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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 28, 2016 0:55:08 GMT -5
First thing to come to mind for me is the Jessie Godderz and Aron Rex feud. Whenever he was in Grand Championship matches, Jessie would always win the first two rounds, but get pinned in round three. During his feud with Aron Rex, Rex would win in dirtier and dirtier ways, but Jessie seemingly won the feud -- in a one fall non title match. Jessie needs to go to NXT. As good as he currently is, they can make him great. He would have to get off the roids. I think Jessie Godderz has been living on potential to long and needs to do that leap. Potential will not be there forever.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 28, 2016 10:56:30 GMT -5
Good Idea: Ethan Carter the Third. Failed Execution: Everything after he turned babyface.
Good Idea: Samoa Joe as TNA world champion. Failed Execution: Making him a giant spaz and sidekick to Kevin Nash while champ.
Good Idea: "Black Machismo" Jay Lethal pinning Kurt Angle clean for the X Division title. Failed Execution: Still treating him as one of the interchangeable X Division geeks.
Good Idea: Signing the Young Bucks Failed Execution: Max and Jeremy Buck, Generation ME.
Good Idea: TNA TV title Failed Execution: The people chosen to hold the title.
Good Idea: Pushing new people Crimson and f***ing Gunner. Failed Execution: Neither was good or ready for their roles.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 28, 2016 15:30:38 GMT -5
Good idea: Using a top 10 ranking system for world title contendership that would consider match outcomes and fan support to help guide who to push. Bad idea: Abandoning it pretty immediately and never actually using the top 1 and 2 slots for contendership when the title was vacated.
Good idea: Women's tag team titles in a time where no major promotion not focused exclusively on women had one. Bad idea: Having the longest and final reign before the title's retirement be a comedy pop for Eric f***ing Young.
Good idea: Wanting to make sure their secondary championship holds some kind of identity. Bad idea: Making all of those identities suck.
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Post by benstudd on Dec 29, 2016 1:49:56 GMT -5
Here's the thing though, AJ and Flair on paper shouldn't work but they entertained the Hell out of me.
It was one of my favorite heel Champ TNA run. And for whatever reasons it made AJ good on mic for the first time.
I think AJ should have never lost the title to RVD. They should have continued that run with AJ and Flair, make him roll over everybody. My only problem is that they just should not have given him a Flair-like robe.
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About Aces & 8, the problem is that they did it the Russo way in coming up with a concept and then trying to fill people in these cases regardless if they fit, instead of going for talent and then doing something that fits their personalities. In WCW, Bischoff hired Nash and Hall first and then came up with something to make them successful(then Hogan joined and magic happened).
TNA had just people in masks attack people and they had really no prime talent locked up. And anyway people suspected that Bully Ray was behind this the moment he tried to be friend with Hogan. Then not only they filled the group with jobbers but people knew them by findindg for themselves on the internet. So all the masks had no point cause we knew who the guys were behind them!
At least if this group had Jarrett behind them it would have made sense. They attacked Sting first and Sting entered the TNA HOF before JJ. And maybe JJ felt that Hogan and Co had taken the company from him.
Bully being the leader made no sense cause Bully was already at the top of the food chain in TNA and did not need the help of anybody. A more interesting option would have been Abyss sort of creating for himself a third persona more intelligent than Abyss, more badass than Joseph Park. It was around the movie DKR and they could have taken the example of Bane for example of a masked figure using brain and brawn.
This is what they did not have for this concept: creativity, common sense(like the internet exist!) and don't tell people you're gonna have an epic storyline when you cannot deliver as far as star power. I mean no indy star coming in, no WWE star either.
They had something, they wanted to do something but I think Bischoff and Hogan had gotten too old already to do something good.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 29, 2016 5:57:29 GMT -5
Bringing in Hogan. On paper, it makes sense to associate with the biggest draw in wrestling history. In practice, it's like launching a new basketball league and naming Michael Jordan as commissioner. You want the legitimacy from the name, but Jordan was never good in coaching or executive roles. Similarly, Hogan has proven he has no talent for booking, and with him unable to actually wrestle, did more harm than good. no , it was a bad idea pretty much from the the start. TNA biggest criticism as how much they relied and pushed former see stars. Hogan charges more than anyone else and is an know backstage politician that makes about him.and his friends Plus he wasn't even that relevant at the time , sure he will get a pop for special returns in the wwe , but most of the public don't want to see old man Hogan as a focus on a wrestling show
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 23:46:50 GMT -5
I agree. Hogan should have never joined TNA.
When they announced him joining I, like a lot of people was scared that he would pull all the crap he did in WCW. And he did.
TNA were hardly a success in late 2009, but they had a lot going for them. After Hogan left the only thing anyone talks about now is when TNA will finally die.
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Post by Ted Sheckler on Jan 1, 2017 7:37:51 GMT -5
There's so many you could literally write a book on the topic. Here are some from January 4th 2010 alone:
Good idea: Bringing in Eric Bischoff and Hulk Hogan
Bad idea: Not giving them enough control and having them throw ideas around with guys who don't really match their style such as Vince Russo and the other Russo underlings. Too many cooks in the kitchen and I honestly believe the product would have been much better if it was just Bischoff, Hogan and a couple of like minded guys on the team.
Good idea: Starting your big January 4th show with the X-Division.
Bad idea: Making it a messy match with ten guys in a hard to watch cage. Why not just a three way dance between Amazing Red, Christopher Daniels and someone else who is capable of a great match like Chris Sabin, Alex Shelley, Samoa Joe etc. Could have been a really solid 6-8 minute match but they went with the TNA special which is random gimmick match.
Good idea: Signing Jeff Hardy
Bad idea: Having him debut on January 4th. You've already hooked your audience with the signing of Hulk Hogan on January 4th so why not build to your Pay Per View and have Hogan promise a big debut at Genesis? If people don't buy the PPV to see Hardy (Which they probably would have) you still get the ratings pop from having his first appearance on Impact after the signing. 2 is better than one.
Good idea: Signing Ric Flair
Bad idea: How they used him. If I recall correctly we had Ric Flair march right into AJ Styles dressing room and suddenly they were best pals. I think the natural story line is that Ric Flair is coming to TNA to scout for talent and he's picking the guy he thinks is the best to manage. Flair scouts talents for months before finally settling with a guy. You don't pair Flair up with AJ you instead pair Flair up with someone who needs him. Matt Morgan and Ric Flair as a team would have been perfect because Morgan could be an intense ass kicker as Flair does the talking.
Also, imagine how cool it would be if during a match on TV we have Flair just walk out with the announcers asking what the hell he's doing in TNA. Kind of like Lex Luger on the debut of Nitro.
Good idea: Reforming the nWo
Bad idea: Might be a controversial point but people were clamoring for it at that point and wanted WWE to do a DX Vs nWo story line and the nWo still had value. Bad idea was trying to make them a main event story line. If I were booking I'd have had Nash welcome both Hall and X-Pac with open arms, proclaim they're getting the band back together and rah rah rah.
Throughout the months they build a team of older guys consisting of Nash, Hall, X-Pac, Jeff Jarrett, Scott Steiner and Eric Bischoff. You build a decent young vs old story line to Bound For Glory where the young team tops the nWo. Ending your show with the nWo, having big long segments with them etc etc isn't the way to go. Midcard story at best.
Good idea: Doing a strip poker segment to keep fans tuned.
Bad idea: Wasn't funny or sexy in the slightest. Val Venis should have been a one night cameo at best but was around for a couple of months.
Good idea: Bobby Lashley taking his ball and going home.
Bad idea: Never following up on it with anything.
Good idea: Booking AJ Styles Vs Kurt Angle on your biggest show ever.
Bad idea: Baby face AJ who is TNA's biggest homegrown star needing the assistance of Ric Flair to defeat Kurt Angle. Both dudes should have gone 25 minutes with AJ beating him clean in the middle. Flair should have always been against AJ with AJ showing how good of a guy he is by turning down Flair's managerial advances.
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That's from one show alone which had the potential to be the biggest home run they ever hit. I reiterate, they made all those mistakes on ONE show.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 1, 2017 7:54:25 GMT -5
Good idea: Orlando Jordan playing an off-kilter Lady Gaga inspired character with a male and female valet, including having perhaps the first use of the bi pride flag on US television ever. Bad execution: Getting creepily sexual with him squirting cream over himself, pretty much returning to Goldust-esque 'queer people are scary' tropes.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 1, 2017 8:22:33 GMT -5
Good Idea: TNA brings in Macho Man to make it appear they are becoming Big Time
Bad execution: It was a Macho Man that struggled to bend over. People had to run into his fist. And he still pinned the champ.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 1, 2017 8:50:35 GMT -5
Good idea: Working with CMLL and NJPW. Bad execution: Not respecting their partnership by booking the on loan talent badly or unapproved title changes.
Good idea: Signing some of the best Shimmer talent to deals. Bad execution: Making the Knockout division centered around the Beautiful People.
Good idea: Making Don West a heel commentator. Bad execution: Getting rid of him for a lazy ass Taz.
Good idea: Joker Sting Bad execution: It was Cesar Romero's Joker than Heath Ledger's Joker.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 1, 2017 10:51:57 GMT -5
Good idea: Joker Sting Bad execution: It was Cesar Romero's Joker than Heath Ledger's Joker. I honestly thought he was doing a Jim Carrey thing at times.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 1, 2017 10:57:56 GMT -5
Good idea: Joker Sting Bad execution: It was Cesar Romero's Joker than Heath Ledger's Joker. I honestly thought he was doing a Jim Carrey thing at times. There were traces of the Mask during that gimmick. But he was as campy as 60's Batman villian Joker. Especially when Hostage Taking Bird got introduced.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 1, 2017 13:52:35 GMT -5
Magnus as champion. Dude had the total package-looks, charisma, ring ability, and could play it heel or face. But was booked into utter oblivion, totally killing any potential he had.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 1, 2017 14:45:54 GMT -5
I honestly thought he was doing a Jim Carrey thing at times. There were traces of the Mask during that gimmick. But he was as campy as 60's Batman villian Joker. Especially when Hostage Taking Bird got introduced. To me he came off far more like Gorshin's Riddler than Cesar's Joker.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Jan 1, 2017 14:56:10 GMT -5
The Awesome Kong/Raisha Saeed concept.
I understand sometimes a big monster character needs a talking head (i.e. Cornette/Yokozuna), but Kong didn't need anyone to do her dirty work.
And let's face it- why would someone as highly capable as Melissa Anderson have to basically have to be relegated to such a weird role.
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Post by thetower52 on Jan 1, 2017 19:32:51 GMT -5
Good idea: Orlando Jordan playing an off-kilter Lady Gaga inspired character with a male and female valet, including having perhaps the first use of the bi pride flag on US television ever. Bad execution: Getting creepily sexual with him squirting cream over himself, pretty much returning to Goldust-esque 'queer people are scary' tropes. f***, even that seemed worse then anything goldust did
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 1, 2017 21:07:35 GMT -5
Good idea: Orlando Jordan playing an off-kilter Lady Gaga inspired character with a male and female valet, including having perhaps the first use of the bi pride flag on US television ever. Bad execution: Getting creepily sexual with him squirting cream over himself, pretty much returning to Goldust-esque 'queer people are scary' tropes. f***, even that seemed worse then anything goldust did vs
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Post by Dragonfly on Jan 1, 2017 23:27:01 GMT -5
King of the Mountain. The two main concepts - forcing ladder spots to become the climax of the match instead of the focus and making ladder-based combat friendlier to traditional heavyweights - are pretty solid. The penalty box, and everything connected to the penalty box, killed it. It's too confusing (no one, not even Mike Tenay, could really explain it), too hard for the fan at home to follow (an on-screen scorecard should have been mandatory) and just too weird to be in a marquee match. That said, an extra gimmick is needed to preserve both the flow and the storytelling elements. The solution: Remove the "box/pin" thing and switch to staggered, Wargames-esque entrances. Instead of doing the five minutes at the beginning of the match, you do it once everyone is in. After time expires, simply announce that the belt is "in play." The match then continues on as normal.
Oh... And whatever you do, do not have your badass voiceover guy say "it's a reverse ladder match" at the beginning of the promo. That's super important.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jan 2, 2017 2:25:55 GMT -5
Good Idea: Legitimately shocking heel turn of Jeff Hardy.
Bad Idea: Not paying someone to follow him all day and keep a meter on the pills for the proven drug addict with a back injury causing him constant pain.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 2, 2017 4:29:34 GMT -5
Good idea: Having your top contenders do a Round Robin tournament to determine the #1 Contender for the TNA World title at Bound for Glory.
Bad idea: Forgetting to book half the matches in the series, and then randomly do a battle royal a couple weeks before the show to set up the guy who is actually winning the thing because he's not in the Top 4 yet. And don't get me started on the first year they did the BFG Series where nobody had the same amount of matches, Samoa Joe had negative points because he's an idiot, Crimson had the most points but then they completely copped out and had Joe injure him, and Gunner was in the Top 4 despite having the most losses in the tournament because he had way more matches than anyone else.
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