Lucha Underground E17 "The Gauntlet"

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Those special effects tho.

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Was a pretty chill episode untill the gawd damn hoss fight!

CAGE WITH THE GAWD DAMN INFINITY GAUNTLET!!!

[chrom]

I think that was the only time I've ever seen a best of series not go the full way.

[Rave]

That 5th match was awesome. Having a God-Machine around's gonna be so fun.

Puma embracing the darkness is gonna be fun too.

Next week: Mundo vs. the Mack and the Rabbits vs. the Serpents.

[Mayonnaise]

Dec 28, 2016 21:02:58 GMT -5 chrom said:

I think that was the only time I've ever seen a best of series not go the full way.

? Best of 5 and it went 5. Cage got 2 in row, Texano 2 and Cage the last.

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Well after tonights insanity now begs the question what does the power rankings look like in the temple.

Mil
Matanza
Pentagon Dark
Puma Dark
Cage
Rey Mysterio

Not in that order but those now have to be the most powerful in the temple but then after that seems really up for grabs.

Serpent tribe
Super Friends
Black Lotus Triad
WWU

Just pennies for my thoughts but something I find interesting to think about especially now.

[chrom]

Dec 28, 2016 21:05:18 GMT -5 Mayonnaise said:

Dec 28, 2016 21:02:58 GMT -5 chrom said:

I think that was the only time I've ever seen a best of series not go the full way.

? Best of 5 and it went 5. Cage got 2 in row, Texaco 2 and Cage the last.

My mistake, I thought the whole thing was one match as I had to do stuff and missed Texano winning and Dario starting Match 5.

[Paco]

I was in the front row for this one.
I was thisclose to getting hit with Texano's whip after he sent Cage crashing through our seats.

[Woo]

Dec 28, 2016 20:31:56 GMT -5 chrom said:

Looks like Jack has hurt his jaw

Yeah it was. That's why he hasn't been talking in any of the backstage segments or the first couple of matches this season which were taped after he had his injury tonight.

So I guess the Lord was basically just an empty shell of a man and he needed to be made flesh. Or he had been in the skin of someone else for so many years and he needed a new body.

Cage may now be the most powerful man in the world!

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I was sure right up untill Cage put on the Gauntlet that he was gonna literally talk different and having glowing eyes to indicate that he was taken over.

But now I think it was looked at in the wrong sense....him being inhabited by the god did not acutally mean he would be inhabited by another being but be infused with the powers of a god because and this is in theory that the lord no longer needs that Gauntlet as a source of power as it is beneath his power scale now.

So in short IMO the lord still exsists but much like artifacts in comics he probably found a way that makes whatever power the gauntlet puts out pale in comparison.

[Oak: Certified Jade Hater]

Just finished this episode. Legit chills.

Also, I'm calling Cage "Deus Ex Machina" now and no one can tell me otherwise.

[Woo]

So here are some of my thoughts about the episode and the storyline development.

-The dojo we saw before does not belong to Pentagon it seems but Vampiro. It kind of suits Pentagon much more but okay.

-Prince Puma was sworn fealty to Vamprio. Holy shit! Puma Dark will be so much more interesting than Pentagon Dark I think.

-Jeremiah Crane becomes just the 5th person to pin Mill Muertes by himself along with Fenix, King Cuerno, Prince Puma and Sexy Star. That's huge! I was disappointed by the match at first because I thought Crane wanted to destroy Mill rather than just pin him, but maybe he won't have to if Puma Dark will do it for him.

-Love the visual of Puma kneeling before Vampiro rather than on the Aztec seal. Striker says he's betraying his Aztec roots but he was wearing an amazing Jaguar Tribe hoodie which I would so totally buy. I do hope he doesn't forget his past as with Night Claw still AWOL he's our only Jaguar Tribe wrestler.

-Ricky Mandell is a back! And he's a massive Johnny Mundo mark! I've suspected for a while that he'll join the Worldwide Underground so I reckon that's what will happen, but I am still much more interested in his Island of the Dolls photos.

-Sexy Star is an idiot. It ISN'T Mariposa! Leave her alone! Surely it's much more likely to be the massive Johnny Mundo mark who literally just gave you the box. I don't think it's Ricky either but it makes more sense than Mariposa.

-I do hope it's explained why the spider looks so awful and it isn't just an awful prop.

-So we have Mack vs Mundo next week and Sexy vs Mariposa. I hope Mariposa destroys Sexy Star quite frankly as this angle is making me root for her as the wronged person.

-Teaxno!! After 82 episodes we finally have our first proper backstage cutscene with Texano! It kind of gave away the fact he's not winning the series but it's good that even though he lost he's not going to be forgotten. It also means that we may see Texano teaming with Dr Wagner and maybe Famous B himself as a trios team. B and Brenda were amazing as always in this segment.

-Pity the tag match went down the way it did with the arm injury to Angelico and the jaw injury to Evans that's affected all of his backstage scenes this season. Son of Havok seemed sloppy in this match too. I guess Angelico has even more reason to seek revenge against the WWU now. I do hope Mascarita will team Havok again. I was hoping that with Taya injured this match would be a trios with Mundo with Black Jack and Mascarita with Angelico and Havok.

-I didn't think the main event was amazing or anything, for me match 3 of the series was the best thanks to the superb story that one told but this did it's job. Cage's bladejob looked so badass and made the end scene that much more special.

-Cage's acting was amazing in the last scene too. I laughed so much when Dario shows him the gauntlet and says "Pretty cool right?" and he says "No!! Not really" he delivered that line perfectly and he completely nailed the transformation scene which could have looked silly had Cage not done such a fine acting job. He looked rather scary actually.

-And that end cutscene! Holy crap!! Cage, sorry the Lord inside him, is going to kill everyone because he's not a Man, he's a God!

[chrom]

I take it that The Gauntlet during the course of the season is going to slowly take over and possess Cage

[Woo]

Dec 29, 2016 19:11:47 GMT -5 chrom said:

I take it that The Gauntlet during the course of the season is going to slowly take over and possess Cage

Yeah Cage, like Matanza, now has a God inside of him. Remember that guy we saw in the limo? He's now inside Cage.

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Dec 30, 2016 3:51:24 GMT -5 Woo said:

Dec 29, 2016 19:11:47 GMT -5 chrom said:

I take it that The Gauntlet during the course of the season is going to slowly take over and possess Cage

Yeah Cage, like Matanza, now has a God inside of him. Remember that guy we saw in the limo? He's now inside Cage.

My thinking is that Cage only has the power of a god but is not a god himself and that our mysterious limo lord is stll alive and kicking but like in comics he has found a stronger artifact so he basically gave away the gauntlet because it both pales in comparison and also because there is probably some downside to it akin to probably taking onces life force the more they use it.

[MolotovMocktail]

Dec 29, 2016 13:22:22 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

I was sure right up untill Cage put on the Gauntlet that he was gonna literally talk different and having glowing eyes to indicate that he was taken over.

But now I think it was looked at in the wrong sense....him being inhabited by the god did not acutally mean he would be inhabited by another being but be infused with the powers of a god because and this is in theory that the lord no longer needs that Gauntlet as a source of power as it is beneath his power scale now.

So in short IMO the lord still exsists but much like artifacts in comics he probably found a way that makes whatever power the gauntlet puts out pale in comparison.

This also answers my question that anyone with the god's powers still has free will, rather than the god outright possessing them. If you're a fan of Naruto, it seems to be similar to a jinchuuriki hosting a Tailed Beast.

Yeah Cage, like Matanza, now has a God inside of him. Remember that guy we saw in the limo? He's now inside Cage.

Next question: does the god, or the lord, only inhabit the person's body when he wears the Gauntlet? Or was it only needed once to transfer the soul/powers?

[Mayonnaise]

Dec 30, 2016 18:51:01 GMT -5 MolotovMocktail said:

Dec 29, 2016 13:22:22 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

I was sure right up untill Cage put on the Gauntlet that he was gonna literally talk different and having glowing eyes to indicate that he was taken over.

But now I think it was looked at in the wrong sense....him being inhabited by the god did not acutally mean he would be inhabited by another being but be infused with the powers of a god because and this is in theory that the lord no longer needs that Gauntlet as a source of power as it is beneath his power scale now.

So in short IMO the lord still exsists but much like artifacts in comics he probably found a way that makes whatever power the gauntlet puts out pale in comparison.

This also answers my question that anyone with the god's powers still has free will, rather than the god outright possessing them. If you're a fan of Naruto, it seems to be similar to a jinchuuriki hosting a Tailed Beast.

Yeah Cage, like Matanza, now has a God inside of him. Remember that guy we saw in the limo? He's now inside Cage.

Next question: does the god, or the lord, only inhabit the person's body when he wears the Gauntlet? Or was it only needed once to transfer the soul/powers?

This makes me think of Matanza's key. We've seen how Dario reacts to losing it, how he uses it to control Matanza and we know that Matanza is somehow carrying a God, so is the key possibly his version of Cage's Gauntlet? We know their father invited the God in but how or with what we don't (that I am aware of).

It brings up does the key controls Matanza so he doesn't go out of the God's control or is it a totem (so to speak) that allows the Cueto family to control the God? If the latter, could Cage conceivably take control or does that fall to Councilman Delgado since he was the one arranging this?

[Woo]

Dec 30, 2016 13:48:49 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

Dec 30, 2016 3:51:24 GMT -5 Woo said:

Yeah Cage, like Matanza, now has a God inside of him. Remember that guy we saw in the limo? He's now inside Cage.

My thinking is that Cage only has the power of a god but is not a god himself and that our mysterious limo lord is stll alive and kicking but like in comics he has found a stronger artifact so he basically gave away the gauntlet because it both pales in comparison and also because there is probably some downside to it akin to probably taking onces life force the more they use it.

I think the Lord has gone. I think he dissolved into the gauntlet.

Delgardo: His descension is now complete.

Dario: Soon the Gods will be united and then nobody can stop us.

Delgardo: Have you chosen the next host body?

Dario: I have two in mind. Either one is perfect. They are both big, strong, almost God-like themselves.

Delgardo: Well then. One of them will be more than almost God-like.



I think from that the Lord's old host body for whatever reason was no longer any good and he needed a new stronger one. I think all of the Lord is in that gauntlet and now in Cage. Cage himself is still inside of Cage but I expect him to start losing his old sense of self over the rest of the year.

As for the key... I thought tbh because Mill had an object and Matanza had an object they just had them both come into play when they met and the key was nothing else but the key to Matanza's cell. It's been strongly hinted that the key unlocks the cell but it could be Matanza's version of the gauntlet and that his God like power is inside the key. Maybe he wasn't reaching for the key to unlock the cell but because it gave him power... though you'd think he wouldn't have left it behind after letting himself out then...

I do wonder if in later episodes we will need to see the gauntlet and key destroyed to kill the Gods.

The electric gauntlet really reminded me of Gwendolyn Post's one in Buffy season 2 which also had electric effects.

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Dec 30, 2016 3:51:24 GMT -5 Woo said:

Dec 29, 2016 19:11:47 GMT -5 chrom said:

I take it that The Gauntlet during the course of the season is going to slowly take over and possess Cage

Yeah Cage, like Matanza, now has a God inside of him. Remember that guy we saw in the limo? He's now inside Cage.

Fun fact: That guy in the limo was Lorenzo Lamas from that 90's show Renegade.

But yeah, like Cage wasn't enough of a badass already. Now it's like the Terminator has a gauntlet that gives him the powers of Thor.

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Well looking at the definitions of descenion

1. the action of descending; descent
2. astronomy the setting (descent below the horizon) of a celestial body
3. astronomy the section of the sky which descends below the horizon along with a given celestial body

Specifically that 2nd definition helps to reinforce my theory that the lord has in fact attained something far beyond the power of the gauntlet and that the gauntlet much like the key and catrinas stone are powerful artifacts.