Woo
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Post by Woo on Dec 13, 2016 14:23:54 GMT -5
Hogan during that time frame was abysmal and makes 2003 HHH or 1996 HBK look generous. I still can't believe that Hogan changed the booking for the WW3 battle royal during the match and playing his creative control clause. Wait. How he do that?! Supposedly the plan was that the Giant was to throw Hogan over the top rope and Savage was going to win, but mid-match Hogan told the referees and the higher-ups that the Giant was going to pull him under the rope instead so he could come back in the ring and ruin Savage's first WCW Championship win and make it all about himself (like Savage's first WWF title win) with his in-character complaining.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 13, 2016 14:50:48 GMT -5
Supposedly the plan was that the Giant was to throw Hogan over the top rope and Savage was going to win, but mid-match Hogan told the referees and the higher-ups that the Giant was going to pull him under the rope instead so he could come back in the ring and ruin Savage's first WCW Championship win and make it all about himself (like Savage's first WWF title win) with his in-character complaining. Complaining? More like bitching and moaning and the crowd having none of it.
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Reflecto
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 13, 2016 15:17:17 GMT -5
I don't quite agree on the Hogan assessment. The kayfabe could be "this man has beaten every challenger that's faced him for a two decades and, while he has begun taking shortcuts to get ahead without as much effort, he still is a very dangerous man - especially when cornered the way Sting has cornered him". Saying its a surprise that Hogan could beat up and dominate Sting is blatantly ignoring nearly 20 years of kayfabe prior to that point. Hogan had physically overpowered everyone he ever faced. Why would Sting be different? In a real sports sense, "Hogan wins again because he's the best" isn't the preferred story, but it's not unrealistic. That's a decent point. I thought Sting should've won clean but after a brutal war, not a squash match like so many others though (or had impressed upon them by the authors of The Death of WCW). It's the same vantage point Jim Ross used in one of my favorite calls five years later when Hogan hit Rock with his legdrop. To younger fans seeing a old guy simply drop a leg on the Rock and not be too concerned, hearing JR yell out " He beat Andre the Giant with that move!!!" had to impress on them just what they were seeing and the real trouble Rock was in. In kayfabe, Hogan was always seen as what Gorilla Monsoon dubbed him at Wrestlemania 3, The Unstoppable Force. Those are fair, but it's not the moment that I mean for the Starrcade '97 moment. Hogan being really good against Sting and going down after a big fight- that is natural. Hogan going to Nick Patrick and turning a fast count into a borderline slow count just to make it look like Sting lost and Hogan was screwed by WCW? That's a WORLD of difference and THAT was bad.
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thecrusherwi
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Post by thecrusherwi on Dec 13, 2016 15:28:26 GMT -5
That's a decent point. I thought Sting should've won clean but after a brutal war, not a squash match like so many others though (or had impressed upon them by the authors of The Death of WCW). It's the same vantage point Jim Ross used in one of my favorite calls five years later when Hogan hit Rock with his legdrop. To younger fans seeing a old guy simply drop a leg on the Rock and not be too concerned, hearing JR yell out " He beat Andre the Giant with that move!!!" had to impress on them just what they were seeing and the real trouble Rock was in. In kayfabe, Hogan was always seen as what Gorilla Monsoon dubbed him at Wrestlemania 3, The Unstoppable Force. Those are fair, but it's not the moment that I mean for the Starrcade '97 moment. Hogan being really good against Sting and going down after a big fight- that is natural. Hogan going to Nick Patrick and turning a fast count into a borderline slow count just to make it look like Sting lost and Hogan was screwed by WCW? That's a WORLD of difference and THAT was bad. True there is no defending that ending. Even if Hogan had hit the leg drop and there is no ref to make the count and then Bret comes out, it would've been much much better.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 15:45:06 GMT -5
One reign happened during the peak of wrestling's popularity, and the other was HHH.
Yeah, Hogan and it's not even close. Anything HHH did after his quad injury has been crap to me.
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Post by MrElijah on Dec 13, 2016 16:03:45 GMT -5
Supposedly the plan was that the Giant was to throw Hogan over the top rope and Savage was going to win, but mid-match Hogan told the referees and the higher-ups that the Giant was going to pull him under the rope instead so he could come back in the ring and ruin Savage's first WCW Championship win and make it all about himself (like Savage's first WWF title win) with his in-character complaining. Christ. Could Savage get his?! Makes him calling out Hogan's bullshit that much more awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 17:00:09 GMT -5
Supposedly the plan was that the Giant was to throw Hogan over the top rope and Savage was going to win, but mid-match Hogan told the referees and the higher-ups that the Giant was going to pull him under the rope instead so he could come back in the ring and ruin Savage's first WCW Championship win and make it all about himself (like Savage's first WWF title win) with his in-character complaining. Christ. Could Savage get his?! Makes him calling out Hogan's bullshit that much more awesome Every Savage world title win involved Hogan in some way, OSW Review covered it in one of the recent episodes.
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Post by MrElijah on Dec 13, 2016 17:44:42 GMT -5
Christ. Could Savage get his?! Makes him calling out Hogan's bullshit that much more awesome Every Savage world title win involved Hogan in some way, OSW Review covered it in one of the recent episodes. That I do know. Funny enough Every World Title run of his was ended by Hogan or Flair.
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