Perfect Timing
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Post by Perfect Timing on Dec 25, 2016 14:04:23 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me?
I rarerly watched shows since it's birth. Come to think of it, I have only watched maybe 10-12 episodes of Impact from start to finish. The rest I will watch until I am bored and then channel change. I always remember being entertained for a good bit and although the production wasn't at WWE level I enjoyed a lot of the performers. How did it sink so bad...I'm asking this because in 2011 the show still looked like a decent wrestling show. Right about now when I turn on the TV and watch the show it's a indy fed with a dodgy cameraman and nothing is consistent.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 25, 2016 14:14:01 GMT -5
Dixie's arrogance happened.
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Post by Stu on Dec 25, 2016 16:55:01 GMT -5
Give it a day and skim through the MS Paint thread. That'll give you the gist of things.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 25, 2016 19:52:12 GMT -5
They changed networks to the former TV guide channel and do pathetic ratings.
They couldn't afford to rent their offices so they had to move to a basement.
They got evicted from said basement and moved to a warehouse next to a junkyard.
Neo Nazis are running the production and almost ended up owning tna.
They lost their business license in Tennessee.
Tennessee filed a tax lien against them.
American Express sued them for unpaid bills.
Billy Corgan saved them and he got repaid by being hustled and Dixie calling him a loan shark.
While the company is dying Dixie tweeted about her action figure.
And that's just 2016....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2016 20:26:08 GMT -5
Essentially boils down to when Hogan came in they spent a ton of money they didn't have between bringing in all kinds of new people and taking Impact on the road. They couldn't afford it and just hemorrhaged money like crazy, leading to Panda cutting them off, leading to most of the actual stars leaving, them doing massive block tapings, and a general more cheap feel to everything.
This wasn't helped by Spike dropping them - which was supposed to only be for a retool of the network (despite TNA doing things like doing man-on-woman violence against their wishes and secretly hiring Russo when they had been explicitly told not to) with them moving over to CMT, but Dixie instead opted to go with Destination America because they were promising multiple shows besides just Impact, all of which were cancelled almost immediately - and then DA cut them within a year, due to a mix of ratings well below what TNA was promising, Dixie first accidentally emailing the head of the network a message calling him a dummy, and Dixie no-showing a meeting with them - and now they're on Pop TV, which is the former TV Guide Channel, basically bringing in no money at all due to working out a deal to split advertising rates only to basically not attract any sponsors at all.
So this has led to TNA repeatedly coming within hours of dying, to where Dixie had to do things to get by like put up part of the company to their production company - their second after dropping the first because they wanted to actually be paid - and bait Billy Corgan into financing multiple shows by way of promising him a stake in the company if it became insolvent while secretly working behind his back to sell the thing to someone else instead, with Anthem - the owner of the Canadian channel Fight Network - at the forefront but also there were negotiations with WWE during that time. At the time being they are either owned or in the process of coming into ownership by Anthem, but they also are still doing the massive block tapings, just lost their UK TV deal, and are presumably about to lose their Indian TV deal because they've two years in a row failed to honor their contractual obligation to tour there, so that's two of their very few sources of income out and it's fairly likely Anthem might sooner rather than later decide they're more trouble than they're worth and either shut TNA down or sell it off.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 25, 2016 20:31:43 GMT -5
TNA happened.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 25, 2016 21:09:11 GMT -5
15 or so years of mismanagement.
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Post by Ash Kingston on Dec 25, 2016 21:23:01 GMT -5
Oh, this is easy.
Manglement happened. Manglement and about thirty separate deals with the Canadian Devil to ensure the company will survive the end of time.
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Post by Sicho100 on Dec 26, 2016 1:00:41 GMT -5
They wasted too much money on gimmicks that didn't do anything for them. And it caught up to them.
Rather than focusing on fresh, up-and-coming guys that they could make into stars that people would want to tune in to see (and, theoretically, pay to see) - which they actually did do a bit in the mid-2000s (say, with AJ, Joe, Monty Brown, Daniels, etc) - they instead flushed money down the drain on desperate attempts to try to seem relevant.
Bringing in Hogan and Bischoff (and all the older wrestlers that came in with them - the Nasty Boys, Val Venis, etc), going live, leaving the Impact Zone, going up against Raw for some stupid reason, all cost the company a lot - both in terms of money, and in audience (constantly moving nights, as they did with the Monday Night Skirmish and, like, five times since, and going up against your juggernaut of a competitor are bad ideas if you want to maintain your audience, never mind grow it). Hell, they bought a billboard in Stamford, CT just to try to troll WWE!
Instead, they should have continued to focus on more home-grown guys (when I say home-grown, I mean, essentially, not guys that had been significant players in WWE, WCW, and ECW. Obviously people like Joe didn't get their start in TNA, and people like AJ and Daniels had been in WCW for a cup of tea, but they weren't guys who had been all over national TV for years). They didn't. And so, when those guys began leaving the company, TNA didn't exactly have anyone ready to fill their shoes. And here we are.
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Post by jimmyjames on Dec 26, 2016 4:32:15 GMT -5
Ther wasn't one big incident. As The Dysco Inferno said, it's been 15 years of mismanagement that's come to a fruition and there's no major channel, or high profile signing to cover it up anymore. Now TNA is bare ass to the world for everyone to see how inept they are.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Dec 26, 2016 13:35:15 GMT -5
Ther wasn't one big incident. As The Dysco Inferno said, it's been 15 years of mismanagement that's come to a fruition and there's no major channel, or high profile signing to cover it up anymore. Now TNA is bare ass to the world for everyone to see how inept they are. And, amazingly, they are still in business somehow.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 26, 2016 13:44:28 GMT -5
Ther wasn't one big incident. As The Dysco Inferno said, it's been 15 years of mismanagement that's come to a fruition and there's no major channel, or high profile signing to cover it up anymore. Now TNA is bare ass to the world for everyone to see how inept they are. Yeah, people talk about them wasting money on Hogan (which yeah they did) but they threw big money contracts at people well before that because Panda would cover it. Not to mention signing just about every person fired from the WWE regardless of they were worth the money or not, while neglecting or flat out hamstringing their homegrown talent in the process. They also had the benefit of the doubt for a long time (probably way too long honestly) that they were a new company and they are going to make some mistakes before righting the ship... and eventually you can't use that as an excuse anymore, especially when they have been alive longer than ECW, and the WCW brand.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 26, 2016 21:39:33 GMT -5
It is easy to blame it all on Dixie (shit, really is all on her but that doesn't make for much talk) but it also goes deeper. She came into this and for whatever reason bought into Vince Russo's insanity, then let Kurt Angle and later Jeff Hardy work drugged up, followed that up with Eric Bischoff and Hulk Hogan playing her for the money mark she is/was, and ended with her thinking she could be a TV star and TNA was the short cut to that.
She let those things lead her, and thus TNA, down the wrong path. The trust and love of Russo turned into the final nail in their deal with Spike as she employed him despite their warnings.
She let Bischoff and Hogan take them live and on the road despite the cost being too great which took a company floating with breaking even to on the verge of shutting down and running 3 times a year.
She let guys with obvious drug issues like Angle and Hardy (not to forget Raven, Dustin Rhodes and God knows who else) work and work on TV and PPV, putting talent at risk and dragging down TNA.
Then after making her on camera debut as a character at the urging of Bischoff and Hogan, she became convinced she was the draw and used TNA to try and get a reality show of her own at the expense of the roster.
Finally, and this is all on her, she values ex-WWE, WCW, ECW guys over everyone else, damaging and driving away guys like Styles, Roode, Joe, EY, Daniels, Storm, and Magnus to name just a few.
She also refuses to believe or hear any criticism, making any attempt to fix things impossible.
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Post by kevin on Dec 27, 2016 22:24:55 GMT -5
Going on the road and live I think was he killer. They probably could have kept going a lot longer without selling had they not done that. Losing Spike was probably a death spiral but I have not seen an episode wince that happened so I can't say for sure. Reaction getting cancelled had to have hurt a lot. What I think was their worst idea though was GutCheck. Having one episode each month devoted to a person who would likely never be seen again even if they won was horrible. The judge panel with its bizarre both kayfabe and non kayfabe discussions on how they should vote were as bad as wrestling gets. That had to have driven fans away.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Dec 27, 2016 22:59:51 GMT -5
What happened to you TNA? You use to be cool!
Well, actually you were never cool, but my point remains valid!
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 28, 2016 1:04:45 GMT -5
TNA wanted WWE-level success and money without actually putting in the work to achieve it. Dixie thought she could bring people in to do the hard stuff (like, y'know, putting on a wrestling show) and it has never recovered from those people screwing her over. And the funny thing about it is, I honestly can't blame Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff, and all of the friends they brought in. I mean, these guys dealt with actual businessmen like Vince and Ted Turner; ruthless guys who knew what the hell they were doing and what they wanted to achieve. Why wouldn't they take advantage of some "southern belle" who only wants to be on TV and get a reality show while spending her parents' money? Yeah, I feel bad for the talent who had to deal with it, but who wouldn't run with a situation like that?
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Post by Woo on Dec 28, 2016 5:40:19 GMT -5
Also the show's colour turned from red to blue which instantly made it look cheap and low-budget somehow.
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 28, 2016 10:56:59 GMT -5
It went Full Dixie
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 28, 2016 12:06:35 GMT -5
It is easy to blame it all on Dixie (shit, really is all on her but that doesn't make for much talk) but it also goes deeper. She came into this and for whatever reason bought into Vince Russo's insanity, then let Kurt Angle and later Jeff Hardy work drugged up, followed that up with Eric Bischoff and Hulk Hogan playing her for the money mark she is/was, and ended with her thinking she could be a TV star and TNA was the short cut to that. She let those things lead her, and thus TNA, down the wrong path. The trust and love of Russo turned into the final nail in their deal with Spike as she employed him despite their warnings. She let Bischoff and Hogan take them live and on the road despite the cost being too great which took a company floating with breaking even to on the verge of shutting down and running 3 times a year. She let guys with obvious drug issues like Angle and Hardy (not to forget Raven, Dustin Rhodes and God knows who else) work and work on TV and PPV, putting talent at risk and dragging down TNA. Then after making her on camera debut as a character at the urging of Bischoff and Hogan, she became convinced she was the draw and used TNA to try and get a reality show of her own at the expense of the roster. Finally, and this is all on her, she values ex-WWE, WCW, ECW guys over everyone else, damaging and driving away guys like Styles, Roode, Joe, EY, Daniels, Storm, and Magnus to name just a few. She also refuses to believe or hear any criticism, making any attempt to fix things impossible. Dixie actually became an on screen character before Hogan showed up. her first on screen appearance was in August of 2009 announcing the signing of Bobby Lashley. They were also pimping Dixie's twitter handle before she became a full time on screen character as well I think.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 28, 2016 12:21:36 GMT -5
It is easy to blame it all on Dixie (shit, really is all on her but that doesn't make for much talk) but it also goes deeper. She came into this and for whatever reason bought into Vince Russo's insanity, then let Kurt Angle and later Jeff Hardy work drugged up, followed that up with Eric Bischoff and Hulk Hogan playing her for the money mark she is/was, and ended with her thinking she could be a TV star and TNA was the short cut to that. She let those things lead her, and thus TNA, down the wrong path. The trust and love of Russo turned into the final nail in their deal with Spike as she employed him despite their warnings. She let Bischoff and Hogan take them live and on the road despite the cost being too great which took a company floating with breaking even to on the verge of shutting down and running 3 times a year. She let guys with obvious drug issues like Angle and Hardy (not to forget Raven, Dustin Rhodes and God knows who else) work and work on TV and PPV, putting talent at risk and dragging down TNA. Then after making her on camera debut as a character at the urging of Bischoff and Hogan, she became convinced she was the draw and used TNA to try and get a reality show of her own at the expense of the roster. Finally, and this is all on her, she values ex-WWE, WCW, ECW guys over everyone else, damaging and driving away guys like Styles, Roode, Joe, EY, Daniels, Storm, and Magnus to name just a few. She also refuses to believe or hear any criticism, making any attempt to fix things impossible. Dixie actually became an on screen character before Hogan showed up. her first on screen appearance was in August of 2009 announcing the signing of Bobby Lashley. They were also pimping Dixie's twitter handle before she became a full time on screen character as well I think. I know she had been on screen and talked about but I didn't think she became an actual character until the Immortal stuff. Kind of like Vince McMahon the announcer compared to Mr. McMahon the boss character.
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