HHH reign of terror or Hogan reign 96-99

[JTG Fan]

At least Hogan's drew money

[CMPunkyBrewster]

I always love these threads, almost solely because I love watching the IWC try to convince themselves that Triple H wasn't a huge star.

[Ben Wyatt]

HHH. As others pointed out, he put Benoit and Batista over clean as a sheet at consecutive Wrestlemanias.

Hogan put over..... an old as f*** Piper and Luger (who was submarined just days later) and when it came time to REALLY put someone over (Sting), he didnt. Sure, he lost, but after dominating the match and only losing under the most convoluted of finishes T

[dav]

Hogan, if only because he didn't have the whole Booker T aspect of his reign.

[Mozenrath]

Dec 12, 2016 3:48:44 GMT -5 Big Bad Kahuna said:

Both sucked the life out of any mark, but Hogan's losses to Luger, Sting and Goldberg were at least big deals because FINALLY someone beat his old cheating ass

HHH losing to Shawn, Goldberg wasn't nearly as big, the Benoit WM20 win was great though

Batista beating Triple H was basically what Goldberg beating Hogan should have been, in terms of follow up.

[Mozenrath]

Dec 12, 2016 8:57:18 GMT -5 CMPunkyBrewster said:

I always love these threads, almost solely because I love watching the IWC try to convince themselves that Triple H wasn't a huge star.

But he dated Stephanie, retroactively giving him a title reign that happened when he barely knew her and was with Chyna.

[Toilet Paper Roll]

Hogan didn't wrestle as often so it seemed like a bigger deal when he actually did. Yeah the matches were punches, stomps, weight belt shots and back takes all while Hogan sweated like he just climbed fifty flights of stairs, but the matches seemed more important.

Triple H's reign of terror would have been more palatable if he hadn't been designated 5-10 segments per show.

[DragonMasterP]

The Hogan reign, for sure. Everything HHH has ever done is dull as dirt in my eyes.

[Rolent Tex]

Hogan didn't f*** a mannequin while dressed as Kane on live tv during 96-99.

Advantage: Hogan

[Citizen Snips]

Dec 12, 2016 9:06:19 GMT -5 dav said:

Hogan, if only because he didn't have the whole Booker T aspect of his reign.

Ironically, it was Booker T throwing racial epithets at Hogan during that reign!

[GuyOfOwnage]

I'm going to have to go with Hogan. In 97, it was clear they were building towards the big Starrcade match, so you actually wanted Hogan to hold on to the belt just so Sting could end the nWo Reign of Terror. That, and the undercard was just so damn entertaining that you almost forgot Hogan was even there.

[cabbageboy]

Hogan's heel turn reinvigorated the entire business and made WCW the #1 promotion for a solid 2 year period. HHH's title runs from 2002-05 saw WWE's business go into a downturn in the post Attitude Era and also buried several potential top babyfaces. If you didn't like Hogan, you could watch Raw. If you didn't like HHH, you could either watch SD or just stop watching entirely.

[The Dark Order Inferno]

Dec 12, 2016 8:57:18 GMT -5 CMPunkyBrewster said:

I always love these threads, almost solely because I love watching the IWC try to convince themselves that Triple H wasn't a huge star.

If Triple H was a huge star, business wouldn't have declined while he was booked as the (Heel) face of the company. It was in a period when the global economy was still strong, a period where they had no competition whatsoever yet business sank across the board when things were built around Triple H. Being the only game in town is the sole reason the decline during the reign of terror wasn't worse for their business, like Hulk Hogan's similar run as a heel protected like a face was in 1998-9.

Guy is a big name in wrestling terms but his actual drawing power is highly questionable, he benefited greatly from Vince feeling that he was in a position to dictate to the fans who's going to be a main event star, ss what are fans going to do, turn off? Oh wait, they did. Ratings declined until 2005 when Cena was drafted to Raw with the WWE world title.

[Mozenrath]

Dec 12, 2016 10:21:17 GMT -5 The Dark Order Inferno said:

Dec 12, 2016 8:57:18 GMT -5 CMPunkyBrewster said:

I always love these threads, almost solely because I love watching the IWC try to convince themselves that Triple H wasn't a huge star.

If Triple H was a huge star, business wouldn't have declined while he was booked as the (Heel) face of the company. It was in a period when the global economy was still strong, a period where they had no competition whatsoever yet business sank across the board when Triple H was booked as the face of the company. Being the only game in town is the sole reason the decline during the reign of terror wasn't worse for their business, like Hulk Hogan's similar run as a heel protected like a face was in 1998-9.

Guy is a big name in wrestling terms but his actual drawing power is highly questionable, he benefited greatly from Vince feeling that he was in a position to dictate who's going to be a main event star, ss what are fans going to do, turn off? Oh wait, they did. Ratings declined until 2005 when Cena was drafted to Raw with the WWE world title.

We're overlooking a big part of why I don't think that's an entirely fair comparison, and that is quality of challengers.

Yeah, Hogan's run drew, at first, but he also had guys like Sting to build to shows with. Gimp foot Steiner wasn't exactly going to be a blockbuster, no matter who the champ was.

By the end, though, it wasn't enough. Hogan got phased hard out of WCW for a reason. By the time it happened, he absolutely was not worth his paycheck, which even then included shit like 1/4th the gate on house shows he was on, of which they had to give him several shows a year by contract. Do you still get to play the "but who drew?" card when you're actively costing the company money to book you, not making it?

[Juice]

Hhh was better than given credit for

[The Dark Order Inferno]

Dec 12, 2016 10:27:09 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

[]We're overlooking a big part of why I don't think that's an entirely fair comparison, and that is quality of challengers.

Yeah, Hogan's run drew, at first, but he also had guys like Sting to build to shows with. Gimp foot Steiner wasn't exactly going to be a blockbuster, no matter who the champ was.

By the end, though, it wasn't enough. Hogan got phased hard out of WCW for a reason. By the time it happened, he absolutely was not worth his paycheck, which even then included shit like 1/4th the gate on house shows he was on, of which they had to give him several shows a year by contract. Do you still get to play the "but who drew?" card when you're actively costing the company money to book you, not making it?

Dropfoot Steiner wouldn't have been put in the ring in that state if they weren't so desperate for guys to feed to Triple H as part of their attempt to make him the face of the company. They hired him knowing full well he was virtually immobile unless he had surgery, but wanted a WCW guy that hadn't been destroyed by the InVasion to put him over clean.

Hogan and Sting drew because Hogan showed fear, guys around Hogan would clear out when Sting would appear to make him look good in the build up, if it were Triple H in Hogan's place, he would be running down Sting in promos, with Sting stood there, nodding in agreement to every criticism and saying things along the lines of 'You're right, I'm not as good as you, you're a muscular wrestling Jesus I wish I could be like, but I'm still going to win', which makes him look like an ass, something that happened repeatedly with people put up against Triple H. They would also bring up Sting's struggles with substances and alcohol around that time, not in an overcoming adversity way but 'HAH, THIS GUY HAS REAL LIFE ISSUES, JR!' that we saw with Booker T.

If you make your opponents look inferior in the build up, the match and the aftermath, people are going to remember them as being inferior. At least Hogan had the sense to let his opponents look good in the build up, but after half a decade of being protected in the match and the aftermath, no-one was buying what he was selling anymore so business dropped of a cliff, while it took Triple H half the time to make Raw stagnate.

[MichaelMartini]

Hogan's run was far more entertaining. HHH invented the heel heat by boring the audience to death. All of my friends except one (a HHH mark) stopped watching wrestling forever during the reign of terror.

[Deleted]

Hogan. And I'll admit that 96-99 was during a time when I was just getting used to WCW, versus watching WWF get horribly lame & tired and then shake the shit up so violently. The WCW mood was more enjoyable, to think about and sit thru, for some reason.

[corndog]

Dec 12, 2016 11:33:19 GMT -5 The Dark Order Inferno said:

Dec 12, 2016 10:27:09 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

[]We're overlooking a big part of why I don't think that's an entirely fair comparison, and that is quality of challengers.

Yeah, Hogan's run drew, at first, but he also had guys like Sting to build to shows with. Gimp foot Steiner wasn't exactly going to be a blockbuster, no matter who the champ was.

By the end, though, it wasn't enough. Hogan got phased hard out of WCW for a reason. By the time it happened, he absolutely was not worth his paycheck, which even then included shit like 1/4th the gate on house shows he was on, of which they had to give him several shows a year by contract. Do you still get to play the "but who drew?" card when you're actively costing the company money to book you, not making it?

Dropfoot Steiner wouldn't have been put in the ring in that state if they weren't so desperate for guys to feed to Triple H as part of their attempt to make him the face of the company, they hired him knowing full well he was virtually immobile but wanted a WCW guy that hadn't been destroyed by the InVasion to put him over clean.

Hogan and Sting drew because Hogan showed fear, guys around Hogan would clear out when Sting would appear to make him look good in the build up, if it were Triple H in Hogan's place, he would be running down Sting in promos, with Sting stood there, nodding in agreement to every criticism and saying things along the lines of 'You're right, I'm not as good as you, you're a muscular wrestling Jesus I wish I could be like, but I'm still going to win', which makes him look like an ass, something that happened repeatedly with people put up against Triple H. They would also bring up Sting's struggles with substances and alcohol around that time, not in an overcoming adversity way but 'HAH, THIS GUY HAS REAL LIFE ISSUES, JR!' that we saw with Booker T.

If you make your opponents look inferior in the build up, the match and the aftermath, people are going to remember the feuds as being inferior. At least Hogan had the sense to let his opponents look good in the build up, but after half a decade of being protected in the match and the aftermath, no-one was buying what he was selling anymore so business dropped of a cliff, while it took Triple H half the time to make Raw stagnate.

^ This times 100. I stopped watching during HHH's reign of terror, because of everything you said. While Hogan was dominant in the ring during his reign of terror, although mainly through cheating, he always made the other guys look good. I remember seeing matches on Nitro with DDP and the Giant, where he made the guys look like a million bucks and that they were completely capable of beating him. His trash talk was so over the top and ridiculous, it didn't even make the opponents look bad at all. Where as HHH completely buried his opponents on the mic and then beat them in the ring, without giving anything back. Even more interesting after hearing his buddy, Kevin Nash say in a shoot that the bookers in WCW had no power over him and Hall, since losing the matches didn't matter when you could bury them on the microphone. I remember the one guy who got to make him look remotely vulnerable on the mic, RVD, lost to him cleanly in 10 minutes in a ppv main event. That was when I was done.

Basically, Hogan got the art of being a heel champ. Make people want to see you get your butt kicked and make the audience believe your opponent can beat you. Flair was a master of this and it's the reason he was champ so many times. Hell Flair made people believe Ricky Morton could take the belt off him. HHH got the first part, but the second was where he massively failed.

[Pushed to the Moon]

When exactly was the reign of terror?