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Post by Shai on Dec 29, 2016 12:09:00 GMT -5
In my opinion NXT has been in kinda a lull. The brand extension did exactly what I was afraid of and it's only going to get worse. NXT needs more people soon. I know they just signed a bunch of new talent so I hope it gets better soon. So many of NXTs franchise people got called up this year. Add that to people like Nia Jax and Apollo Crews who got called up too soon in my opinion and yeah I know there's still big stars on NXT but I'd absolutely expect Joe, Nakamura and Asuka to get called up between RR and WM.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 29, 2016 12:29:58 GMT -5
Yeah, it's going to be a bit of a rebuilding phase in 2017, I think. The roster has been absolutely GUTTED this year...
Sami Zayn
Finn Balor
Baron Corbin
Enzo Amore/Big Cass
American Alpha
Apollo Crews
Mojo Rawley
The Vaudevillians
Bayley
Alexa Bliss
Carmella
Nia Jax
Dana Brooke
That's a metric F***TON of people to lose from your roster in the space of 12 months, especially in the women's division. And they're probably on the verge of losing Samoa Joe and The Revival real soon, as well.
Adding to that, the death of their main mentor in Dusty Rhodes (also, one of their big creative minds) and the promotion of their top writer to the main roster has led to character building taking a hit. Lot of talents coming in and working on mostly pre-established characters this year. The only ones really doing something different from their normal act are Eric Young and Nikki Cross in SAnitY, and it's not even that much of a stretch for EY.
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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on Dec 29, 2016 12:31:49 GMT -5
I used to get so excited for Takeover shows incoming and now it's just kinda a thing that I easily forget about.
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Post by 543Y2J on Dec 29, 2016 12:42:58 GMT -5
They have too much talent and don't have enough time, energy or money to know what do with them. They hired TOMMY F***iNG END a couple of months back and he still isn't on NXT TV, and trust me when I say this, he is a top tier talent that I have had the pleasure of meeting and seeing live on multiple occasions.
Too many great cooks in the kitchen. I just hope they can sort it out in 2017 with the signing/spending spree that they are currently on
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 29, 2016 12:45:45 GMT -5
As someone who watched a lot of OVW (I mean it was right here in town) I can safely say this is to be expected. OVW had a terrific burst of talent early on and then a bunch of guys got called up around 2002 (Batista, Cena, Orton, Lesnar, etc.). OVW went into a real lull for a good 2 year time period quite honestly. I recall going to a show in 2004 where it was like Carlito and Mark Magnus (Muhammad Hassan) having a snoozer for the OVW title. Once WWE called up the regular OVW guys like Dinsmore, Conway, and the Bashams it was even worse. Finally Paul Heyman took over booking OVW and they did have a terrific group of guys circa 2005-06 like Bobby Lashley, Miz, Johnny Jeter, Matt Cappotelli, CM Punk, Brent Albright, Nick Nemeth (Ziggler), etc. Of course WWE put a bunch of the talented OVW guys in the idiotic Spirit Squad gimmick that killed all of them out of gate. I don't think OVW ever entirely recovered from all those call ups, as the rest of the WWE developmental years were marginal to say the least.
NXT as an offbeat alternative has some merit. As a developmental group it is basically junk. Most of the guys on there don't need to be on a developmental show whatsoever.
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Post by Shai on Dec 29, 2016 12:51:16 GMT -5
As someone who watched a lot of OVW (I mean it was right here in town) I can safely say this is to be expected. OVW had a terrific burst of talent early on and then a bunch of guys got called up around 2002 (Batista, Cena, Orton, Lesnar, etc.). OVW went into a real lull for a good 2 year time period quite honestly. I recall going to a show in 2004 where it was like Carlito and Mark Magnus (Muhammad Hassan) having a snoozer for the OVW title. Once WWE called up the regular OVW guys like Dinsmore, Conway, and the Bashams it was even worse. Finally Paul Heyman took over booking OVW and they did have a terrific group of guys circa 2005-06 like Bobby Lashley, Miz, Johnny Jeter, Matt Cappotelli, CM Punk, Brent Albright, Nick Nemeth (Ziggler), etc. Of course WWE put a bunch of the talented OVW guys in the idiotic Spirit Squad gimmick that killed all of them out of gate. I don't think OVW ever entirely recovered from all those call ups, as the rest of the WWE developmental years were marginal to say the least. NXT as an offbeat alternative has some merit. As a developmental group it is basically junk. Most of the guys on there don't need to be on a developmental show whatsoever. Yeah I kinda agree with this point. When Joe signed and they sent him to NXT my words were like WTF? Why is Samoa Joe on a developmental show. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 29, 2016 12:55:14 GMT -5
NXT TV is not really the Developmental league.
Yeah, some of it is there to get people used to the actual WWE presentation style but the actual developmental brand are the guys on the Florida House Show loop and the people not allowed outside the Performance Center
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 12:57:57 GMT -5
There's also the factor that many of the past NXT writers now work for SDL and Dusty Rhodes death for he played a huge role in wrestlers discovering there gimmicks or how to cut better promos.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Dec 29, 2016 13:01:07 GMT -5
NXT as an offbeat alternative has some merit. As a developmental group it is basically junk. Most of the guys on there don't need to be on a developmental show whatsoever. If you look at the guys who were developed exclusively through "the system", I would argue that the success rate as a developmental system hasn't exactly been impressive. And yeah, it's a little silly to see guys like Nakamura, Joe, Roderick Strong, Asuka, etc. on their 'developmental' show when all of those wrestlers are above and beyond most of the ones on the main roster. It would be like another baseball team getting Mike Trout and immediately sending him to their minor league team. It's just as stupid. Some would argue that they need to learn the "WWE style". Which is, what? Toning down most of your moves and learning to pose for the hard camera? I guess I'm a conspiracy theorist/idiot, but I am of the belief that most of these signings are a product of WWE/Triple H flashing their wallet and trying to hurt the other wrestling promotions that might accidentally hurt the WWE's business in some way or another. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 13:06:06 GMT -5
NXT as an offbeat alternative has some merit. As a developmental group it is basically junk. Most of the guys on there don't need to be on a developmental show whatsoever. If you look at the guys who were developed exclusively through "the system", I would argue that the success rate as a developmental system hasn't exactly been impressive. And yeah, it's a little silly to see guys like Nakamura, Joe, Roderick Strong, Asuka, etc. on their 'developmental' show when all of those wrestlers are above and beyond most of the ones on the main roster. It would be like another baseball team getting Mike Trout and immediately sending him to their minor league team. It's just as stupid. Some would argue that they need to learn the "WWE style". Which is, what? Toning down most of your moves and learning to pose for the hard camera? I guess I'm a conspiracy theorist/idiot, but I am of the belief that most of these signings are a product of WWE/Triple H flashing their wallet and trying to hurt the other wrestling promotions that might accidentally hurt the WWE's business in some way or another. I wouldn't even say Triple H is even that good of a negotiator since he's been given a way way way bigger budget then anyone else before and he's signing a bunch of guys to max contracts on a frequent basis that were rarely ever given out before. Like good for HHH in successfully getting Vince to open up his wallet |
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Post by Shai on Dec 29, 2016 13:07:25 GMT -5
NXT as an offbeat alternative has some merit. As a developmental group it is basically junk. Most of the guys on there don't need to be on a developmental show whatsoever. If you look at the guys who were developed exclusively through "the system", I would argue that the success rate as a developmental system hasn't exactly been impressive. And yeah, it's a little silly to see guys like Nakamura, Joe, Roderick Strong, Asuka, etc. on their 'developmental' show when all of those wrestlers are above and beyond most of the ones on the main roster. It would be like another baseball team getting Mike Trout and immediately sending him to their minor league team. It's just as stupid. Some would argue that they need to learn the "WWE style". Which is, what? Toning down most of your moves and learning to pose for the hard camera? I guess I'm a conspiracy theorist/idiot, but I am of the belief that most of these signings are a product of WWE/Triple H flashing their wallet and trying to hurt the other wrestling promotions that might accidentally hurt the WWE's business in some way or another. When they announced that UK tourny I definitely thought that. |
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Post by SUN ATTACK on Dec 29, 2016 13:07:26 GMT -5
I will say that it has been boring at least since the shows prior to Takeover: Unstoppable last year, to the point that the only reason that it was not as bad as RAW was the 2 hour difference between each show, so i dropped them because they managed to have a show where NOTHING HAPPENS in the course of an hour weekly.
Now then, Takeovers are pretty much the best thing in Wrestling, but i don't get hyped enough to watch the weekly shows, because Takeovers are the only shows where something happens in the NXT canon.
Hell, i can pretty much pinpoint which weekly NXT shows had something that happened that was close to important since i dropped weekly NXT (i think), the one where The CAWvival won the Tag Titles from the Vaudevillains, the one where they showed Joe winning the Belt from Finn in a house show, and the one where they showed Shinsuke winnning the belt from Joe in the same fashion.
When some people say that they are surprised that Smackdown LIVE is better than NXT is a bit baffling to me, because i thought even some of the earlier Smackdowns this year were better than weekly NXT.
Oh, and i also feel that it holds back guys like Joe, Asuka and Shinsuke because they should totally be on the main roster, they have starpower in the current state of wrestling.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Dec 29, 2016 13:11:07 GMT -5
If you look at the guys who were developed exclusively through "the system", I would argue that the success rate as a developmental system hasn't exactly been impressive. And yeah, it's a little silly to see guys like Nakamura, Joe, Roderick Strong, Asuka, etc. on their 'developmental' show when all of those wrestlers are above and beyond most of the ones on the main roster. It would be like another baseball team getting Mike Trout and immediately sending him to their minor league team. It's just as stupid. Some would argue that they need to learn the "WWE style". Which is, what? Toning down most of your moves and learning to pose for the hard camera? I guess I'm a conspiracy theorist/idiot, but I am of the belief that most of these signings are a product of WWE/Triple H flashing their wallet and trying to hurt the other wrestling promotions that might accidentally hurt the WWE's business in some way or another. When they announced that UK tourny I definitely thought that. Yep. In my opinion, the UK tourney is a result of World of Sport firing back up and the growth of various promotions in the UK. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 29, 2016 13:12:54 GMT -5
I look on the bright side here. Having those people on NXT means they're far away from Roman Reigns, and from Michael Cole's horrible commentary.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 29, 2016 13:15:12 GMT -5
The characters are definitely boring.
Most of them boil down to 'Man that entrance/entrance music!'
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 13:36:13 GMT -5
I do still watch NXT, but for the same reason I still watch Raw: I'm unemployed and don't have much of a life. It's boredom killer, and even then when I watch it it's just on in the background while I dick around online. It used to be a great show. Now it's boring as hell. And add 205 Live and ROH's weekly show to the group of stuff I watch purely out of boredom too. If I actually had a life and a job and stuff I'd only watch Smackdown, ROH ppvs, and Lucha Underground.
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Post by Mecca on Dec 29, 2016 13:43:38 GMT -5
I do still watch NXT, but for the same reason I still watch Raw: I'm unemployed and don't have much of a life. It's boredom killer, and even then when I watch it it's just on in the background while I dick around online. It used to be a great show. Now it's boring as hell. And add 205 Live and ROH's weekly show to the group of stuff I watch purely out of boredom too. If I actually had a life and a job and stuff I'd only watch Smackdown, ROH ppvs, and Lucha Underground. I've tried to watch Lucha Underground more than once and I just can't get into it, that may be because I have to specifically seek it out as it's hard to find but I didn't really enjoy the shows I watched. I did see a picture of Vampiro dressed like a Lucha Pope though which had me in tears laughing. |
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Post by thecrusherwi on Dec 29, 2016 13:46:46 GMT -5
The characters are definitely boring. Most of them boil down to 'Man that entrance/entrance music!' That's the problem I've always had with NXT and the modern era of WWE in general. All of these characters are told to us; not shown. No one had to tell us Steve Austin was a Rattlesnake or DX was juvenile, or hell that Rick Rude was vain. We saw it every single week in every single segment they're in. Most guys today are identical with a different narrative overlaid on commentary. It's like WWE Universe mode on the video games |
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Post by Mecca on Dec 29, 2016 13:54:21 GMT -5
99% of the WWE's problem is that they honestly don't have enough people with enough good ideas, that and not listening to the talent. The talent itself is as high as it's ever been there the problem is there is nothing compelling in the story aspects of the show.
In all reality Jim Cornette should love today's WWE they do a ton of "real sports" booking these days but truth be told is that doesn't really work very well overall.
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Post by trollrogue on Dec 30, 2016 1:46:17 GMT -5
So Oney Lorcan just pinned Cien Almas on NXT: Osaka last Wednesday (sure it was taped a month ago but still) and Tom Phillips made a point about saying that Cien had pinned CLEAN Shinsuke Nakamura in IWGP for their Intercontinental Championship. So... Oney > Nakamura in kayfabe NXT now
Yeah, that might have been the point when NXT jumped the shark for me
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