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Post by eDemento2099 on Jan 2, 2017 0:40:35 GMT -5
You couldn't pay me to watch any of that crap. Notice how almost all of it is more of the same superhero movie BS we've been force-fed for over a decade? You aren't being force fed. You don't have to watch or pay attention to anything you don't want to. I was obviously being hyperbolic when I used the term 'force-fed,' but there is some truth to it: between superhero movies and unnecessary, unoriginal remakes of existing movies I've already seen, there really isn't much choice as far as new Hollywood movies go. For that reason, Hollywood hasn't gotten any money from me in years, because with the limited options they offer, I'm happier spending my time and money on other things than supporting an industry that is already dead to me. Yes, I'd rather 'starve' myself of new Hollywood films that consume the CRAP that passes for choice and originality today.
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Post by wildojinx on Jan 2, 2017 1:38:13 GMT -5
You aren't being force fed. You don't have to watch or pay attention to anything you don't want to. I was obviously being hyperbolic when I used the term 'force-fed,' but there is some truth to it: between superhero movies and unnecessary, unoriginal remakes of existing movies I've already seen, there really isn't much choice as far as new Hollywood movies go. For that reason, Hollywood hasn't gotten any money from me in years, because with the limited options they offer, I'm happier spending my time and money on other things than supporting an industry that is already dead to me. Yes, I'd rather 'starve' myself of new Hollywood films that consume the CRAP that passes for choice and originality today. Why just stick to Hollywood films? If you have Netflix you have a whole wide range of all types of films (and if you have a roku, there's even more film options, many of which are free).
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Post by Mackenzie Gorn on Jan 2, 2017 1:47:34 GMT -5
You aren't being force fed. You don't have to watch or pay attention to anything you don't want to. I was obviously being hyperbolic when I used the term 'force-fed,' but there is some truth to it: between superhero movies and unnecessary, unoriginal remakes of existing movies I've already seen, there really isn't much choice as far as new Hollywood movies go. For that reason, Hollywood hasn't gotten any money from me in years, because with the limited options they offer, I'm happier spending my time and money on other things than supporting an industry that is already dead to me. Yes, I'd rather 'starve' myself of new Hollywood films that consume the CRAP that passes for choice and originality today. K. I mean admitting to using hyperbole smells of backpedaling but your clearly a man of integrity who knows how to use his CAPS LOCK to prove a point. So starve away, comparing your not wanting to see to Dr. Strange to people dying is super CLASSY(Did I do it right?). Also the idea that because someone has money it's okay not to pay them is some dumb shit. Stealing is stealing. Tax brackets don't come into it.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jan 2, 2017 1:47:44 GMT -5
People can torrent a movie, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the movie is popular, i.e. liked by a majority of people. Half of the list has movies that weren't well-received either critically or in terms of online discourse. For better or worse, interest in seeing a movie does not always translate into interest in paying to see a movie in theatres.
EDIT: Which is to say, rather than people being forced to watch these movies, people are exercising the judicious use of how and when to see a movie.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jan 2, 2017 2:55:58 GMT -5
Would be funny if the number one pirated movie was a movie about pirates.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Jan 2, 2017 9:45:34 GMT -5
I was obviously being hyperbolic when I used the term 'force-fed,' but there is some truth to it: between superhero movies and unnecessary, unoriginal remakes of existing movies I've already seen, there really isn't much choice as far as new Hollywood movies go. For that reason, Hollywood hasn't gotten any money from me in years, because with the limited options they offer, I'm happier spending my time and money on other things than supporting an industry that is already dead to me. Yes, I'd rather 'starve' myself of new Hollywood films that consume the CRAP that passes for choice and originality today. K. I mean admitting to using hyperbole smells of backpedaling but your clearly a man of integrity who knows how to use his CAPS LOCK to prove a point. So starve away, comparing your not wanting to see to Dr. Strange to people dying is super CLASSY(Did I do it right?). Also the idea that because someone has money it's okay not to pay them is some dumb shit. Stealing is stealing. Tax brackets don't come into it. Why are you making this into a personal thing? If you want me to apologize for using using the word 'starve' loosely, fine, I'm sorry to have unintentionally offended you. I guess I should refrain from sparingly using caps for the same reason. Anyway, as I said, I have no interest in any of the films on the list, so I won't pay for them nor download them by unofficial means.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Jan 2, 2017 13:40:56 GMT -5
I was obviously being hyperbolic when I used the term 'force-fed,' but there is some truth to it: between superhero movies and unnecessary, unoriginal remakes of existing movies I've already seen, there really isn't much choice as far as new Hollywood movies go. For that reason, Hollywood hasn't gotten any money from me in years, because with the limited options they offer, I'm happier spending my time and money on other things than supporting an industry that is already dead to me. Yes, I'd rather 'starve' myself of new Hollywood films that consume the CRAP that passes for choice and originality today. Also the idea that because someone has money it's okay not to pay them is some dumb shit. Stealing is stealing. Tax brackets don't come into it. To be fair, some people download the movies after they see them in theaters because they immediately want to watch them again. I know quite a few people who did that with Deadpool and Force Awakens. I guess that still falls into a shady area, but yeah. Also, StuntGranny PSA: For f***'s sake don't argue to the point where this thread is locked. A lot of good threads are locked due to people making arguments personal. Let's debate without the hate, brothers and sisters. I'm just pleading to everyone in general, not to certain people.
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Post by Shai on Jan 2, 2017 15:56:18 GMT -5
Also the idea that because someone has money it's okay not to pay them is some dumb shit. Stealing is stealing. Tax brackets don't come into it. To be fair, some people download the movies after they see them in theaters because they immediately want to watch them again. I know quite a few people who did that with Deadpool and Force Awakens. I guess that still falls into a shady area, but yeah. Also, StuntGranny PSA: For f***'s sake don't argue to the point where this thread is locked. A lot of good threads are locked due to people making arguments personal. Let's debate without the hate, brothers and sisters. I'm just pleading to everyone in general, not to certain people. Yup, I'm guilty of getting stuff after I see it in theaters. Tho honestly I usually end up buying it anyway because I like DVDs its a point of pride when people walk in my living room and are in awe of my families massive DVD collection.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jan 2, 2017 20:04:08 GMT -5
Torrenting big movies I'm indifferent toward. It's not something I do personally (mostly because I don't trust most torrent websites not to give my computer a million viruses) but I have nothing against other people doing it either.
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Post by Jiren on Jan 2, 2017 22:58:00 GMT -5
really the only time I'll bootleg a flick is when they're fart in the wind releases, Some movies I've really wanted to see but clash with my work schedule during mon - fri and on weekends are on at stupid o'clock.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 3, 2017 16:22:53 GMT -5
There's a lot of sarcasm in this thread, but only a handful of movies per year make shitloads of money in this way despite being torrented.
The number of people in the world that will see a movie is finite. If everyone is torrenting and paying to see that one movie, there are a metric f***ton of other movies that die a death at the box office because nobody pays to see them, or just downloads them, or neither.
And the 'torrenting clearly doesn't hurt sales' argument also makes no sense. The final figure being enormous doesn't mean it wasn't hurt. If a million people download your movie, that's a million people that haven't paid to see it even if your movie already made $3bn.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 3, 2017 17:06:18 GMT -5
And the 'torrenting clearly doesn't hurt sales' argument also makes no sense. The final figure being enormous doesn't mean it wasn't hurt. If a million people download your movie, that's a million people that haven't paid to see it even if your movie already made $3bn. That's making the assumption that every one of those million downloaders haven't paid to see the movie properly already, or would've paid to see it in the first place. There will always be people who will simply pirate something rather than paying for it, of course, but it's not a black-and-white situation.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 3, 2017 17:14:05 GMT -5
And the 'torrenting clearly doesn't hurt sales' argument also makes no sense. The final figure being enormous doesn't mean it wasn't hurt. If a million people download your movie, that's a million people that haven't paid to see it even if your movie already made $3bn. That's making the assumption that every one of those million downloaders haven't paid to see the movie properly already, or would've paid to see it in the first place. There will always be people who will simply pirate something rather than paying for it, of course, but it's not a black-and-white situation. Obviously it isn't a black-and-white situation. However I think if people were more inclined to pay for things then things would possibly have more value. Why would you pay to see a movie when you can download it for free anyway? I don't blame people for that logic, but I choose to experience less media and actually pay for what I enjoy every single time. Trust me, as a music fan that can make things very f***ing difficult (hello iTunes exclusive bonus tracks).
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 3, 2017 17:57:00 GMT -5
It's worth mentioning that while the wait is less nowadays, you still have to wait months after a movie's left theaters to be released on home video and this isn't something that any other form of entertainment does. We have it pretty good now with Redbox making rentals as cheap as ever and Netflix offering recent movies, but they should work on this waiting period between theater release and home video.
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Post by Mackenzie Gorn on Jan 3, 2017 20:27:52 GMT -5
And the 'torrenting clearly doesn't hurt sales' argument also makes no sense. The final figure being enormous doesn't mean it wasn't hurt. If a million people download your movie, that's a million people that haven't paid to see it even if your movie already made $3bn. That's making the assumption that every one of those million downloaders haven't paid to see the movie properly already, or would've paid to see it in the first place. There will always be people who will simply pirate something rather than paying for it, of course, but it's not a black-and-white situation. It really is. Stealing is against the law. Torrenting is literally stealing. Ergo...
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 3, 2017 21:01:55 GMT -5
That's making the assumption that every one of those million downloaders haven't paid to see the movie properly already, or would've paid to see it in the first place. There will always be people who will simply pirate something rather than paying for it, of course, but it's not a black-and-white situation. It really is. Stealing is against the law. Torrenting is literally stealing. Ergo... Yes it is, but the legality wasn't what I was talking about. At all. I was referring to why people torrent. It's not as simple as everybody who torrents doesn't make a contribution to the profits of a movie, and everybody who does make a contribution to the profits of the movie would never torrent. Many do fit into those categories, while others occupy the grey area in between. As others in this thread have already said, they pay to go see a movie in the theatre and then torrent a copy to tide them over until the home release, where they pay out again.
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 3, 2017 22:30:44 GMT -5
That's making the assumption that every one of those million downloaders haven't paid to see the movie properly already, or would've paid to see it in the first place. There will always be people who will simply pirate something rather than paying for it, of course, but it's not a black-and-white situation. It really is. Stealing is against the law. Torrenting is literally stealing. Ergo... The thing is, you can't focus on the legality because so many people torrent movies. It's not something that's going to be fixed by labeling everyone "criminals" and trying to sue them. You have to deal with why people torrent and offer viable alternatives that still make you money while appealing to a demand that's clearly there.
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Post by Thunderbolt on Jan 3, 2017 23:03:09 GMT -5
According to that site, the "worldwide grosses" for Deadpool, Captain America: Civil War, Star Wars The Force Awakens, and X-Men Apocalypse were all exactly the same at $783,770,709.
I just made the most important post in this thread.
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Post by mysterydriver on Jan 3, 2017 23:40:35 GMT -5
There was also a court case this year where a company put their film on a torrent site to bait people in before sending "You stole this, we have your IP. You can settle for ____ or we will take you to court," messages. Turns out you can't give your film away for free and then say it was stolen, so that company lost and had to pay back those who actually 'settled.'
Apparently, it was a common strategy in porn because the idea of being taken to court "Where you will be found guilty of illegally downloading Naughty Girls Like Naughtier Girls 7" was an effective strategy.
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Post by Mackenzie Gorn on Jan 4, 2017 1:41:08 GMT -5
It really is. Stealing is against the law. Torrenting is literally stealing. Ergo... The thing is, you can't focus on the legality because so many people torrent movies. It's not something that's going to be fixed by labeling everyone "criminals" and trying to sue them. You have to deal with why people torrent and offer viable alternatives that still make you money while appealing to a demand that's clearly there. No you totally can. Because alot of people are doing it is not a reason to decriminalize it. If burglaries happen you don't ask the criminals why they did it then open a new Best Buy.
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