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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 7:39:15 GMT -5
How many years can a player be in the ballot? Cause I want Edgar in. Griffey can't be in there without his wingman! They just whittled it down to 10 years from 15. Players who already had more than 10 years are "grandfathered in" (like Tim Raines).
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Post by BRV on Jan 2, 2017 21:11:24 GMT -5
Here are my eight inductees and the reasoning behind each selection.
- Jeff Bagwell: Career .297/.408/.540 line with 449 career home runs, one of the most dominant power hitters of his era, and a surprisingly stout defensive first baseman through the first half of his career. I can't understand all of this PED talk, because unlike alleged PED users, his career fell off a cliff when he hit his late 30s, as opposed to finding new life.
- Barry Bonds: You want to put it on his plaque that he was a PED guy? Be my guest. Babe Ruth didn't have to play against players of color. Hank Aaron hit his 755 home runs in an era when amphetamines were passed around like chewable vitamins. If you look hard enough, I'm sure you could find something to accuse every baseball player ever. But don't ignore the 494 home runs, 471 stolen bases, three MVP awards and nine All-Star appearances that he achieved before his alleged steroid use began. Also, he's baseball's all-time home run king. In an era when almost everybody was cheating, he was still the most feared hitter in the game.
- Roger Clemens: Like Bonds, he was a Hall of Famer before the alleged PED use, and like Bonds he deserves enshrinement. One of the most dominant power pitchers ever, plain and simple. And like Bonds, if you want to slap an asterisk on his plaque, feel free.
- Vladimir Guerrero: He was really a comet of a player, streaking across the skies and flashing before our eyes for a decade, but his stretch from 1999 to 2007 is impossibly good. During that nine-year run, he averaged .327, hitting .320 or better six of the nine seasons and never below .300. He was a true five-tool player with power to all fields, the ability to hit the ball anywhere inside - or outside - of the strike zone, speed when he needed it, tremendous defense, and the best outfield arm since Roberto Clemente. I doubt he'll be inducted on the first ballot because he doesn't have that one eye-popping career statistic and because he spent most of his career in the anonymity of Montreal, but he was phenomenal at everything on a diamond and there was no single hitter I feared more as a Red Sox fan than Guerrero in the 2004 Divisional Series.
- Tim Raines: Played in the era of Rickey Henderson, and was stuck for most of his career in Montreal, but he absolutely deserves to be in Cooperstown. One of the most feared baserunners ever, Raines stole 808 bases in 954 attempts, for an unfathomable stolen base percentage nearing 85 percent.
- Manny Ramirez: An admittedly biased pick given my allegiances, but Manny Ramirez's credentials are impossibly to deny. He was a weapon in the batter's box, making hitting look effortless. A career .312 hitter with 555 home runs, he will face the wrath of voters because of his links to performance-enhancers but you could tell with his beautiful, natural swing that he was just made for baseball. He would have been a .300 hitter even if he didn't juice, as he and Albert Pujols were nos. 1 and 1a as the best right-handed hitters of their era.
- Ivan Rodriguez: An otherworldly talent behind the plate, Pudge is on the Mount Rushmore of catchers right alongside Johnny Bench, Carlton Fisk, and Mike Piazza. A 14-time All-Star who also won 13 Gold Gloves including 10 straight from 1992 to 2001, Rodriguez was the rare combination of defense and offense as a catcher during the 1990s and 2000s. Had he not hung on well beyond his shelf life, he would have easily retired with a career .300 batting average.
- Curt Schilling: My 2014 and 2015 ballots did not include Schilling, but I've warmed to his candidacy over the past few years. He doesn't have longevity on his side, having been an ace pitcher for about a decade and he never won a Cy Young Award, but he was a bulldog on the mound and was the kind of guy you could hand the ball to in October and know he'd get the job done. 11-2 with a 2.23 ERA in 19 postseason starts, Schilling was a driving force on three World Series champions and four World Series finalists spread over 14 years. While his starts in the 2004 postseason were memorable for how he gutted out an ankle injury, his performance in the 2001 World Series is one of the single most dominant playoff pitching performances ever.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Jan 3, 2017 23:40:32 GMT -5
- Vladimir Guerrero: He was really a comet of a player, streaking across the skies and flashing before our eyes for a decade, but his stretch from 1999 to 2007 is impossibly good. During that nine-year run, he averaged .327, hitting .320 or better six of the nine seasons and never below .300. He was a true five-tool player with power to all fields, the ability to hit the ball anywhere inside - or outside - of the strike zone, speed when he needed it, tremendous defense, and the best outfield arm since Roberto Clemente. Very nice.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 4, 2017 0:40:29 GMT -5
Just reminding everyone to get thier votes in. The results will be revealed 6 PM tonight.
My picks: Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Vladimir Guerrero Edgar Martinez Manny Ramirez Ivan Rodriguez Curt Schilling
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Jan 4, 2017 1:35:30 GMT -5
Just reminding everyone to get thier votes in. The results will be revealed 6 PM tonight. My picks: Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Vladimir Guerrero Edgar Martinez Manny Ramirez Ivan Rodriguez Curt Schilling No Bagwell? Still mad at the Andersen Train?
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 4, 2017 19:11:39 GMT -5
Well the votes are in and after 3 years of only voting in only two players this year we got a remarkably different result. This year we're voting in NOBODY!
That's right, shockingly not a single player got the necessary 75% (29.25 votes) to qualify.
Jeff Bagwell came the closest falling two votes short with 28 votes (71.80%). Barry Bonds came in second with 24 (61.54%) followed by Ivan Rodriguez who got 23 (58.97%) in his first year on the ballot and Trevor Hoffman who got 22 (56.41%). Amazingly, Vladimir Guerrero, who I thought would be a shoo-in only got 21 votes (53.85%), placing him in a tie with Roger Clemens for 5th.
There were 275 votes cast by 39 perplexed which means the average voter voted for 7 players. And no one voted for a blank ballot but those 275 votes got spread out enough that nobody got the 75% needed.
What can I say? I'm shocked by this result. I hope the candidates have better luck in the actual HOF vote in a couple of weeks. Thank you to all who voted. We'll do this again next year.
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Post by BRV on Jan 5, 2017 18:07:53 GMT -5
And with that comes my annual reminder that for all the caterwauling that we baseball fans perform over the BBWAA and their Hall of Fame voting, there are so many worse options out there.
Also, who among you voted for J.D. Drew? SHOW YOURSELF!!!
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Post by angryfan on Jan 5, 2017 18:46:14 GMT -5
And with that comes my annual reminder that for all the caterwauling that we baseball fans perform over the BBWAA and their Hall of Fame voting, there are so many worse options out there. Also, who among you voted for J.D. Drew? SHOW YOURSELF!!! Spoiler alert, he actually spends his days voting for himself in online Hall of Fame polls.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 9:36:59 GMT -5
And with that comes my annual reminder that for all the caterwauling that we baseball fans perform over the BBWAA and their Hall of Fame voting, there are so many worse options out there. Also, who among you voted for J.D. Drew? SHOW YOURSELF!!! 2 guys voted for Arthur Rhodes and none for Magglio Ordoñez, which is even goofier. (Mike Cameron getting 2 I understand, he did hit 4 HR in a game once.) This is like that year 1 person voted for Jose Offerman.
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