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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 29, 2016 10:54:05 GMT -5
Uhhhhh.... You look at the paid attendance and gate for that show? I can't really say The Club even though they've been booked like total jokes. They sucked in Japan and they suck now. It's not really a fall from grace. The gate doesn't matter, what matters is the amount of bad that it did for WWE's relation with its fans that was so bad they basically had to reset the whole company after it. Gate does matter because that is the true barometer of success. People been criticizing the quality of Wrestlemania for over a decade and business for them keeps going up every year. Something got to be going right for that to happen. |
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Post by Platypus Mod, World's Finest on Dec 29, 2016 10:54:49 GMT -5
then had a go nowhere feud after turning on former tag team partner Darren Young, and put one some really bad matches and promos, to the point where the feud didn't even have a blow off And pretty much sunk Darren's new gimmick in the process. Because Darren and Bob were getting reactions before that... |
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Post by Captain Money Made (BLM) on Dec 29, 2016 10:56:53 GMT -5
Uhhhhh.... You look at the paid attendance and gate for that show? I can't really say The Club even though they've been booked like total jokes. They sucked in Japan and they suck now. It's not really a fall from grace. The gate doesn't matter, what matters is the amount of bad that it did for WWE's relation with its fans that was so bad they basically had to reset the whole company after it. That's a bad statement. Gate does matter. Fans can complain all they want but they already paid for it therefore making the event their biggest and most successful financially |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 29, 2016 10:58:50 GMT -5
Uhhhhh.... You look at the paid attendance and gate for that show? I can't really say The Club even though they've been booked like total jokes. They sucked in Japan and they suck now. It's not really a fall from grace. It's not even about them sucking in Japan it's the perception. You were basically part of "the raid" they included Nakamura and AJ Styles. Perception was you'll do fairly okay even though it was known they weren't world beaters. They have failed in meeting minimal standards The Club was a package deal with Styles. In order to get AJ, they had to sign the Club also. The Club are doing decent in WWE. Right at the level they should be. Main reason they did what they did in NJPW was because the heavyweight tag division is a wasteland. The Ascension would become IWGP champs if they went to New Japan just because of the lack of teams and depth. |
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Post by Captain Money Made (BLM) on Dec 29, 2016 11:02:34 GMT -5
It's not even about them sucking in Japan it's the perception. You were basically part of "the raid" they included Nakamura and AJ Styles. Perception was you'll do fairly okay even though it was known they weren't world beaters. They have failed in meeting minimal standards The Club was a package deal with Styles. In order to get AJ, they had to sign the Club also. The Club are doing decent in WWE. Right at the level they should be. Main reason they did what they did in NJPW was because the heavyweight tag division is a wasteland. The Ascension would become IWGP champs if they went to New Japan just because of the lack of teams and depth. Agreed. Like I said my way of justifying their L on the year is because of the perception. We all know they were part of the package for AJ but perception was once they debuted they would get a significant push. In the grand scheme of things they are where they are supposed to be. Could you have made them chants already, sure but the team isn't on life support. They just need AJ for credibility. Truthfully, they saved themselves their biggest L which was ending up in TNA |
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Post by Platypus Mod, World's Finest on Dec 29, 2016 11:03:21 GMT -5
It's not even about them sucking in Japan it's the perception. You were basically part of "the raid" they included Nakamura and AJ Styles. Perception was you'll do fairly okay even though it was known they weren't world beaters. They have failed in meeting minimal standards The Club was a package deal with Styles. In order to get AJ, they had to sign the Club also. The Club are doing decent in WWE. Right at the level they should be. Main reason they did what they did in NJPW was because the heavyweight tag division is a wasteland. The Ascension would become IWGP champs if they went to New Japan just because of the lack of teams and depth. Also known as how the Ascension became the longest reigning NXT tag champions  |
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Dec 29, 2016 11:10:27 GMT -5
Titus and Darren: RIP WWE careers
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 29, 2016 11:10:29 GMT -5
The Club was a package deal with Styles. In order to get AJ, they had to sign the Club also. The Club are doing decent in WWE. Right at the level they should be. Main reason they did what they did in NJPW was because the heavyweight tag division is a wasteland. The Ascension would become IWGP champs if they went to New Japan just because of the lack of teams and depth. Agreed. Like I said my way of justifying their L on the year is because of the perception. We all know they were part of the package for AJ but perception was once they debuted they would get a significant push. In the grand scheme of things they are where they are supposed to be. Could you have made them chants already, sure but the team isn't on life support. They just need AJ for credibility. Truthfully, they saved themselves their biggest L which was ending up in TNA WWE tried pushing them but I think no one in management actually watched their tag matches before signing them. They needed AJ more than he needed them. Once they got split, Balor had them gravitate his direction being their former leader. Balor got hurt and they had no real direction. If WWE wasn't so dire when it comes to heel tag teams, they would be stuck fighting Darren Young and whomever was left on the card on Superstars. |
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Post by Captain Money Made (BLM) on Dec 29, 2016 11:14:50 GMT -5
Agreed. Like I said my way of justifying their L on the year is because of the perception. We all know they were part of the package for AJ but perception was once they debuted they would get a significant push. In the grand scheme of things they are where they are supposed to be. Could you have made them chants already, sure but the team isn't on life support. They just need AJ for credibility. Truthfully, they saved themselves their biggest L which was ending up in TNA WWE tried pushing them but I think no one in management actually watched their tag matches before signing them. They needed AJ more than he needed them. Once they got split, Balor had them gravitate his direction being their former leader. Balor got hurt and they had no real direction. If WWE wasn't so dire when it comes to heel tag teams, they would be stuck fighting Darren Young and whomever was left on the card on Superstars. The Club needed a leader point blank which was the majority of intrigue. Will they reform with AJ or will Balor reclaim them and make Balor Club. Both of those options are off the table for the time being and they are stuck in mediocrity. Luckily for them either of those options can boost their stock again if WWE goes that route. |
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Post by Platypus Mod, World's Finest on Dec 29, 2016 11:23:00 GMT -5
Splitting the Club from AJ was a massive mistake... they were great as AJ's douchebag lackeys.
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Post by Captain Money Made (BLM) on Dec 29, 2016 11:25:30 GMT -5
Splitting the Club from AJ was a massive mistake... they were great as AJ's douchebag lackeys. Yea the beat up John Cena and My Hot Asian Wife shit was stuff because it was funny and they took them away from AJ which I still don't understand |
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Post by Lobo Catamaran on Dec 29, 2016 11:44:25 GMT -5
I would have to agree with The Vaudevillains as well. It's been full on cringe watching their steady decline since their huge victory at Takeover: Brooklyn I.
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Post by Shai on Dec 29, 2016 11:48:21 GMT -5
Wait? Gear for bleacher creatures?! Link? I have 3 of them now. Alas, I've had to think about putting them together myself. The clothing wouldn't be too difficult - the trousers would need to be wide enough to accommodate the feet and, if one wants to keep the tag on, the left sleeve would need to be openable along the top so that it will go around the arm instead of putting the arm through the sleeve. I've a bit of navy-stripe flannel I'm earmarking for pyjamas. I can sew but I'm shit at pattern making. If you figure out stuff hook me up. |
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Post by Shai on Dec 29, 2016 11:52:08 GMT -5
Either Vince himself, for the Andromeda galaxy sized L that was WM32 Uhhhhh.... You look at the paid attendance and gate for that show? I can't really say The Club even though they've been booked like total jokes. They sucked in Japan and they suck now. It's not really a fall from grace. It's pretty agreed even amongst casuals that WM32 was shitty. It made money of course but most people who went including people on here were pissed at how getting in was handled. |
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Post by nisidhe on Dec 29, 2016 12:55:59 GMT -5
Alas, I've had to think about putting them together myself. The clothing wouldn't be too difficult - the trousers would need to be wide enough to accommodate the feet and, if one wants to keep the tag on, the left sleeve would need to be openable along the top so that it will go around the arm instead of putting the arm through the sleeve. I've a bit of navy-stripe flannel I'm earmarking for pyjamas. I can sew but I'm shit at pattern making. If you figure out stuff hook me up. I'm thinking the patterns for 18" dolls (American Girl, etc.) will work for the proportions overall, but will need to have the legs shortened somewhat for the smaller overall height. The heads, too, are frickin' huge, so any tops would likely need to be pulled up from the bottom and closed with velcro along the tops of the shoulders and sleeves. |
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Post by Moon-Down Live on Dec 29, 2016 12:56:22 GMT -5
Uhhhhh.... You look at the paid attendance and gate for that show? The gate doesn't matter, what matters is the amount of bad that it did for WWE's relation with its fans that was so bad they basically had to reset the whole company after it. It's pretty agreed even amongst casuals that WM32 was shitty. It made money of course but most people who went including people on here were pissed at how getting in was handled. An L for Vince though? Dude is a promoter. He legit sold over 90 thousand tickets for a show where most of his main event stars were on the injured list. Thats a huuuuuuuge win. It doesnt matter if the fans were mad. Vince got that money. |
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Post by Shai on Dec 29, 2016 13:03:30 GMT -5
The gate doesn't matter, what matters is the amount of bad that it did for WWE's relation with its fans that was so bad they basically had to reset the whole company after it. It's pretty agreed even amongst casuals that WM32 was shitty. It made money of course but most people who went including people on here were pissed at how getting in was handled. An L for Vince though? Dude is a promoter. He legit sold over 90 thousand tickets for a show where most of his main event stars were on the injured list. Thats a huuuuuuuge win. It doesnt matter if the fans were mad. Vince got that money. It's freaking sad that your right. Making fans happy should matter just as much as the money but it doesn't and never will because most of us me infreakingcluded will still shell out money for WWE anyway. Even if we think the current product is shitty. Wrestling is so built on the nostalgia aspect that most of us shell out for the classic shit anyway. Like people that haven't watched WWE in 10 years but have the network to watch old stuff. |
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Post by EoE: Well There’s Your Problem on Dec 29, 2016 13:13:32 GMT -5
An L for Vince though? Dude is a promoter. He legit sold over 90 thousand tickets for a show where most of his main event stars were on the injured list. Thats a huuuuuuuge win. It doesnt matter if the fans were mad. Vince got that money. It's freaking sad that your right. Making fans happy should matter just as much as the money but it doesn't and never will because most of us me infreakingcluded will still shell out money for WWE anyway. Even if we think the current product is shitty. Wrestling is so built on the nostalgia aspect that most of us shell out for the classic shit anyway. Like people that haven't watched WWE in 10 years but have the network to watch old stuff. Indeed, if this tweet is anything to go by, they're doing great (even though they're nowhere near UFC numbers)... The concern is often based around the next TV deal, and how the falling ratings for RAW would effect that. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 13:26:29 GMT -5
The Vaudevillians. Lost their feud with American Alpha. Full Sail crowd got tired of them. Lost their last NXT match to the then unsigned indy standouts Gargano and Ciampa. Moved to the main roster with tepid fanfare for their debut. Had an unimpressive series of matches with the New Day. Moved down the card after that. Renewed rivalry with Enzo and Cass. Gotch nearly kills Enzo. WWE tried using that accident for heel heat for them and the crowd still is mild towards them. Enzo and Cass finally get their revenge against them and the Vaudevillians move even further down the crowd. Gotch gets into a backstage fight with Sin Cara. Sin Cara kicked his ass soundly. They disappear until needed once more for enhancement work. Get drafted to Smackdown and it's more of the same except more one sided and quicker in defeat. Lower on the food chain than the Ascension. And now literally reduced to being puppets. It will be a miracle if they aren't future endeavored in 2017. Winner. Shit, Aiden English is jobbing to frickin' Ellsworth in 10 seconds on the house show circuit right now. |
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Post by Captain Money Made (BLM) on Dec 29, 2016 14:54:32 GMT -5
It's freaking sad that your right. Making fans happy should matter just as much as the money but it doesn't and never will because most of us me infreakingcluded will still shell out money for WWE anyway. Even if we think the current product is shitty. Wrestling is so built on the nostalgia aspect that most of us shell out for the classic shit anyway. Like people that haven't watched WWE in 10 years but have the network to watch old stuff. Indeed, if this tweet is anything to go by, they're doing great (even though they're nowhere near UFC numbers)... The concern is often based around the next TV deal, and how the falling ratings for RAW would effect that. Well UFC is increasing in numbers hopefully this means everyone starts to get paid more than they were before |
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