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Post by Mid-Carder on Dec 28, 2016 15:01:07 GMT -5
One of many great things about him that most people will only appreciate when he's gone
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Post by KobashiChop on Dec 28, 2016 15:02:54 GMT -5
Orton isn't a star or a draw so it's not like they're risking profits by beating him. Star. Not a draw.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 28, 2016 15:10:22 GMT -5
I'm just pointing out, there is no alternative for a guy like Orton, nowhere that will pay him as well and as someone with no leverage, he has no space to really rock the boat even if he wanted to. When Orton has gotten hurt or suspended, business hasn't been affected one way or another, ratings haven't dropped, buyrates or house show attendance and as much as management like him, they know there are a dozen people on the roster that can take his place. No one man is bigger than the brand but in saying that you are selling Orton completely short like he's another name on the roster He's one of the many former world champions on the roster and given his longevity he has a little more value than many on the roster, but not enough he's in a position where he can go 'Nah, I'm not laying down today', but he's not alone, only Cena, Reigns and the part timers are in spots where they can nix booking. That said, I doubt he cares whether he wins or loses, he's a multiple time world champion and a millionaire, he's in the period of his career where he's nothing to lose by doing the job.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 28, 2016 15:19:42 GMT -5
No one man is bigger than the brand but in saying that you are selling Orton completely short like he's another name on the roster He's one of the many former world champions on the roster and given his longevity he has a little more value than many on the roster, but not enough he's in a position where he can go 'Nah, I'm not laying down today', but he's not alone, only Cena, Reigns and the part timers are in spots where they can nix booking. That said, I doubt he cares whether he wins or loses, he's a multiple time world champion and a millionaire, he's in the period of his career where he's nothing to lose by doing the job. You keep Bringing up the money like in the grand scheme of things it's a major factor. Point blank Vince can tell Randy lay down for Sin Cara he might do it but he's not going make him look good. You keep missing the point of a guy in his position is not just taking pinfalls and submissions but he's making people look good. He does have something to lose but the fans still rally behind him at the end of the day.
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Post by zappa on Dec 28, 2016 17:36:06 GMT -5
Orton has never spiked a tv rating in his life, never done an impressive PPV number on the back of him, never done great numbers at house shows, never came close to matching Cena in merch sales. Why are people acting like it's such a big deal he does jobs? He's not at all that much difference to Sheamus, Del Rio and Reigns in the fact the he was hand picked by the office.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 17:59:53 GMT -5
It's going to be a sad sad day when Randy Orton hangs his tights up. Luckily judging an interview he had the other week, he expects to be doing this for 10 more years. 10 more years of Orton not only putting guys over but trying new things and giving knowledge to the younger class? While also having dope matches? I heavily approve.
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 28, 2016 18:02:52 GMT -5
Orton has at least been involved in some stuff that has been over though. Through sheer force of repeated pushes I'd say he means considerably more than Sheamus or Del Rio. He has at least main evented multiple WMs, which is more than some of these guys can say.
I would like to see Orton have a decent top guy run as a face. It seems like whenever he gets a massive title push it's always as the most boring of heels. One of the conundrums of Orton as a wrestler is that he prefers being a heel but he's better in the ring as a wrestler as a face. I too was surprised when he jobbed last night but it didn't hurt him at all since it will play into a falling out with Wyatt.
I might have at least waited until a regular tag match to put the belts on AA. It's odd to do it in a random 4 way on TV.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 28, 2016 18:03:07 GMT -5
It's going to be a sad sad day when Randy Orton hangs his tights up. Luckily judging an interview he had the other week, he expect to be doing this for 10 more years. 10 more years of Orton not only putting guys over but trying new things and giving knowledge to the younger class? While also having dope matches? I heavily approve. Yea I don't see how people are just bypassing the impact he is having right now. Orton isn't forced to put people over he wants to. At a point where he can still be forcing himself in the main event he's trying new things and helping other people off the back of his accomplishments.
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 28, 2016 18:05:09 GMT -5
It's going to be a sad sad day when Randy Orton hangs his tights up. Luckily judging an interview he had the other week, he expect to be doing this for 10 more years. 10 more years of Orton not only putting guys over but trying new things and giving knowledge to the younger class? While also having dope matches? I heavily approve. I think it helps that Orton gets a lot of vacation time during the year to keep his body sort of fresh. Orton before just seem like the type of guy who will leave early just to enjoy life but maybe he'll just take the Big Show route of sticking around to collect dem checks as long as he can which is more than fair enough.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 18:05:16 GMT -5
This man lost to Mark Henry clean as a sheet in the middle of the ring. He seems to gotten his ego beaten out of him by Hunter. I think he did so more than once, IIRC. The first time though? That was a textbook example of putting over a monster heel. Still one of my all-time favorite matches. Henry shrugs off the RKO and then hits the WSS for the pin. The look on Orton's face was perfect too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 18:15:37 GMT -5
I surprised that people are surprised that Orton would do this he's a pro and has done this stuff for along time.Its been almost a decade since Orton had his problems and they never really caused him to not do business.I few weeks back I watched the newest Orton Bluray and during that interview you can clearly see that the dude is extremely smart to the wrestling business.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 19:08:51 GMT -5
[Yea I don't see how people are just bypassing the impact he is having right now. Orton isn't forced to put people over he wants to. At a point where he can still be forcing himself in the main event he's trying new things and helping other people off the back of his accomplishments. It says a lot when someone goes over on Orton. The fact AA went over on him, not Wyatt but him of all people, says a lot towards who he is to this company and who they are to this company. He generally seems to love his job too and he's having actual fun out there just doing his thing. I don't know about anyone else but whenever I see Orton's about to come to the ring I pay attention. It could be because of how great he in the ring but for the most part it's the fact that these days when I see Orton I don't see the same Orton who was The Authority's main man. I just see a veteran in there doing his thing and having fun while helping. I think it helps that Orton gets a lot of vacation time during the year to keep his body sort of fresh. Orton before just seem like the type of guy who will leave early just to enjoy life but maybe he'll just take the Big Show route of sticking around to collect dem checks as long as he can which is more than fair enough. I agree. Since the Shield guys broke out as single's stars he seems to have become far more fun and laidback. Before the Shield, Orton was always one of the main guys they pushed heavy. Now with them there, they can hold back on him and he can just do what's needed of him, just express himself more which is great.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 28, 2016 19:11:28 GMT -5
Orton shows up, does what they want him to do, then collects his paycheque.
That's how it should be. Just treat it as a job while you save your money, don't do anything stupid or too risky, and then retire healthy and happy.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 28, 2016 19:14:22 GMT -5
[Yea I don't see how people are just bypassing the impact he is having right now. Orton isn't forced to put people over he wants to. At a point where he can still be forcing himself in the main event he's trying new things and helping other people off the back of his accomplishments. It says a lot when someone goes over on Orton. The fact AA went over on him, not Wyatt but him of all people, says a lot towards who he is to this company. He generally seems to love his job too and he's having actual fun out there just doing his thing. I don't know about anyone else but whenever I see Orton's about to come to the ring I pay attention. It could be because of how great he in the ring but for the most part it's the fact that these days when I see Orton I don't see the same Orton who was The Authority's main man. I just see a veteran in there doing his thing and having fun while helping. I think it helps that Orton gets a lot of vacation time during the year to keep his body sort of fresh. Orton before just seem like the type of guy who will leave early just to enjoy life but maybe he'll just take the Big Show route of sticking around to collect dem checks as long as he can which is more than fair enough. I agree. Since the Shield guys broke out as single's stars he seems to have become far more fun and laidback. Before the Shield, Orton was always one of the main guys they pushed heavy. Now with them there, they can hold back on him and he can just do what's needed of him, just have express himself more which is great. It's a vicious cycle. Orton is one of my favorite wrestlers of all time so I didn't mind his pushes but they were tiresome because of the way he was presented. Now it's a different story, even going further back to legacy he's been more than willing to help younger guys and his last run on SD proved that with feuds with guys like Cody and Barrett. Right now he's the "grizzled veteran" at still a young age of 35. Fans now look at him as a legend based upon pops he always get. Anybody who steps in the ring with him is set.
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Post by spagett on Dec 28, 2016 19:16:22 GMT -5
Orton shows up, does what they want him to do, then collects his paycheque. That's how it should be. Just treat it as a job while you save your money, don't do anything stupid or too risky, and then retire healthy and happy. This is the perfect mentality for the business. You can still love the company and be passionate about it as I'm sure Orton is but just know where to draw the line. The guys that aren't a mark for themselves tend to be the ones who make their money and get out relatively healthy.
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Post by schma on Dec 28, 2016 20:55:29 GMT -5
I think a big part of the surprise at Orton doing the job is not just that he took the pin. It's the fact that his partner was Luke Harper who in the pecking order is the lowest of the Wyatts. Normally when you got partners who are presented as being clearly different tiers, it's the lower tier one who eats the pin. So it's not just that Orton took the pin, it's that he took it in place of Harper.
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Post by Chris Hammers on Dec 28, 2016 23:41:14 GMT -5
So was Orton meant to lose to Mojo originally then? Huh.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Dec 28, 2016 23:54:46 GMT -5
I think a big part of the surprise at Orton doing the job is not just that he took the pin. It's the fact that his partner was Luke Harper who in the pecking order is the lowest of the Wyatts. Normally when you got partners who are presented as being clearly different tiers, it's the lower tier one who eats the pin. So it's not just that Orton took the pin, it's that he took it in place of Harper. I'm a big fan of Luke Harper and I think they're only scratching the surface of what they can do with him, but if you truly want to make American Alpha with that title win, it means soooo much more with Orton eating the pin. I mean, giving a team its first main roster titles by pinning an all-time great is a huge vote of confidence in them.
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Post by the2ndevil on Dec 28, 2016 23:55:11 GMT -5
So was Orton meant to lose to Mojo originally then? Huh. More likely they accelerated plans after Ryder's injury. I'm willing to bet American Alpha weren't suppose to win the titles from the Wyatts until Royal Rumble at the earliest.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Dec 29, 2016 6:10:26 GMT -5
I surprised that people are surprised that Orton would do this he's a pro and has done this stuff for along time.Its been almost a decade since Orton had his problems and they never really caused him to not do business.I few weeks back I watched the newest Orton Bluray and during that interview you can clearly see that the dude is extremely smart to the wrestling business.Not only that but I finished it thinking he'd spent most of it talking about how great other people are.
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