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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 27, 2016 13:12:02 GMT -5
OK, I gotta talk for a while about this,. given recent news.
Yeah yeah "people die all the time, etc. etc." As far as a "curse," I guess it is what it is, but you can't deny it's been extra creepy this year. Not just the amount of celebrity deaths, but that the list includes many iconic performers and true legends. Now why is this so upsetting? Well for me, these were people who have been around before and during my childhood, going on adulthood; as such, I guess one feels that they'll always be there for us. The reality is extra hard-hitting when the opposite proves to be true. Being someone who can be testy when things change, I'm sure that doesn't help matters.
The circumstances? Well, some of these celebrities died before 70 or even 60....people being gone before their time is a damn shame. Can anything be done to make things different? Who can say? But I've been told that I shouldn't be upset when someone who did live a full life passes on. THAT ISN'T SO EASY EITHER. Why? Because the performers of a certain age not only represent kinder and easier times, but also, a time when performers got over by PERFORMING and HAVING CLASS while doing it. You cannot say that our culture has not been extremely dumbed down, and as a result, I'd also add that losing legends still hurts, but would hurt less if I could trust in millennial stars, both as people and as performers. I just can't see that happening all the time, in a world where the damn Kardashians are the #1 "stars" in the world. It's like, who can carry the mantles of these icons? I am not sure who I can trust, and while I've been proven right to like several modern performers, others have let me down severely (LeAnn Crimes, I am looking at YOU).
As one other sidenote, what's worse is when you hear or are reminded that the deceased were decent to very nice people. Then when you realize that we're stuck with many not-so-nice ones who haven't answered for the things they've done....
In general, this has been a very distressing year, and on top of that, I lost my uncle and two friends around my age. It sometimes makes me wonder if anything is worth it, if the world seems to be ending around me.
Well that's my diatribe there. Reply, prove my points wrong, etc. etc....I'm totally open, so feel free to dissect.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Dec 27, 2016 13:26:42 GMT -5
A lot of it is down to the age we're living in. Information is far more easily available and so you don't get many famous deaths that "slip through the cracks" and aren't immediately reported. I'm sure if you look at most other years, there will be just as many "celebrity" deaths, just perhaps not as many that are as well-known on a global scale.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 13:45:42 GMT -5
As far as stardom goes, you brought up the Kardashians as your example. Don't you think when their time comes Hugh Jackman, the stars of the Marvel movies, Seth Rogen, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, etc. are going to be mourned by the people currently growing up with them?
I get your point about things not being as classy as they used to be, but don't like the implication that there aren't current icons who aren't reality tv stars or people who make complete asses of themselves in public.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Dec 27, 2016 13:49:49 GMT -5
It's the baby boomer generation that are perishing, some before others.
As much as I hate to think about it, the coming years will be accelerated in terms of celebrity and iconic deaths of that generation.
I can imagine in 2026 we are talking about nearly everyone in a past tense.
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Post by dirtyoldman on Dec 27, 2016 13:53:56 GMT -5
This was a bad year for a few friends including a friend whose dad died (his mum is already dead) and another friend who committed suicide leaving behind a young family. We're glad when this year is over, even without the celebrity splurt.
Although no guarantee 2017 isn't going to be any different.
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Post by MAGGLE on Dec 27, 2016 14:00:17 GMT -5
Some people that died this year wear some truly iconic people, but crying and mourning for people that you never met is so weird to me. Especially because all of Hollywood was coked out of their mind for decades. You can feel nostalgic because of their death and if you are at their age even get scared, but people crying for days over people who wouldnt even help you if you stood infront of them? Really weird.
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 27, 2016 14:00:23 GMT -5
I just dislike blaming a year because it glosses over the facts and/or reasons why things happen. Not only that, but for a lot of people 2016 was awesome.
But if something as simple as blaming a year makes somebody feel better, go crazy I suppose. Just don't let that get in the way of reality.
But as for you in particular, you already appear to see it as more than just a year. It's cool.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 27, 2016 14:03:03 GMT -5
"The year seems to have been filled with an inordinate amount of high-profile deaths -- some even on the same day." -CNN {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}in 2009 The fact is that the majority of the big time celebrities are baby boomers who are in their 50's 60's + and there is a much greater chance of death when you cross that threshold. Combined with things like social media making people hyper-aware of people where if someone dies YOU KNOW regardless of if you've even thought about them in years. Furthermore constant social media stuff turns celebrity deaths from "damn that sucks" to things that are multiple days of mourning. There is no "2016 curse". there's even a chart that in 2015 for the first half of the year 2015 had MORE celebrity deaths than 2016. 2015 did drop off slightly towards the end and 2016 might have passed but 2014 had more deaths than 2015 did total and it might not have passed that line.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 14:06:06 GMT -5
Some people that died this year wear some truly iconic people, but crying and mourning for people that you never met is so weird to me. Especially because all of Hollywood was coked out of their mind for decades. You can feel nostalgic because of their death and if you are at their age even get scared, but people crying for days over people who wouldnt even help you if you stood infront of them? Really weird. Yeah, it does bum me out when someone I was a fan of dies, but I've never shed a tear or had my day ruined over it. We live in a celebrity obsessed culture though, where people have an unhealthy attachment to these people. I mean, the day Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie announced their divorce, that's all people were talking about, like these were friends of theirs that were splitting up or something. It's very weird to me.
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Post by Raskovnik on Dec 27, 2016 14:11:04 GMT -5
Man, I notice you've been obsessed with posting about this throughout the year, and I think it's kind of odd. I've also read through the OP twice and I just don't understand it. It's kind of disjointed and has a weird tone, bordering on sinister ("Then when you realize that we're stuck with many not-so-nice ones who haven't answered for the things they've done...") Well, whatever. You do you. My thoughts on the matter are it sucks that people die. I'm still not over Bowie's death. People are probably going to be just as shocked when more people die next year, and the year after, and so on into infinity. If people want to cope with it by saying it's [current year] or a curse (if you want to get cod philosophical, you can say being born is a curse because none of us get out alive, right?) more power to them, I guess. It's been a long, eventful year with ups and downs. Hopefully the next one is better.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 27, 2016 14:34:09 GMT -5
I just dislike blaming a year because it glosses over the facts and/or reasons why things happen. Not only that, but for a lot of people 2016 was awesome. But if something as simple as blaming a year makes somebody feel better, go crazy I suppose. Just don't let that get in the way of reality. But as for you in particular, you already appear to see it as more than just a year. It's cool. Yeah, well I thought I kind of admitted that it's not a curse per se but still creepy.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 27, 2016 14:35:17 GMT -5
Some people that died this year wear some truly iconic people, but crying and mourning for people that you never met is so weird to me. Especially because all of Hollywood was coked out of their mind for decades. You can feel nostalgic because of their death and if you are at their age even get scared, but people crying for days over people who wouldnt even help you if you stood infront of them? Really weird. For some of us, however, these were people we saw every day or every other day. Even if you don't know them personally, your favorite movies and shows are still a part of your life. Moreso if you were a socially awkward kid like I was (still am actually...) and not many people wanted to be your friend.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 27, 2016 14:36:00 GMT -5
As far as stardom goes, you brought up the Kardashians as your example. Don't you think when their time comes Hugh Jackman, the stars of the Marvel movies, Seth Rogen, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, etc. are going to be mourned by the people currently growing up with them? I get your point about things not being as classy as they used to be, but don't like the implication that there aren't current icons who aren't reality tv stars or people who make complete asses of themselves in public. Sadly, that seems to be the exception not the rule. People who deserve it still make it on occasion, but many others who deserve it are either buried under A-listers or made to change who they are to satisfy Joe Public.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 27, 2016 14:40:18 GMT -5
Man, I notice you've been obsessed with posting about this throughout the year, and I think it's kind of odd. I've also read through the OP twice and I just don't understand it. It's kind of disjointed and has a weird tone, bordering on sinister ("Then when you realize that we're stuck with many not-so-nice ones who haven't answered for the things they've done...") Well, whatever. You do you. My thoughts on the matter are it sucks that people die. I'm still not over Bowie's death. People are probably going to be just as shocked when more people die next year, and the year after, and so on into infinity. If people want to cope with it by saying it's [current year] or a curse (if you want to get cod philosophical, you can say being born is a curse because none of us get out alive, right?) more power to them, I guess. It's been a long, eventful year with ups and downs. Hopefully the next one is better. I'm sorry if that bothered you, but it's true. It's disheartening when it feels like the people who really cared are gone and you still see such negativity and bullying and etc. around you left over. Not that I wish death on people or would ever go to extremes, I'm realistic. I was just saying. And again my OP was kind of a way for me to de-mystify the year but say it still felt eerie. And my point was that there were BIG names that passed on, and a LOT of them. Celebs die all the time, people too....but it just felt like we got a lot of major losses this time around.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Dec 27, 2016 15:03:50 GMT -5
My favourite response to the whole "2016 was a terrible year" thing is someone saying "I think 1916 might have been worse".
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Post by Lazy peon on Dec 27, 2016 15:08:59 GMT -5
People are going to be really disappointed when lots of celebrities keep dying in 2017, and every year after that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 15:22:10 GMT -5
Some people that died this year wear some truly iconic people, but crying and mourning for people that you never met is so weird to me. Especially because all of Hollywood was coked out of their mind for decades. You can feel nostalgic because of their death and if you are at their age even get scared, but people crying for days over people who wouldnt even help you if you stood infront of them? Really weird. Depends on who the celebrity is. Harrison Ford has literally saved people with his plane. There are also plenty of normal, every day people who wouldn't help others when it is in their ability to do so.
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Post by Shai on Dec 27, 2016 15:44:02 GMT -5
Some people that died this year wear some truly iconic people, but crying and mourning for people that you never met is so weird to me. Especially because all of Hollywood was coked out of their mind for decades. You can feel nostalgic because of their death and if you are at their age even get scared, but people crying for days over people who wouldnt even help you if you stood infront of them? Really weird. Except when that celebrity gave you hope when you had none through doing what they did. Like Carrie Fisher did for me. She was a advocate for people with mental health conditions. Seeing a person I'd idolized pretty much my entire life say she suffered from the same things I was and still am going through got me through some tough shit.
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 27, 2016 15:55:22 GMT -5
As far as stardom goes, you brought up the Kardashians as your example. Don't you think when their time comes Hugh Jackman, the stars of the Marvel movies, Seth Rogen, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, etc. are going to be mourned by the people currently growing up with them? Even past that, it also has to be mentioned that of the last "come in threes" rule- George Michael and Carrie Fisher were a huge singer and part of a film icon there like the last two. Zsa Zsa Gabor? She was LITERALLY the 1940s equivalent to one of the Kardashians of a "socialite who was basically famous for being famous", and it didn't change things there. So yeah, even the "modern" celebrity didn't change to the last level.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Dec 27, 2016 15:57:45 GMT -5
there is no curse it's just that we know the people that we've lost far better and hits us deeper don't think 2017 will be any easier either .....
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