5
The show is so cheesy and corny yet somehow is constantly patting itself on the back.
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Post by cabbageboy on Oct 11, 2016 11:50:26 GMT -5
Raw is marginally better now that the cruisers are on the show but think about Raw this way. Take away the women, the cruisers...and look at that roster. It's just dire. There's no decent midcard. Further, there is also no decent title feud at the moment. Is there anyone who really cares about this Owens/Rollins feud? Owens and Jericho are fun together but it feels more like a 3rd from the top midcard act than something in the main event. Further, the Rusev/Reigns feud is just deadly right now with no real decent ideas on the horizon for either guy after it. The tag title scene right now is a dead zone with New Day killing those belts by the day. Charlotte/Sasha is probably the closest thing to a hot feud right now and I hate to say it but when the women's feud is the hottest angle you have it's time to reevaluate the direction of your company. I don't get the whole Women's Revolution thing anyway or what it is trying to accomplish. I think the incessant pushing of women's wrestling just won't work and will alienate fans without bringing very many in. Don't believe me? Look at the ratings over the past year since WWE has started this "revolution." There are other causes for the decline but I do think a general lack of interest in women's wrestling from the general public is part of it.
Anyway, Raw exists in some weird shades of gray territory right now that makes no sense. I've never really seen a wrestling show that didn't have a single over top babyface (one could argue WCW in 1999-2000 I suppose). It isn't even coherent shades of gray like on SD with Ambrose/Styles/Cena, where each man has his points and goals. AJ: "I want the belt to pay off my long career and to be The Man." Ambrose: "AJ, you screwed me and I want revenge. Cena, you are a lazy part timer and I don't respect you." Cena: "I want to tie Flair's 16 titles, oh and Dean is a douche." That's all pretty easy to get. On Raw I honestly don't understand why Seth Rollins is supposed to be a face now, or any of this Foley/Steph crap, or what HHH is doing since he hasn't said. It's a shame Jericho isn't about 8 years younger. This "List" thing is getting over and they could easily turn him face and have him challenge for the title.
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Post by nisidhe on Oct 11, 2016 12:29:49 GMT -5
There is a huge missing piece in this puzzle, that brought me back to watching Raw and the absence of which is keeping me away, especially since the cause of this absence is now supposed to be someone we sympathize with.
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Post by corndog on Oct 11, 2016 12:33:33 GMT -5
As others have said directionless booking. Nothing seems to progress or build to anything. There aren't layers to the storylines, it's just this guy/girl gets a title shot. Characters aren't really going anywhere. Sure Jericho is great and I like the women's division, but outside of that they aren't giving me a reason to care about anything. The tag division is just New Day/ the Club fighting over and over again for the titles, with the hottest tag team Enzo/Cass just sitting in limbo with random fueds. A great example of how to book the tag division better is the Usos, sure they lost their title match, but have been building a feud with American Alpha the entire time, giving them a logical place to go afterwards. You rarely see this on Raw, outside of Seth and HHH. Guys in the midcard of Raw just get lost in the mix, either squashing jobbers or being put in predictable and pointless situations like Cesaro/Sheamus being tag together only to ultimately lead where they started, fighting each other.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Oct 11, 2016 12:45:13 GMT -5
There is a huge missing piece in this puzzle, that brought me back to watching Raw and the absence of which is keeping me away, especially since the cause of this absence is now supposed to be someone we sympathize with. Um, which is? ?
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