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Post by xCompackx on Dec 27, 2016 16:04:03 GMT -5
Especially bringing up Dustin's participation in it. Not that that negates Dustin's feelings, if he's fine with it he's fine with it. It is his dad. But that said, Cody and Dustin are both Dusty's sons and independent people. One's acceptance or unhappiness with the use of it isn't validated or nullified by the other. It's like when people become super venomous when choosing sides between Bret Hart and Martha Hart over Owen's death. Both lost a loved one, one a brother and one a husband. It's not any of our places to dictate how one or the other should feel. Even then, the same problem is less "Cody having some issues with that", if that was the case it'd be one thing. The real problem seems to be more with how much equal things Cody himself uses for Dusty on the indies or in his own gimmicks, and how he uses it far more than Goldust does (with this being one of the first times since Dusty died Goldust used him in anything, and it was mostly in the way of BAYLEY using Dusty to show how much he taught her out of respect, not Goldust doing it.) It'd be one thing if it was him being raw about it, but this just reeked of Cody being just as carny as WWE and saying "No no no, exploiting Dusty is MY gimmick, NOT YOURS! I'm the one who gets to be Dusty's son, I'm the one who gets to be Dusty's legacy, Not Bayley or not any of the NXT alumni and not even Dustin!" Why is that a bad thing, though? If Goldust chooses not to use his father in his gimmicks (or more likely, told not to by WWE) and Cody wants to, that's his choice. I mean, he does have more of a claim to Dusty's legacy than Bayley or any of the NXT alumni as he actually is family.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Dec 27, 2016 16:11:02 GMT -5
I don't watch Raw, so I still don't get why the club and bayley have a segment together
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 27, 2016 16:16:42 GMT -5
Even then, the same problem is less "Cody having some issues with that", if that was the case it'd be one thing. The real problem seems to be more with how much equal things Cody himself uses for Dusty on the indies or in his own gimmicks, and how he uses it far more than Goldust does (with this being one of the first times since Dusty died Goldust used him in anything, and it was mostly in the way of BAYLEY using Dusty to show how much he taught her out of respect, not Goldust doing it.) It'd be one thing if it was him being raw about it, but this just reeked of Cody being just as carny as WWE and saying "No no no, exploiting Dusty is MY gimmick, NOT YOURS! I'm the one who gets to be Dusty's son, I'm the one who gets to be Dusty's legacy, Not Bayley or not any of the NXT alumni and not even Dustin!" Why is that a bad thing, though? If Goldust chooses not to use his father in his gimmicks (or more likely, told not to by WWE) and Cody wants to, that's his choice. I mean, he does have more of a claim to Dusty's legacy than Bayley or any of the NXT alumni as he actually is family. Because once you see THAT side of the issue, then Cody's whole complaint loses its entire focus. Without this side of it, between complaining about someone using a deceased family member of yours in a storyline (which is viable originally) and changes it to one carny complaining about other carnies for showing the marks how to break his game's scam. If it was something else- even without Dustin in the mix, you could buy it as "just" Cody being broken up about it. With everything Cody does and with Dustin himself doing it as well...it may not be 100% that way, but it's a LOT closer to "Krimson whining about any time a TNA wrestler uses a name like his, or dresses as a clown, or is influenced by Heath Ledger's joker, or who cares OH PLEASE OH PLEASE HIRE ME AND THROW ME A CONTRACT TO SHUT ME UP, TNA! You're out of options and I'm actually willing to work for you so I can say I'm a national wrestler!" than you'd think.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Dec 27, 2016 16:17:11 GMT -5
Nothing heart warming is allowed to happen on Vince's shows without someone terrible ruining it. It's weird
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Post by Paco on Dec 27, 2016 16:58:39 GMT -5
Cody's sister was not a fan either...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 17:00:10 GMT -5
I can get why he would be upset about it to be honest. It just felt really thoughtless and unnecessary.
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Post by eJm on Dec 27, 2016 17:32:50 GMT -5
The biggest problem with this, to me, is that segments like this make these people a part of the storyline who left the wider kayfabe world of WWE instead of real human beings who died and it affecting other real people.
Don't forget, there were people who thought Eddie Guerrero was alive and waiting to swerve everyone at WrestleMania the next year because of Eddiesploitation instead of tragically passing away and leaving behind a family.
I get it, pro wrestling is shady as hell and always has been but this crap does nothing for lockerroom morale, nothing for the product and nothing for people watching. If you can't even bother asking the person's damn family before doing it then you should immediately question why you're doing it at all.
WWE better be grateful for every single day the mainstream media doesn't actually give a crap about them outside of WrestleMania time. Hell, I'm still shocked they got so much deserved flack for the Titus stuff earlier this year.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 27, 2016 17:44:24 GMT -5
Did Cody get upset with Chris Hero when he used a cardboard head of Dusty as a weapon during their match? I get being upset about losing a family member and wanting to fiercely protecting their legacy. But wrestling is the most carny business ever where anything and everything is open to exploitation for the almighty dollar. Dusty used the career ending car accident of Magnum T.A. to turn Nikita Koloff face, get himself over, and won the Crockett Cup. We glorify Dusty Rhodes for good reasons but tend to gloss over moments he crossed decency. I got little issues with last night's angle outside it is more than likely going to be forgotten next week. But the Club behaved as deplorable heels instead of trying to be cool heels. Goldust went after them with a vengeance but ultimately lost his quest for revenge. Nothing really to call for heads. Considering how Goldust doesn't bottle up his emotions on social media, we shall see soon enough if he signed off on it or if he is pissed it went down. My man Bad News keeping it 100.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Dec 27, 2016 17:46:38 GMT -5
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 27, 2016 17:51:46 GMT -5
I don't watch Raw, so I still don't get why the club and bayley have a segment together Well, they sort of did and they sort of didn't. They both appeared in the same unbroken segment, but Bayley had already left by the time The Club showed up.
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Post by Gremlin on Dec 27, 2016 17:54:41 GMT -5
I don't think they improvised that on Goldust. I think they succeeded in what they were going for: a great reaction for Bayley and that Dusty pop.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 27, 2016 17:55:21 GMT -5
Even then, the same problem is less "Cody having some issues with that", if that was the case it'd be one thing. The real problem seems to be more with how much equal things Cody himself uses for Dusty on the indies or in his own gimmicks, and how he uses it far more than Goldust does (with this being one of the first times since Dusty died Goldust used him in anything, and it was mostly in the way of BAYLEY using Dusty to show how much he taught her out of respect, not Goldust doing it.) It'd be one thing if it was him being raw about it, but this just reeked of Cody being just as carny as WWE and saying "No no no, exploiting Dusty is MY gimmick, NOT YOURS! I'm the one who gets to be Dusty's son, I'm the one who gets to be Dusty's legacy, Not Bayley or not any of the NXT alumni and not even Dustin!" Why is that a bad thing, though? If Goldust chooses not to use his father in his gimmicks (or more likely, told not to by WWE) and Cody wants to, that's his choice. I mean, he does have more of a claim to Dusty's legacy than Bayley or any of the NXT alumni as he actually is family. That, plus Dustin had a much more complicated relationship with his father than Cody did. He even went years without speaking much to him, if I recall. Dustin's marriage to Terri was apparently one of the major reasons, and of course his drug use.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Dec 27, 2016 18:02:14 GMT -5
Cody is such a nerd
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Dec 27, 2016 18:07:51 GMT -5
Did Cody get upset with Chris Hero when he used a cardboard head of Dusty as a weapon during their match? I get being upset about losing a family member and wanting to fiercely protecting their legacy. But wrestling is the most carny business ever where anything and everything is open to exploitation for the almighty dollar. Dusty used the career ending car accident of Magnum T.A. to turn Nikita Koloff face, get himself over, and won the Crockett Cup. We glorify Dusty Rhodes for good reasons but tend to gloss over moments he crossed decency. I got little issues with last night's angle outside it is more than likely going to be forgotten next week. But the Club behaved as deplorable heels instead of trying to be cool heels. Goldust went after them with a vengeance but ultimately lost his quest for revenge. Nothing really to call for heads. Considering how Goldust doesn't bottle up his emotions on social media, we shall see soon enough if he signed off on it or if he is pissed it went down. Yeah, I saw that match too. Hero didn't really do anything that disrespectful with cardboard Dusty Rhodes, like rip it up or spit on it, though. I was glad they didn't go where they could have gone with the whole thing. I think both Cody and Chris knew about where the "too far" line was with it. I can see why he would be a little bothered by the Raw segment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 19:00:35 GMT -5
Well I'm happy with it.
Let's look at qualifications:
Bootytime: Has not been in TNA.
Cody: Has been in TNA.
I think it's clear people that have not been in TNA are better, so listen to me.
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Post by corndog on Dec 27, 2016 19:11:22 GMT -5
The man lost his father, he can be upset if he wants to. As far as Goldust signing off on it, I obviously don't know their families business personally, but in an interview not long ago Cody did mention that Dusty and Dustin were estranged for several years. They had obviously reconciled before Dusty passed but I could see Cody feeling a little closer to Dusty than Dustin was and that making him more protective and sensitive. Also, I get WWE wanting to get heat on The Club but knowing them, this is just gonna end up being a throw away segment with no real follow up and not leading to anything for them, thus making it even more tasteless and pointless. I think it's pretty obvious Dustin didn't have as strong of relationship with his father as Cody. From my understanding they didn't even talk during his first WWE run, although obviously they worked together in WCW shortly afterwards. It always seemed like Dustin had a real problem with being in his father's shadow, hence the Goldust character, something both Vince and Dustin have talked about. Cody's career started much later, so he didn't have the same problem like Dustin who started when his father was still wrestling regularly and working in WCW where they played off of his legacy much more than Cody in WWE. Granted, I still think Dustin loves and misses his father. I also don't think he would do anything that would upset him, which in reality is probably very little. Dusty seemed like someone that would have no problem with using his death for angles. Besides, in my opinion, I didn't think it was that bad. While Dustin may not have seen his father at home as much as Cody, he did work a lot more in the business with him. But at the end of day, it's Cody's father, I'm sure the holidays are a hard time for him and he has every right to say what he feels.
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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on Dec 27, 2016 19:19:59 GMT -5
It's his f***ing dad, lol. The fact that we're debating over his right to be offended here is pretty depressing.
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Post by benstudd on Dec 27, 2016 19:34:45 GMT -5
They are too incompetent and stupid to come up with things do create heat so they do this garbage.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 27, 2016 19:49:27 GMT -5
I don't have an issue with Cody or his sister being upset, for God's sake he was their father and that loss is one wound that may never heal.
Now we could debate all night and the rest of the year on what Dusty did as a booker, what Cody has done since and now what Dustin/WWE have done, it doesn't matter because there is no right or wrong in this unless something from Dusty himself comes to light. All we can do is speculate on what someone would want or be comfortable with in these situations. Maybe this generation puts this stuff in writing to prevent these situations going forward. I am also hesitant to call what happened on Monday the end of that angle. I mean I don't exactly trust WWE to continue it but until we get to the end of next Monday's show we cannot definitely call the whole thing done.
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Dec 27, 2016 19:56:20 GMT -5
Perhaps it's just me, but I'm honestly disgusted by "Dusty seems he would've been fine with his death being used" that people are saying. It's one thing to use Magnum TA's career ending injury, it's another thing entirely to use an actual death to promote a storyline or even a segment. It was awful when they did it with Eddie, and it's awful that some people seem to have taken umbridge with the fact that Cody (and now his sister) was upset by it. If I'm wrong about that, then I apologize, but that's what I'm seeing at the moment.
I have no doubt that The Club and The Golden Truth won't last past Royal Rumble, and I highly doubt it'll last past two weeks from now. It was an awful way to generate any type of heat or even give the match a story aside from "don't forget these guys exist."
If Dustin was fine with it, then fine. That doesn't mean the Cody automatically has to be fine with it as well. He's his own person, and his feelings should not b invalidated.
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