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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 23:26:23 GMT -5
So, which lasted longer: this match or CM Punk's UFC fight? Punk's fight by about a full minute.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 23:27:10 GMT -5
So we want it to be unpredictable, but get pissed at it's unpredictability. And one of you really seems to like Speedo Man. It would have been unpredictable if Goldberg rode to the ring on a tricycle dressed as a giant ice cream cone, then took a shit in the middle of the ring, that doesn't mean its the right decision. I dunno, that sounds like a winning formula to me. I'd tune into Raw the next night off of that.
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Post by cabbageboy on Nov 20, 2016 23:27:31 GMT -5
I actually went to make tea during the downtime from the survivor match to the main event. Lo and behold I came back right after introductions and then it was just...over. Haha! That was too funny. Everyone in the room (me, my brother, a friend and his wife) were all absolutely in hysterics over Goldberg squashing Lesnar. At this point I would think Lesnar would be despised by anyone with a brain and the idea of a near 50 year old Bill Goldberg crushing him is tremendous.
I can't help but think that if they had booked Goldberg like this in 2003 things might have gone differently. That said, in 2003 we were used to epic ***** type classics in the main event so I don't know if Goldberg doing a 2 minute squash would have worked. But now? We're so used to the constant kick outs, near falls, and what not that a total shock squash finish of a main event is a wild surprise. I wouldn't make a habit of it, but for tonight this was awesome.
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Post by saintpat on Nov 20, 2016 23:32:50 GMT -5
I love it when wrestling surprises me. I was watching with three other people at a friend's house (pizza/SS party) and everyone's jaw dropped. Hands over head, shocked expressions for several minutes.
To me that's good. Haters are going to hate no matter what match, what finish they get. People who were complaining that AJ Styles lost his first match to Jericho aren't now saying "Wow, I'm glad WWE is giving this guy such a great push" ... or even if they are, they're mostly focused on complaining about something else. Especially among the IWC, the vast majority are always going to complain because who wants to go to a message board to say "Well, I do like something about WWE, or I wouldn't be watching it."
As far as this being a bad business decision, a worse business decision would be to build a video game release around Goldberg and having him lose to Lesnar. Instead, they've reintroduced this irresistable force to a new generation and gave a massive pop to an older generation I who remembers Goldberg completely wrecking people in his prime.
I say good job. I was at WM30 and happily part of the Yes Fest ... but I (and everyone else) knew it was coming from a million miles away. Brock beating Taker shocked me. This shocked me. For that I'm grateful.
Now bring me the Gobbledy Gooker on Raw or SD this week and I'm good. Because I like my small comforts, too.
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Post by CMWaters on Nov 20, 2016 23:34:13 GMT -5
I was amazed and shocked at it. Was a lot like a WCW match of Goldberg's.
That said, I'll say this...save for the greyed beard, Goldberg doesn't look like he really aged since his WCW days.
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 20, 2016 23:37:13 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out why some people are mad about a match that mirrored 98% of Goldberg Matches
That's literally what made him
I think it's poetic honestly
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Post by katiemorgan67212 on Nov 20, 2016 23:37:46 GMT -5
It is one of things that you joke about but never think you will actually see. I give it a solid A+. Now I have hope that I could see a 10 second ladder match preferably MITB.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 23:38:24 GMT -5
It is one of things that you joke about but never think you will actually see. I give it a solid A+. Now I have hope that I could see a 10 second ladder match preferably MITB. Yeah, now please just have that spot of someone immediately scurrying up the ladder actually work.
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Post by Shai on Nov 20, 2016 23:41:38 GMT -5
Now that I'm done laughing...honestly this was perfect. Brock didn't take Goldberg seriously and paid for it. It fits him perfectly.
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Post by MOONDOG on Nov 20, 2016 23:42:33 GMT -5
So just to summarise - They end the streak , the best thing they had going for the old-schoolers and the once-a-year WM viewers. Also their greatest remaining link to " the Golden era " Kills Taker , the character that took 20 years to build up. I'll get to Brock in a sec but let me stay on Taker for a second. 12 months later , Bray Wyatt starts mouthing off like a dickhead at Taker , calling him washed up etc. It's meant to put himself over but common sense says it just makes him look weak and smarmy - Giving shit to a bloke who's well and truly at the end of his shelf life. Then he LOSES to Taker at WM...... So it's like " Next time Bray mouths off at anyone , are you gonna take him serious ......" So there's 2 characters ruined. Back to Brock. OK You've pulled the pin , no going back now , Brock has to dominate. And he does , makes the Big Show look more of a bitch than he ever has before , some may argue otherwise but LEGIT-THREAT Big SHow died after that. 3 characters. Then he gets to the big fish Everyone knows i'm a Cena mark so i probably judge the decision to have the match they had more harshly but can anyone argue that Cena's character has ever recovered kayfabe-wise . Squashed Superman. 4 characters.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Nov 20, 2016 23:42:38 GMT -5
This was the shortest main event in WWE history, correct?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 23:44:00 GMT -5
This was the shortest main event in WWE history, correct? Pretty sure that's Orton / Bryan at SummerSlam. Though non-Money in the Bank, pretty sure.
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Post by chazraps on Nov 20, 2016 23:45:58 GMT -5
Glacier lasted longer than Lesnar.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Nov 20, 2016 23:47:11 GMT -5
For all the 'the streak is ruined!' talk, I think Brock's two years worth of bad, lazy, impossible to beat monster booking is what ruined the value of the streak, to say nothing of the fact that the Undertaker at Wrestlemania is still a thing. I fail to see how Goldberg beating Brock makes things worse than what they are and have been.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Nov 20, 2016 23:47:47 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out why some people are mad about a match that mirrored 98% of Goldberg Matches That's literally what made him I think it's poetic honestly I was honestly kind of tuning most of the other matches out and when the Lesnar/Goldberg match was about to come on, I went and sat down in my comfy chair to specifically watch it hoping for good hardy main event. After it was over, I was just like, thats it? Like if I sat down to watch a movie on my DVR, but all it recorded was the very end. Though I wasn't really angry just disappointed.
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Post by chazraps on Nov 20, 2016 23:50:03 GMT -5
I think the real surprise comes from that the company who gave us the 2004 Lesnar-Goldberg match gave us this one. It's the exact same company. Same WWE. Same Vince McMahon.
I fully thought they were going to attempt to do a good version of what they/we thought we wanted that 2004 match at the 20th Wrestlemania to be.
Instead we got a bully finally get his comeuppens. Lesnar didn't take Goldberg seriously the whole time, was literally laughing in his face, and then Goldberg gave him his three strongest moves at three vulnerable moments.
Goldberg never lost his luster and, even retired 12 years, never fell from the invincible main eventer status. Overall, even with Brock's UFC background, it makes sense and is kayfabe believable and sets us to go in so many different directions.
I'm happy.
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Post by The Yes Man on Nov 20, 2016 23:50:23 GMT -5
Y'know the ironic thing? For all the tie-in hype, because of the way 2K17's match system works you couldn't possibly replicate that match in it. I wish it was still possible to start with saved finishers, that crap was fun as hell.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 23:51:05 GMT -5
Ryan Satin (Prowrestlingsheet.com) has said that Goldberg inked a deal to appear in the Rumble match so, he'll be in the Rumble.
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Post by Gummydavidson on Nov 20, 2016 23:52:51 GMT -5
I feel like Lesnar had a disagreement backstage so he decided to get squashed and collect his paycheck.
My friend did point out he looked super pissed off during his entrance.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 23:56:51 GMT -5
Ryan Satin (Prowrestlingsheet.com) has said that Goldberg inked a deal to appear in the Rumble match so, he'll be in the Rumble. And then Lesnar runs in to cost him the match, then they face each other at WrestleMania, then Goldberg doesn't wrestle for twelve years, then Goldberg squashes Lesnar again.
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