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Post by xCompackx on Jan 3, 2017 21:17:22 GMT -5
To be fair, WWE is kind of working with WCPW in that they're using some talent for the UK tournament. WCPW just announced that the 4 people involved in the tournament will no longer be working with WCPW. Well... yeah. Guess it's not so much "working with WCPW" as it is "Taking from WCPW". |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 22:02:51 GMT -5
I'm more concerned about the bad ideas in YouTube comments. "BRING BAK TEH ATITTUDE ERA!!!!" "Man, wrestlers today are pussy gay! Bring back BLOOD!!! 1!! |
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Post by Shark on Jan 3, 2017 22:12:10 GMT -5
I know it was a bad idea, but I wanted so badly to see it happen and had it been something like Lucha Underground it may have happened. Last year I wanted to see an angle where the NXT title became like the One Ring and corrupt the people who held it. Looking at the title's history, all of the faces who won it, Rollins, Big E, Bo Dallas, and Neville either turned heel while holding the title or at least showed heel tendencies while champion. In the case of Neville, he never went full heel, but he did start bending the rules near the end of his reign. The idea being he was more pure than the others and it took the ring longer to start corrupting him. Sami had his moment of corruption during his title match with Neville and nearly used the belt to win, but he didn't because he fought the belt's influence and proved how good and pure he is. Even when he lost it, Neville realized the errors of his ways. Then comes Kevin Owens who is so rotten that he immediately became obsessed with the title and destroyed Sami to get it. It actually felt like WWE started to tease me with this because when Balor made his entrance at Takeover Brooklyn, he almost acted like Gollum around the title, but instead of Balor turning heel on Joe, which I thought they were teasing, they had Joe turn heel instead. Had they gone my way, I'd have had someone pure face like Crews and he'd see what the belt was doing and have it melted down at a refinery or something and then introduce a new NXT title belt. I know how bad it would have been, but I would have gotten such a kick out of it.
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Post by nickcave on Jan 4, 2017 2:08:32 GMT -5
I know it was a bad idea, but I wanted so badly to see it happen and had it been something like Lucha Underground it may have happened. Last year I wanted to see an angle where the NXT title became like the One Ring and corrupt the people who held it. Looking at the title's history, all of the faces who won it, Rollins, Big E, Bo Dallas, and Neville either turned heel while holding the title or at least showed heel tendencies while champion. In the case of Neville, he never went full heel, but he did start bending the rules near the end of his reign. The idea being he was more pure than the others and it took the ring longer to start corrupting him. Sami had his moment of corruption during his title match with Neville and nearly used the belt to win, but he didn't because he fought the belt's influence and proved how good and pure he is. Even when he lost it, Neville realized the errors of his ways. Then comes Kevin Owens who is so rotten that he immediately became obsessed with the title and destroyed Sami to get it. It actually felt like WWE started to tease me with this because when Balor made his entrance at Takeover Brooklyn, he almost acted like Gollum around the title, but instead of Balor turning heel on Joe, which I thought they were teasing, they had Joe turn heel instead. Had they gone my way, I'd have had someone pure face like Crews and he'd see what the belt was doing and have it melted down at a refinery or something and then introduce a new NXT title belt. I know how bad it would have been, but I would have gotten such a kick out of it. This thread is for bad ideas, not ideas that will lead to the next boom period. On a similar note, that infamous thread on here about Kane retiring Ric Flair, stripping Flair of his clothes, handing him a business suit and burning his robe to absorb his powers is the gold standard for bad booking ideas. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 2:28:30 GMT -5
I know it was a bad idea, but I wanted so badly to see it happen and had it been something like Lucha Underground it may have happened. Last year I wanted to see an angle where the NXT title became like the One Ring and corrupt the people who held it. Looking at the title's history, all of the faces who won it, Rollins, Big E, Bo Dallas, and Neville either turned heel while holding the title or at least showed heel tendencies while champion. In the case of Neville, he never went full heel, but he did start bending the rules near the end of his reign. The idea being he was more pure than the others and it took the ring longer to start corrupting him. Sami had his moment of corruption during his title match with Neville and nearly used the belt to win, but he didn't because he fought the belt's influence and proved how good and pure he is. Even when he lost it, Neville realized the errors of his ways. Then comes Kevin Owens who is so rotten that he immediately became obsessed with the title and destroyed Sami to get it. It actually felt like WWE started to tease me with this because when Balor made his entrance at Takeover Brooklyn, he almost acted like Gollum around the title, but instead of Balor turning heel on Joe, which I thought they were teasing, they had Joe turn heel instead. Had they gone my way, I'd have had someone pure face like Crews and he'd see what the belt was doing and have it melted down at a refinery or something and then introduce a new NXT title belt. I know how bad it would have been, but I would have gotten such a kick out of it. This thread is for bad ideas, not ideas that will lead to the next boom period. On a similar note, that infamous thread on here about Kane retiring Ric Flair, stripping Flair of his clothes, handing him a business suit and burning his robe to absorb his powers is the gold standard for bad booking ideas. So that came from here? Weird...  Also they totally stole that from the real life segment where Goldust burned his gear in a trashcan on RAW and said he was no longer Goldust. |
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jan 4, 2017 4:01:36 GMT -5
I know it was a bad idea, but I wanted so badly to see it happen and had it been something like Lucha Underground it may have happened. Last year I wanted to see an angle where the NXT title became like the One Ring and corrupt the people who held it. Looking at the title's history, all of the faces who won it, Rollins, Big E, Bo Dallas, and Neville either turned heel while holding the title or at least showed heel tendencies while champion. In the case of Neville, he never went full heel, but he did start bending the rules near the end of his reign. The idea being he was more pure than the others and it took the ring longer to start corrupting him. Sami had his moment of corruption during his title match with Neville and nearly used the belt to win, but he didn't because he fought the belt's influence and proved how good and pure he is. Even when he lost it, Neville realized the errors of his ways. Then comes Kevin Owens who is so rotten that he immediately became obsessed with the title and destroyed Sami to get it. It actually felt like WWE started to tease me with this because when Balor made his entrance at Takeover Brooklyn, he almost acted like Gollum around the title, but instead of Balor turning heel on Joe, which I thought they were teasing, they had Joe turn heel instead. Had they gone my way, I'd have had someone pure face like Crews and he'd see what the belt was doing and have it melted down at a refinery or something and then introduce a new NXT title belt. I know how bad it would have been, but I would have gotten such a kick out of it. I wish this would happen. It's just the right amount of idiocy that I enjoy in wrestling. |
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Post by eJm on Jan 4, 2017 4:41:43 GMT -5
WCPW just announced that the 4 people involved in the tournament will no longer be working with WCPW. Well... yeah. Guess it's not so much "working with WCPW" as it is "Taking from WCPW". We all talk about Vince's amazing relationship with the territories all the time to be fair. 😋 |
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Post by Mackenzie Gorn on Jan 4, 2017 5:04:52 GMT -5
Anytime somebody talks about their "headcanon", it is usually and completely cringeworthy. Bull Dempsey totally lost the weight and resumed his day-job of being Rob McElhenny and no internet buzzword will change in that my mind! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 5:54:58 GMT -5
That kayfabe is dead and should be ignored, which basically makes the entire wrestling industry pointless. I'd probably put this as the bad idea myself. It's stupid and pointless to insist on an adherence to kayfabe in a time period when the fanbase is more smarky than ever, especially given the go-to to insult wrestling and its fans is, "You know it's fake, right?" By all means stick to it during the show, which WWE is quite prone to not doing and that is itself quite a big problem, but it's pointless to stay in character on Twitter and shit or avoid having press events with guys who are feuding or whatever, because you're not going to see them promoting Avengers by having Tom Hiddleston attack Chris Hemsworth on the set of Ghostbusters to make their feud look more legit. You're making the industry look more backward and carny putting up the pretense when you should be trying to shed that image if you want to gain some respectability for it. |
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Post by trollrogue on Jan 4, 2017 13:11:12 GMT -5
Kayfabe in it's pioneer form is pretty much dead. Everyone knows wrestling is predetermined. But nowadays wrestlers don't have to pretend to be their 'character' outside of the ring anymore-- look at Total Divas and Total Bellas where we get the wrestlers real names. Even though Daniel Bryan is the GM of SDLive, 'Bryan Danielson' is the father-to-be married to Brianna Danielson.
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Post by eJm on Jan 4, 2017 13:20:13 GMT -5
That kayfabe is dead and should be ignored, which basically makes the entire wrestling industry pointless. I'd probably put this as the bad idea myself. It's stupid and pointless to insist on an adherence to kayfabe in a time period when the fanbase is more smarky than ever, especially given the go-to to insult wrestling and its fans is, "You know it's fake, right?" By all means stick to it during the show, which WWE is quite prone to not doing and that is itself quite a big problem, but it's pointless to stay in character on Twitter and shit or avoid having press events with guys who are feuding or whatever, because you're not going to see them promoting Avengers by having Tom Hiddleston attack Chris Hemsworth on the set of Ghostbusters to make their feud look more legit. You're making the industry look more backward and carny putting up the pretense when you should be trying to shed that image if you want to gain some respectability for it. Kayfabe in it's pioneer form is pretty much dead. Everyone knows wrestling is predetermined. But nowadays wrestlers don't have to pretend to be their 'character' outside of the ring anymore-- look at Total Divas and Total Bellas where we get the wrestlers real names. Even though Daniel Bryan is the GM of SDLive, 'Bryan Danielson' is the father-to-be married to Brianna Danielson. Pretty much the both of these. People are seriously not going to be drawn back to the WWE and pro wrestling in general if wrestlers did promos on Twitter and ambushed each other on Late Night with Seth Meyers. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 4, 2017 13:30:53 GMT -5
That kayfabe is dead and should be ignored, which basically makes the entire wrestling industry pointless. I'd probably put this as the bad idea myself. It's stupid and pointless to insist on an adherence to kayfabe in a time period when the fanbase is more smarky than ever, especially given the go-to to insult wrestling and its fans is, "You know it's fake, right?" By all means stick to it during the show, which WWE is quite prone to not doing and that is itself quite a big problem, but it's pointless to stay in character on Twitter and shit or avoid having press events with guys who are feuding or whatever, because you're not going to see them promoting Avengers by having Tom Hiddleston attack Chris Hemsworth on the set of Ghostbusters to make their feud look more legit. You're making the industry look more backward and carny putting up the pretense when you should be trying to shed that image if you want to gain some respectability for it. Wrestling is different to movies. No one watches wrestling and thinks it's Paul Levesque "playing" HHH or Mark Calloway "playing" the Undertaker. If wrestlers do promotional events with non-WWE media sources, it works if the people they are talking to play along with the suspension of disbelief. WWE wrestlers shouldn't be doing any interviews or press junkets with any idiot who would use the "it's fake" bullshit when speaking to them. |
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Post by trollrogue on Jan 4, 2017 14:47:37 GMT -5
I agree with Hit Girl in saying that wrestling is 'different to movies', for better or worse the way the WWE is presented especially in backstage segments outside the ring where reality blurs with the scripted shenanigans of pro-wrestling (i.e. busting cinderblocks over someone's head that is made of paper-mache, or Vince McMahon 'exploding' in his limo) it adds to the effect to have people play along with the Superstars.
And when you watch "The Avengers" movies in a theatre, you 'play along' also-- there's no Spider-Man in real life, there's no Captain America, but damn it would be cool to pretend that the movies are actual real life for those 2 hours and change you're in your IMAX theatre shovelling popcorn down your gullet. Wrestlers don't use 'special effects' (that limo example being a notable exception) and really Superstars use the strength of their own years of training to get over action in the ring by incredible selling. Sami Zayn looked like he was destroyed in the Last Man Standing match, for example, and a lot of that had to do with the fact that he had a real-life black eye from a previous Strowman match. Superstars really get hurt in the ring when they either botch, or sometimes they just do blade jobs or stiff shots to further blur the lines between kayfabe and reality.
Hence meeting Superstars in real life is always a mixed bag. People used to always talk about how CM Punk was an asshole in real life, how he felt that time outside the ring was "me time" to him and he wasn't the 'character' when he was off the clock. John Cena is the exact opposite, guys like him and Hulk Hogan (and I guess Darren Young) were Mr. No-Days-Off. That's why kayfabe still exists, because Superstars realize that without fans 'playing along' there is no movie. No special effects. The fans themselves ARE the special effects when they chant 'This is Awesome' or 'N-X-T' or 'What!?' at live events. Or go ballistic when they see Tyler Breeze walk into an airport on the way to a show.
I disagree that they have to remain 'in character' on talk shows or doing promotional events-- but technically they are 'on the clock' so I guess it's a valid point that kayfabe should remain in effect for that. Just seems counterintuitive to have kayfabe broken so thoroughly on Total Divas/Bellas, but admittedly they do treat the WWE storylines as if the Women's Superstars are legit wrestling in the ring and that the matches are not predetermined.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 4, 2017 14:55:49 GMT -5
Total Divas and Total Bellas are harmful to the regular product. Even aside from dropping kayfabe, the need to manufacture drama on those shows leads to the people involved coming across like bitches and assholes.
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Jan 4, 2017 15:02:43 GMT -5
Stand up comedian Tony Hinchcliffe is a lifelong wrestling fan and was actually offered a job on creative after somehow pitching a storyline idea to WWE. He turned down the job in the end due to his other commitments but talked about his storyline pitch on some podcasts, cant remember it exactly but Im pretty sure it involved Kane winning the title and him and Undertaker feuding AGAIN and again wrestling at WM. Anyone know what I'm talking about? It's telling that this was what was going to get him a job! Edit: Sorry Tony, if you're reading, I like you, just not that particular idea  |
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Post by wahoowah11 on Jan 4, 2017 15:36:34 GMT -5
How about in Foley's "Hardcore Diaries" where he was convinced that having Terry Funk "bite a chunk out of Vinces ass" during a kiss my ass segment was the greatest idea ever? That whole book is a joke. Its basically him complaining about the wwe and then how great of a person he is. It turned Foley in my mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 15:40:49 GMT -5
Jim Ross said multiple times a few years back on several different outlets that he thought Undertaker should go undefeated at WrestleMania, win the WWE Title in his last 'Mania match, then kill the lights during his victory pose, lights come on, the belt is lying face up in the ring and that's how The Undertaker exits WWE. ........am I Jim Ross? Because I'd thought that same exact thing (only with the urn next to the belt) for YEARS. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 4, 2017 15:43:44 GMT -5
Jim Ross' idea makes it seem as though Undertaker turns into a title belt.
It's like when Grandpa Simpson merged with the love tester machine.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 4, 2017 15:47:46 GMT -5
Jim Ross' idea makes it seem as though Undertaker turns into a title belt. It's like when Grandpa Simpson merged with the love tester machine. and from that day on everyone who wore the title suddenly started wearing a cowboy hat and purple gloves |
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Post by Spider2024 on Jan 4, 2017 15:52:48 GMT -5
I'd probably put this as the bad idea myself. It's stupid and pointless to insist on an adherence to kayfabe in a time period when the fanbase is more smarky than ever, especially given the go-to to insult wrestling and its fans is, "You know it's fake, right?" By all means stick to it during the show, which WWE is quite prone to not doing and that is itself quite a big problem, but it's pointless to stay in character on Twitter and shit or avoid having press events with guys who are feuding or whatever, because you're not going to see them promoting Avengers by having Tom Hiddleston attack Chris Hemsworth on the set of Ghostbusters to make their feud look more legit. You're making the industry look more backward and carny putting up the pretense when you should be trying to shed that image if you want to gain some respectability for it. Kayfabe in it's pioneer form is pretty much dead. Everyone knows wrestling is predetermined. But nowadays wrestlers don't have to pretend to be their 'character' outside of the ring anymore-- look at Total Divas and Total Bellas where we get the wrestlers real names. Even though Daniel Bryan is the GM of SDLive, 'Bryan Danielson' is the father-to-be married to Brianna Danielson. Pretty much the both of these. People are seriously not going to be drawn back to the WWE and pro wrestling in general if wrestlers did promos on Twitter and ambushed each other on Late Night with Seth Meyers. Hopefully Kane never appears during a segment of 'Ya Burnt!' |
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