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Post by doguncle on Dec 31, 2016 14:05:33 GMT -5
All Japan, in addition to the moves already mentioned, pulled off a raid of New Japan in which Riki Chosu (sp) and his crew left NJPW for AJPW. Two or three years later, Chosu and most of his crew left All Japan for New Japan.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 1, 2017 1:05:50 GMT -5
All the guys that walked after Dixie's "My way or the highway" speech. Oh, wait, they were told to sit back down.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 1, 2017 1:14:06 GMT -5
All the guys that walked after Dixie's "My way or the highway" speech. Oh, wait, they were told to sit back down. Oh, they all left once they had the chance. In fact, TNA in 2012-2013 is certainly a notable exodus worthy of discussion here. |
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Post by J. Hova on Jan 1, 2017 3:08:10 GMT -5
JCP buying UWF's talent and then everyone not named Sting being jobbed out.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 1, 2017 7:34:54 GMT -5
JCP buying UWF's talent and then everyone not named Sting being jobbed out. He bought the whole company so it wasn't an true exodus or talent raid. More in the vein of WWE buying WCW and getting some wrestlers as part of the deal. |
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Post by J. Hova on Jan 1, 2017 7:41:27 GMT -5
JCP buying UWF's talent and then everyone not named Sting being jobbed out. He bought the whole company so it wasn't an true exodus or talent raid. More in the vein of WWE buying WCW and getting some wrestlers as part of the deal. I beg to differ.....I mean who else wasn't jobbed? Name we 3 others who weren't jobbed out besides Eddie Gilbert, Sting, or Rick Steiner. Honest to Christ, I'm not looking for a fight, I just don't recall any 3 other than that. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 1, 2017 7:42:13 GMT -5
Didn't Konnan lead a big exodus out of AAA in the mid-90's to something called Promo Azteca that only lasted 4 or 5 years? Konnan took the AAA wrestlers who were working for WCW at the time with him to his new promotion due having a fallout with Pena. WCW co-signed on the move because that meant they didn't have to send money to AAA for the luchadors. All they had to do was let them have time off to work Promo Azteca. WCW did a story about the promotion in their magazine. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 1, 2017 7:46:17 GMT -5
He bought the whole company so it wasn't an true exodus or talent raid. More in the vein of WWE buying WCW and getting some wrestlers as part of the deal. I beg to differ.....I mean who else wasn't jobbed? Name we 3 others who weren't jobbed out besides Eddie Gilbert, Sting, or Rick Steiner. Honest to Christ, I'm not looking for a fight, I just don't recall any 3 other than that. I'm not talking about jobbing out UWF talent which happened. I am saying that it was not a talent raid or exodus if JCP bought the company. UWF became JCP employees with the sell. Crockett jobbed most of them because he wanted to buy the company to kill competition and only had real plans for a couple them. Everyone else was cannon fodder they were planning to dump when they got the chance. |
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Post by J. Hova on Jan 1, 2017 8:08:09 GMT -5
I beg to differ.....I mean who else wasn't jobbed? Name we 3 others who weren't jobbed out besides Eddie Gilbert, Sting, or Rick Steiner. Honest to Christ, I'm not looking for a fight, I just don't recall any 3 other than that. I'm not talking about jobbing out UWF talent which happened. I am saying that it was not a talent raid or exodus if JCP bought the company. UWF became JCP employees with the sell. Crockett jobbed most of them because he wanted to buy the company to kill competition and only had real plans for a couple them. Everyone else was cannon fodder they were planning to dump when they got the chance. I'm not trying to be an ass, so don't take it that way, but I don't see the difference. If I was a promoter, and I bought a company I could sure as hell find something for others besides Sting, Rick Steiner, and Eddie Gilbert. I think we are trying to get to the same conclusion via different routes. It would probably be best for all parties involved if JCP stayed east of the Mississippi River and became dominant there with several ME talents (Ric Flair, Ricky Steamboat, Sting), strong undercard (Andersons, Barry Windham, Dustin Rhodes, etc.), and keep the territories alive to some extent. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 1, 2017 8:36:42 GMT -5
I'm not talking about jobbing out UWF talent which happened. I am saying that it was not a talent raid or exodus if JCP bought the company. UWF became JCP employees with the sell. Crockett jobbed most of them because he wanted to buy the company to kill competition and only had real plans for a couple them. Everyone else was cannon fodder they were planning to dump when they got the chance. I'm not trying to be an ass, so don't take it that way, but I don't see the difference. If I was a promoter, and I bought a company I could sure as hell find something for others besides Sting, Rick Steiner, and Eddie Gilbert. I think we are trying to get to the same conclusion via different routes. It would probably be best for all parties involved if JCP stayed east of the Mississippi River and became dominant there with several ME talents (Ric Flair, Ricky Steamboat, Sting), strong undercard (Andersons, Barry Windham, Dustin Rhodes, etc.), and keep the territories alive to some extent. JCP at the time wasn't thinking about keeping territories alive. They did like a lot of promoters do in that situation: Make the other guys look bad so your guys come off a the superior talent. Plus buying UWF meant they now own their slice of the wrestling scene and expanded into that area. WWF went national and became the Mother f***ing Juggernaut in wrestling. All of the major companies left were trying combat the move by either forming alliances that failed or going national themselves. UWF tried going national and it failed. Which is the reason why JCP bought them. JCP tried the same and they failed. Which lead to Ted Turner buying them and WCW was created. WWF broke territory lines by either running shows in that stronghold, taking over their tv show slots, and/or signing their top names. No safe space was left in North America. |
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Jan 1, 2017 9:03:35 GMT -5
All the guys that walked after Dixie's "My way or the highway" speech. Oh, wait, they were told to sit back down.  |
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Post by brody on Jan 2, 2017 0:54:32 GMT -5
The AWA to WWF in '83-'84: Hogan, Heenan, Mean Gene, Jesse Ventura, Dr. D, Adrian Adonis. Minor, but Adonis was already gone to Texas when Vince snagged him. Vince also snagged Mad Dog Vachon and AWA's TV producer in those early months. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 2, 2017 2:35:50 GMT -5
An often-overlooked one is PWF. The successor to Championship Wrestling from Florida (and attempting to go national), it saw its quick brush with national awareness via the Apter mags die out quick when WWF stole Dusty (the top babyface as well as booker) and Big Steel Man (Fred Ottman, the top heel) just months after the big show that got them coverage.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jan 2, 2017 18:17:28 GMT -5
Benoit, Malenko, Guerrero and Public Enemy to WCW in late 95/early 96 with Sabu making a few appearances and rumored to be jumping ship for good. Came here to mention that...it started with the New Japan Three, leading to various ECW guys and the luchadors the 2 years to come. Not a raid necessarily, but ECW using the luchadors after the New Japan 3 left? Anyone mention WCCW guys going to the UWF with Ken Mantell? GWF's talent pool draining month by month when people realized the foreign backers weren't real. Pretty much leaving them with guys who lived near Dallas. (WWF and WCW had a minor double raid of the GWF as it began...Cactus, Scott Anthony to WCW; Busick, Walker to WWF) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 18:24:50 GMT -5
I'm not talking about jobbing out UWF talent which happened. I am saying that it was not a talent raid or exodus if JCP bought the company. UWF became JCP employees with the sell. Crockett jobbed most of them because he wanted to buy the company to kill competition and only had real plans for a couple them. Everyone else was cannon fodder they were planning to dump when they got the chance. I'm not trying to be an ass, so don't take it that way, but I don't see the difference. If I was a promoter, and I bought a company I could sure as hell find something for others besides Sting, Rick Steiner, and Eddie Gilbert. I think we are trying to get to the same conclusion via different routes. It would probably be best for all parties involved if JCP stayed east of the Mississippi River and became dominant there with several ME talents (Ric Flair, Ricky Steamboat, Sting), strong undercard (Andersons, Barry Windham, Dustin Rhodes, etc.), and keep the territories alive to some extent. The difference is concerning the question this thread asked. One promotion buying another isn't a "talent raid" from an existing promotion, it's a promotion folding and selling the entire thing to another company. Yes, JCP poorly used the talent they acquired from the UWF, but that wasn't a talent raid. That was Bill Watts selling his entire company to Jim Crockett because he was going out of business. |
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