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Post by Woo on Dec 26, 2016 18:45:32 GMT -5
Well you haven't let the facts get in the way of your posts in this thread. Nobody was blaming Roman for the camera choices at all. Nobody blamed Dunn either and everyone was quick to point out that the production team at the event was the B-Team. But no everyone is part of a hive-mind attacking poor innocent Reigns for no reason at all despite the fact his push has been scaled back and he's not fighting for the universal title right now. Aww, dude. Not going to start internet piss fight with you. Dunn is charge of the production which include the cameras and how the show is presented. Therefore, if he wants the camera to focus on Roman, it happens that way. This thread premise is that Roman's facial expression when AJ debuted somehow ruined the moment. Or the camera shots focussing on him are his fault. The buck stops with Dunn. But something something Roman. Haha, but by saying "something something Roman" at the end you, rather than admit you got the wrong end of the stick with your first post, are still trying to spin your anti-Reigns narrative in a thread where nobody aside from you ironically had blamed him.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 26, 2016 19:41:09 GMT -5
Blame it on the Reigns. We are running out of things to crucify Roman for. Now, it's his fault for production missteps and f*** ups. And people do blame the producer. Because the producer is someone more hated than Roman Reigns: Kevin Dunn. WWE recognized their mistakes at the Rumble and released alternative cuts of AJ's debut on their website and Youtube. But yeah, it's totally Reigns' fault that a skeleton production crew made mistakes and didn't capture different moments during the Rumble. This Roman hate is getting absurd to the point of it is disgusting.
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Post by the2ndevil on Dec 26, 2016 21:11:32 GMT -5
Don't let facts get in the way of a Roman Reigns takedown. Because they have never had the loser of a championship match be in the rumble after, nope never Seriously asking: When have they done that? Because the only person that I can recall pulling double duty and even came close to winning was Bret Hart in 1994, and even that has an asterisk because he "co-won" with Lex Luger.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 26, 2016 21:52:56 GMT -5
Because they have never had the loser of a championship match be in the rumble after, nope never Seriously asking: When have they done that? Because the only person that I can recall pulling double duty and even came close to winning was Bret Hart in 1994, and even that has an asterisk because he "co-won" with Lex Luger. Ziggler in 2012 is the first one to spring to mind. Lost to Punk in the title match, entered the Rumble at #18 and was in the final five. Ziggler also lost in the WHC title match against Edge in 2011 and entered the Rumble at #31, though he was eliminated in relatively short order. On the same night Orton lost to Miz in the WWE title match, and finished third in the Rumble match.
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Post by H-Virus on Dec 26, 2016 22:01:38 GMT -5
Seriously asking: When have they done that? Because the only person that I can recall pulling double duty and even came close to winning was Bret Hart in 1994, and even that has an asterisk because he "co-won" with Lex Luger. Ziggler in 2012 is the first one to spring to mind. Lost to Punk in the title match, entered the Rumble at #18 and was in the final five. Ziggler also lost in the WHC title match against Edge in 2011 and entered the Rumble at #31, though he was eliminated in relatively short order. On the same night Orton lost to Miz in the WWE title match, and finished third in the Rumble match. Pretty sure Kurt Angle did it too, that year he lost a match and then stole Nunzio's number to get in the Rumble? Think Edge might have done it once, too, but not sure.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 26, 2016 22:56:41 GMT -5
2005: Angle lost in a triple threat match then stole Nunzio's number 2011: Orton and Ziggler (this was the year of the 40-man Rumble, R-Truth also did double duty) 2012: Big Show and Dolph Ziggler
According to Wikipedia, those are the times someone has lost in the world title match, then competed in the rumble.
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on Dec 26, 2016 23:10:32 GMT -5
To paraphrase Cornette on Luger: he played football; he had a good look; he's a nice guy but comes off dickish; he is getting pushed to the moon, but he can't connect with the fans; the fans see through the bull. The only difference between the two is Lex never quite got wrestling (according to Jim), while Reigns knows about the biz.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 26, 2016 23:47:54 GMT -5
You mean the Rumble he's not actually in because he's the challenger in the Universal Championship match? They'll cut to his reaction backstage for every entrant. I would get tear-inducing laughter from this.
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Post by Texas Tornado on Dec 27, 2016 0:10:22 GMT -5
Aww, dude. Not going to start internet piss fight with you. Dunn is charge of the production which include the cameras and how the show is presented. Therefore, if he wants the camera to focus on Roman, it happens that way. This thread premise is that Roman's facial expression when AJ debuted somehow ruined the moment. Or the camera shots focussing on him are his fault. The buck stops with Dunn. But something something Roman. I feel as though you've misunderstood the intent of the original post. I'm not saying that's bad; I'm just making an observation. If you read the original post again, you can see that its poster was actually providing an excellent example (one of many) of why people should shift the focus of their hostility toward WWE instead of Roman. It's clear that the original post was to help people understand that Roman is as much a victim of WWE's Creative as we are. Yeah, this isn't an anti-Roman or even an anti-Kevin Dunn thread. It's just calling out an issue with over-exposure that WWE should learn from. I'm not seeing a problem with the OP at all lol.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Dec 27, 2016 1:45:58 GMT -5
I still have never completely seen what WWE sees in Roman. Why he was the chosen one.
People will tell me it's because he's handsome. And to that I say when has that worked? Look at all the top guys through history.
Hogan, Savage, Austin, Flair, Undertaker, Dusty, Bret, Goldberg, DDP, HHH, Foley, Brock, Cena, Batista, Punk, Bryan
None of these guys are doing much for the ladies in terms of looks.(sorry Ric)
Then you've got
HBK, The Rock, and Orton
I'll argue Shawn never really stuck as a top guy and The Rock is one example with many counter examples. And he is still no Roman Reigns. Orton is another one who never really reached the heights or successfully carried the company.
So I don't buy "the look" for Roman.
On the microphone and in the ring? Do I have to make an argument against him here?
He's somehow related to The Rock? So what? People hate that cousin shit. If you're not a direct descendant there's no story to be told there.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 27, 2016 1:57:13 GMT -5
Hogan, Savage, Austin, Flair, Undertaker, Dusty, Bret, Goldberg, DDP, HHH, Foley, Brock, Cena, Batista, Punk, Bryan None of these guys are doing much for the ladies in terms of looks.(sorry Ric) there. Depends on which ladies. I know a ton of women who were 100% into Cena when he was younger, and Austin definitely had his female fans. As did Punk and Bryan. also something something women tears in their eyes Bret.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 27, 2016 3:30:35 GMT -5
I honestly think Vince is too stubborn, prideful, and out of touch overall to ever admit that his Roman Reigns obsession isn't connecting. We saw similar backlash with Cena and Vince kept having him win over much more exciting, talented, and popular wrestlers that resulted in even more venom towards Cena and the product. Those same fans that continued to voice their disapproval eventually gave up and moved on from wrestling.
We're probably going to see the same outcome here. They'll just keep pushing Roman until fans give up and leave the product. What Vince and maybe Hunter don't understand is that Roman didn't need any tweaking. He got over as this silent, brutal, badass, and intimidating enforcer who didn't need to spout off catchphrases. It was cool just watching him get into the ring and just dominate everything and everyone, and when he did speak, he didn't have to say much and he would make his point.
Then all of a sudden he's cutting promos about babygirls, beanstalks, and spouting off horrible catchphrases. We're seeing the same thing with Seth Rollins and the whole Sparkle Crotch line that Vince is apparently infatuated with.
There's no drama in wrestling anymore, nothing unpredictable, and overall I don't blame Roman at all. He's really in an impossible position and he was just thrown to the wolves by an out of touch owner, horrible writers, and fans who are simply just tuning him out and leaving the product behind.
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Post by schma on Dec 27, 2016 4:05:32 GMT -5
The weird thing is the clip linked doesn't show the titantron I am Phenomenal bit. I coulda sworn I remember seeing that on the titantron when the crowd went crazy, then a cut to Roman. There was certainly more Roman than there should have been in it but this made it worse.
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Post by Woo on Dec 27, 2016 4:56:18 GMT -5
The weird thing is the clip linked doesn't show the titantron I am Phenomenal bit. I coulda sworn I remember seeing that on the titantron when the crowd went crazy, then a cut to Roman. There was certainly more Roman than there should have been in it but this made it worse. This is the live feed. They didn't show any of the tron at all. You are thinking of something they put out online a the day after the Rumble after that showed ''I am phenomenal" in a "This is how the entrance should have looked" moment.
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Post by Woo on Dec 27, 2016 4:57:16 GMT -5
Blame it on the Reigns. We are running out of things to crucify Roman for. Now, it's his fault for production missteps and f*** ups. And people do blame the producer. Because the producer is someone more hated than Roman Reigns: Kevin Dunn. WWE recognized their mistakes at the Rumble and released alternative cuts of AJ's debut on their website and Youtube. But yeah, it's totally Reigns' fault that a skeleton production crew made mistakes and didn't capture different moments during the Rumble. This Roman hate is getting absurd to the point of it is disgusting. Really? You got an example? Because this isn't an anti-Reigns thread at all.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 27, 2016 5:07:35 GMT -5
The weird thing is the clip linked doesn't show the titantron I am Phenomenal bit. I coulda sworn I remember seeing that on the titantron when the crowd went crazy, then a cut to Roman. There was certainly more Roman than there should have been in it but this made it worse. And it still misses the "PHENOMENAL" reveal in favour of a quick shot of Roman blown up and sucking air.
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Post by BigAl on Dec 27, 2016 5:37:02 GMT -5
I honestly think Vince is too stubborn, prideful, and out of touch overall to ever admit that his Roman Reigns obsession isn't connecting. We saw similar backlash with Cena and Vince kept having him win over much more exciting, talented, and popular wrestlers that resulted in even more venom towards Cena and the product. Those same fans that continued to voice their disapproval eventually gave up and moved on from wrestling. We're probably going to see the same outcome here. They'll just keep pushing Roman until fans give up and leave the product. What Vince and maybe Hunter don't understand is that Roman didn't need any tweaking. He got over as this silent, brutal, badass, and intimidating enforcer who didn't need to spout off catchphrases. It was cool just watching him get into the ring and just dominate everything and everyone, and when he did speak, he didn't have to say much and he would make his point. Then all of a sudden he's cutting promos about babygirls, beanstalks, and spouting off horrible catchphrases. We're seeing the same thing with Seth Rollins and the whole Sparkle Crotch line that Vince is apparently infatuated with. There's no drams in wrestling anymore, nothing unpredictable, and overall I don't blame Roman at all. He's really in an impossible position and he was just thrown to the wolves by an out of touch owner, horrible writers, and fans who are simply just tuning him out and leaving the product behind. you mean like the one he called someone Tater Tots?
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Post by Dub H on Dec 27, 2016 5:37:26 GMT -5
This Roman hate is getting absurd to the point of it is disgusting. Really? You got an example? Because this isn't an anti-Reigns thread at all. Yeh , no one is calling reigns scum of the earth or anything. The ziggler one I would say disgusting. But Roman it it just a large number of people that don't care about him
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Dec 27, 2016 10:23:33 GMT -5
The biggest issue with reigns is he's being booked like he has the "it" factor when he clearly doesn't
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 27, 2016 10:34:20 GMT -5
This Roman hate is getting absurd to the point of it is disgusting. Really? You got an example? Because this isn't an anti-Reigns thread at all. I'm talking over a whole not this one thread.
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