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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 21, 2016 16:18:41 GMT -5
If it got windy and a power line blew over, ISIS would claim the wind was working for them. Didn't they claim responsibility for that guy who planted bombs in NYC over the summer-only for it to turn out his motivation was charged against his family's chicken restaurant? I'd have let them have that one, because those 2 turned out to be the most comically incompetent domestic terrorists in history
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 21, 2016 17:26:03 GMT -5
IS benefit greatly from 24/7 news channels. It helps them spread their message and makes them look glamourous to mentally unstable young Muslim men and women who have no significant identity beyond an ideology of violence (most having only a superficial or barely-existent knowledge of the faith they profess). I can only imagine how much more successful the IRA would have been with Sky News covering their every action and statements on loop every hour. The media coverage also contributes to spreading more fear and paranoia in society despite attacks in the west being relatively rare. Six attacks related to Islamic extremism in Britain since 2000. By comparison, just in 1980, the year of my birth, there were 40 IRA attacks.
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Post by dirtyoldman on Dec 21, 2016 17:47:09 GMT -5
Things like this are why I am against countries taking in refugees. I will just leave it at that. it's a disgrace that the moderators have let this comment stay up, I would get myself banned if I really wanted to say to see what I wanted to this person There's that line about disagreeing with someone but fight for their right for them to say it.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Dec 21, 2016 18:29:15 GMT -5
it's a disgrace that the moderators have let this comment stay up, I would get myself banned if I really wanted to say to see what I wanted to this person There's that line about disagreeing with someone but fight for their right for them to say it. What do you mean in regards to this forum?
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Dec 21, 2016 19:56:47 GMT -5
There's that line about disagreeing with someone but fight for their right for them to say it. What do you mean in regards to this forum? Fuzzy's post was made within the forum's guidelines. He was not disrespectful, did not use prohibited language, did not wish harm upon anyone, etc. That you disagree with his opinion, oh well. He has the ability to post it, and you have the ability to disagree.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Dec 21, 2016 20:09:20 GMT -5
What do you mean in regards to this forum? Fuzzy's post was made within the forum's guidelines. He was not disrespectful, did not use prohibited language, did not wish harm upon anyone, etc. That you disagree with his opinion, oh well. He has the ability to post it, and you have the ability to disagree. I did have a long reply planned but honestly my beef is not with you or even Fuzzy for that matter, I just feel there is a time and place for such comments like that as it's extremely difficult to reply to comments like that without getting political etc.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 21, 2016 22:54:48 GMT -5
What do you mean in regards to this forum? Fuzzy's post was made within the forum's guidelines. He was not disrespectful, did not use prohibited language, did not wish harm upon anyone, etc. That you disagree with his opinion, oh well. He has the ability to post it, and you have the ability to disagree. Yes, he did. You know what a refugee is, right? By saying you don't think countries should take in refugees, you're wishing death upon thousands of innocent people. That's not in the forum's guidelines at all.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 21, 2016 22:55:49 GMT -5
it's a disgrace that the moderators have let this comment stay up, I would get myself banned if I really wanted to say to see what I wanted to this person There's that line about disagreeing with someone but fight for their right for them to say it. I don't think someone should have the right to advocate genocide on this forum.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Dec 21, 2016 23:09:40 GMT -5
Fuzzy's post was made within the forum's guidelines. He was not disrespectful, did not use prohibited language, did not wish harm upon anyone, etc. That you disagree with his opinion, oh well. He has the ability to post it, and you have the ability to disagree. Yes, he did. You know what a refugee is, right? By saying you don't think countries should take in refugees, you're wishing death upon thousands of innocent people. That's not in the forum's guidelines at all. And there's the manufactured implying argument right on time.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 21, 2016 23:13:27 GMT -5
Yes, he did. You know what a refugee is, right? By saying you don't think countries should take in refugees, you're wishing death upon thousands of innocent people. That's not in the forum's guidelines at all. And there's the manufactured implying argument right on time. What's the alternative to another country not taking in refugees?
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Dec 21, 2016 23:42:44 GMT -5
And there's the manufactured implying argument right on time. What's the alternative to another country not taking in refugees? That's not up to the countries that choose not to take in refugees. Your argument is obviously that inaction is tantamount to condemning the refugees. I'm not arguing that, my whole dog in this fight is about the severe overreaction to fuzzy's opinion solely because it's not shared by others. And predictably, the argument against fuzzy has moved from the issues to attacking fuzzy's character. "If you hold this opinion, you are the type of person that advocates genocide!"
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Post by chazraps on Dec 21, 2016 23:56:12 GMT -5
What's the alternative to another country not taking in refugees? That's not up to the countries that choose not to take in refugees. Your argument is obviously that inaction is tantamount to condemning the refugees. I'm not arguing that, my whole dog in this fight is about the severe overreaction to fuzzy's opinion solely because it's not shared by others. And predictably, the argument against fuzzy has moved from the issues to attacking fuzzy's character. "If you hold this opinion, you are the type of person that advocates genocide!" When you casually drop "this is why I'm against countries taking in refugees" when refugees hadn't been mentioned at all in the topic, there's an gigantic jump of logic and horrendous implication being made. Imagine it's 1940 and during a conversation about the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor, someone just says "Things like this are why I am against countries taking in Jews. I will just leave it at that." It's going out of one's way to imply an entire group of people in a conversation that has nothing to do with them. On top of that, we're talking Refugees. A displaced people who've gone through hell, who have nowhere to go. Innocent people who've done nothing to us or anyone, and they're being burned to death, tortured and shot down during ceasefires while attempting to flee their homes. Fuzzy's statement was ghastly. I'm not saying Fuzzy is ghastly because maybe he's been given misinformation, which is why I attempted to start a dialogue about this. Do you now see why his statement is so incredibly hurtful and problematic?
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Dec 22, 2016 0:08:06 GMT -5
That's not up to the countries that choose not to take in refugees. Your argument is obviously that inaction is tantamount to condemning the refugees. I'm not arguing that, my whole dog in this fight is about the severe overreaction to fuzzy's opinion solely because it's not shared by others. And predictably, the argument against fuzzy has moved from the issues to attacking fuzzy's character. "If you hold this opinion, you are the type of person that advocates genocide!" When you casually drop "this is why I'm against countries taking in refugees" when refugees hadn't been mentioned at all in the topic, there's an gigantic jump of logic and horrendous implication being made. Imagine it's 1940 and during a conversation about the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor, someone just says "Things like this are why I am against countries taking in Jews. I will just leave it at that." It's going out of one's way to imply an entire group of people in a conversation that has nothing to do with them. On top of that, we're talking Refugees. A displaced people who've gone through hell, who have nowhere to go. Innocent people who've done nothing to us or anyone, and they're being burned to death, tortured and shot down during ceasefires while attempting to flee their homes. Fuzzy's statement was ghastly. I'm not saying Fuzzy is ghastly because maybe he's been given misinformation, which is why I attempted to start a dialogue about this. Do you now see why his statement is so incredibly hurtful and problematic? Refugees had been mentioned. Two posts before fuzzy's, to be exact. And I never didn't see how people could be outraged over fuzzy's post. My argument had simply been he followed the forum guidelines when posting, he did nothing wrong. You clearly think otherwise, so go argue with the moderators about it. I also can't help but notice fuzzy has been absent since that one single post. So I'm going to go ahead and stop arguing about him or on his behalf or whatever. I hope to find you in another more fun thread, chaz!
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 22, 2016 12:10:57 GMT -5
The main suspect is from Tunisia, and moved to Italy in 2011 to evade an arrest warrant. He was not from, nor did he ever go to Syria. All I'm saying.
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 22, 2016 13:28:07 GMT -5
The main suspect is from Tunisia, and moved to Italy in 2011 to evade an arrest warrant. He was not from, nor did he ever go to Syria. All I'm saying. Hell, Tunisia has been one of the few countries in the region that hasn't seen a lot of this crap.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Dec 22, 2016 23:25:28 GMT -5
The main suspect is from Tunisia, and moved to Italy in 2011 to evade an arrest warrant. He was not from, nor did he ever go to Syria. All I'm saying. Hell, Tunisia has been one of the few countries in the region that hasn't seen a lot of this crap. Actually, they had a revolution in late 2010 which resulted in two governments changing.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 23, 2016 17:04:21 GMT -5
Things like this are why I am against countries taking in refugees. I will just leave it at that. it's a disgrace that the moderators have let this comment stay up, I would get myself banned if I really wanted to say to see what I wanted to this person I think the real disgrace is that four people saw this comment and liked it.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 23, 2016 18:19:17 GMT -5
Justice. I'd hope. You always know when one of these threads pop up that it won't be soon before another one like it emerges
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Dec 24, 2016 1:02:08 GMT -5
Things like this are why I am against countries taking in refugees. I will just leave it at that. Twas an immigrant from Tunisia, not a refugee. Don't think you have a clue about the difference though anyway
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