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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jan 3, 2017 3:47:10 GMT -5
He's an instant fast-forward who just drags the show down. Boring, predictable, same old shit in his matches. I'm bored completely of Seth Rollins but at least he's capable of mixing things up in the ring and doing something different and cool.
Roman Reigns though is a complete bore. I sigh when his music hits.
Was there any point to having him and Goldberg wipe out Braun like he was nothing? Braun should have demolished the two of them and stood strong looking like the baddest motherf***er on the planet.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 3, 2017 3:49:17 GMT -5
All those "shoved down our throats" complaints that were untrue for Cena are completely true for Roman. They're much more glaring for Roman because he has nowhere near the crowd support Cena did or does despite the fact he gets boos and distaste. But there was a time Cena was really being shoved down peoples throats. I wanna say 2009/2011 was the worst Cena related time... especially the whole Nexus debacle. What I meant is that Cena was over enough to justify it. Reigns isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 3:53:17 GMT -5
I swear I don't see anything special in Roman. Like, no star quality, no charisma, not a good worker. Just blah.
At least Cena had 5 moves of doom. Roman just has 5 moves.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jan 3, 2017 4:01:12 GMT -5
I swear I don't see anything special in Roman. Like, no star quality, no charisma, not a good worker. Just blah. At least Cena had 5 moves of doom. Roman just has 5 moves. I feel the same way. He seriously lacks charisma, can't cut a promo to save his life, shows absolutely no emotion, can't act, wrestles the same standard match, has a really lacking moveset. He is entertaining when he goes crazy and wrecks shit up though but other than that I find him average. He should be in the Rusev role as a strong upper-midcarder. I see much more in Big Cass than I do Reigns. He can cut a damn fine promo, portrays his character well and has plenty of charisma although is very average in ring.
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Post by dreidemy on Jan 3, 2017 6:13:22 GMT -5
I swear I don't see anything special in Roman. Like, no star quality, no charisma, not a good worker. Just blah. At least Cena had 5 moves of doom. Roman just has 5 moves. This pretty much
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 3, 2017 6:19:12 GMT -5
I still f***s with Roman Reigns. Don't care if others hate him, he still my dude. Same for Seth and Ambrose, 2 other dudes that people turned on around these parts.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 3, 2017 6:23:21 GMT -5
I still f***s with Roman Reigns. Don't care if others hate him, he still my dude. Same for Seth and Ambrose, 2 other dudes that people turned on around these parts. Im fine with Seth but not in this unjustifiable Face Role that he's in where instead of turning face on his own merits he had to get screwed by HHH and in the end hasn't learned a damn thing
Dean's my boy though.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 3, 2017 6:28:35 GMT -5
I still f***s with Roman Reigns. Don't care if others hate him, he still my dude. Same for Seth and Ambrose, 2 other dudes that people turned on around these parts. Im fine with Seth but not in this unjustifiable Face Role that he's in where instead of turning face on his own merits he had to get screwed by HHH and in the end hasn't learned a damn thing
Dean's my boy though.
Still riding with Roman. No wrestler is without flaws and distractors. People were shocked that Zack Sabre Jr wasn't treated as a god even with the workrate and indy cred. People just now accepting Cena. All it took was John becoming a part timer and imitating 2008 ROH wrestlers. I know Reigns isn't perfect but I still a fan of his and nothing people say about him is going to change that.
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Post by Yacht Persona on Jan 3, 2017 6:34:54 GMT -5
I'm not done with Raw, but I am done with anything that involves Roman. I don't see the point in a top guy that constantly wins and makes his opponents look weak. WWE seems to think it's a great idea, and are once again relying on casual fans to get behind Roman and buy his merchandise. One of two things, or perhaps a combination of two things are going to happen. One, wrestling fans are going to be beaten into submission by Roman's booking. They'll continue making new monsters for Roman to defeat just to recycle it over again. The ones booing him will begrudgingly accept Roman, or become silent. Two, fans will just check out, leaving room for crowds of children, their parents, and drunk people that remain silent until Roman is out.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 3, 2017 6:36:04 GMT -5
Im fine with Seth but not in this unjustifiable Face Role that he's in where instead of turning face on his own merits he had to get screwed by HHH and in the end hasn't learned a damn thing
Dean's my boy though.
Still riding with Roman. No wrestler is without flaws and distractors. People were shocked that Zack Sabre Jr wasn't treated as a god even with the workrate and indy cred. People just now accepting Cena. All it took was John becoming a part timer and imitating 2008 ROH wrestlers. I know Reigns isn't perfect but I still a fan of his and nothing people say about him is going to change that. Again man more power to you, I still love New Day, I also love Corbin and Braun, wrestling is a very diverse group when it comes to opinions. Some people will like Roman but at least the majority of those people even accept their boy aint going far with this type of booking. Maybe it'll change, but I'm just feel like waiting for it to happen when it looks like WWE is too gunshy only leads to more sadness...
And Cena also is starting to lose, and put over people like Styles and Ambrose, that helps people out more and in others eyes gains respect for the worker and makes them look less like the next HHH. Orton was the same last week taking the pin for Gable. Roman has legitimately been pinned clean what Twice in the past year or so? Like with no interference, once in the Triple Threat where Dean hit him, and Balor with the Coup de Grace on a RAW, and it took Roman to get a Wellness Violation for that to even happen!
He's not a Monster like Corbin or Braun, when you're supposed to be billed as a guy we're supposed to like and just keep winning over and over and not putting anyone else over to make the stories overall compelling, it leads to a mess.
I know it took both he and Goldberg to do it, but Braun was legit one of the best things they had, but they even had to mess that shit up, not only with Goldberg helping Roman which hurt Goldberg in fans eyes itself, but bringing down Braun a literal hour after he basically murdered Sami Zayn like nothing. It's just terrible booking.
I've seen Roman as a heel in early NXT, and it's honestly not bad, it's WAY better than whatever the hell he's supposed to be now, which I can only describe as wannabe badass that can't let go of the Shield, so basically the X Pac of his group, and that shit probably ain't gonna work, and it really hasn't been but they refuse to change it, they just keep giving him accolades and it only keeps adding to the problem.
I want to believe things can get better for Roman, but to me, it's just gonna keep going downhill if we remain on this path...
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jan 3, 2017 6:37:41 GMT -5
Roman Reigns is the Carol Danvers of the WWE. ... you've made a powerful enemy today, friend.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 3, 2017 6:37:51 GMT -5
I'm not done with Raw, but I am done with anything that involves Roman. I don't see the point in a top guy that constantly wins and makes his opponents look weak. WWE seems to think it's a great idea, and are once again relying on casual fans to get behind Roman and buy his merchandise. One of two things, or perhaps a combination of two things are going to happen. One, wrestling fans are going to be beaten into submission by Roman's booking. They'll continue making new monsters for Roman to defeat just to recycle it over again. The ones booing him will begrudgingly accept Roman, or become silent. Two, fans will just check out, leaving room for crowds of children, their parents, and drunk people that remain silent until Roman is out. I think it's amazing to me that their immediate response to losing to Smackdown is "Ok let's have Roman retain his belt in another really bullshit way while also kicking out of the Finisher of one of the most over guys on the roster and a basic legend at this point" and then end it with "Goldberg and Roman take out maybe the most legitimate Monster we have in Braun, a guy who just murdered Sami Zayn and got up at Five after going through tables in a last man standing match, with basically the power of Friendship"
I hope they lose the ratings again this week.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 3, 2017 6:46:59 GMT -5
Still riding with Roman. No wrestler is without flaws and distractors. People were shocked that Zack Sabre Jr wasn't treated as a god even with the workrate and indy cred. People just now accepting Cena. All it took was John becoming a part timer and imitating 2008 ROH wrestlers. I know Reigns isn't perfect but I still a fan of his and nothing people say about him is going to change that. Again man more power to you, I still love New Day, I also love Corbin and Braun, wrestling is a very diverse group when it comes to opinions. Some people will like Roman but at least the majority of those people even accept their boy aint going far with this type of booking. Maybe it'll change, but I'm just feel like waiting for it to happen when it looks like WWE is too gunshy only leads to more sadness...
And Cena also is starting to lose, and put over people like Styles and Ambrose, that helps people out more and in others eyes gains respect for the worker and makes them look less like the next HHH. Orton was the same last week taking the pin for Gable. Roman has legitimately been pinned clean what Twice in the past year or so? Like with no interference, once in the Triple Threat where Dean hit him, and Balor with the Coup de Grace on a RAW, and it took Roman to get a Wellness Violation for that to even happen!
He's not a Monster like Corbin or Braun, when you're supposed to be billed as a guy we're supposed to like and just keep winning over and over and not putting anyone else over to make the stories overall compelling, it leads to a mess.
I know it took both he and Goldberg to do it, but Braun was legit one of the best things they had, but they even had to mess that shit up, not only with Goldberg helping Roman which hurt Goldberg in fans eyes itself, but bringing down Braun a literal hour after he basically murdered Sami Zayn like nothing. It's just terrible booking.
I've seen Roman as a heel in early NXT, and it's honestly not bad, it's WAY better than whatever the hell he's supposed to be now, which I can only describe as wannabe badass that can't let go of the Shield, so basically the X Pac of his group, and that shit probably ain't gonna work, and it really hasn't been but they refuse to change it, they just keep giving him accolades and it only keeps adding to the problem.
I want to believe things can get better for Roman, but to me, it's just gonna keep going downhill if we remain on this path...
Balor beat Roman because he is WWE management's new pet project and was getting a rocket ship push that would made Roman blush on how strong they pushed Finn. If he wasn't so injured by the time he got his call up, Roman wouldn't be in his current spot fighting Owens. Raw doesn't have that many people in the main event singles picture that works regularly. It's Owens, Rollins, Reigns, and Jericho. A group we seen fighting each other numerous times. When Balor returns, he goes back to his throne with his super push recommencing. Most of the flaws we point out with Roman exist in Finn. Only real difference is that we accept him getting pushed down our throats because our gag reflex for him can handle it. As for Roman turning heel and losing to be the cure-all for his woes, look at the Miz for example. After all the times he turned heel post WWE world title run, it took him becoming Gollum with the IC title and return of Maryse before people started to like him again not named Catch Us. There are no sudden fixes. Everything takes time. Time which people ain't got time for.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 3, 2017 6:53:43 GMT -5
Again man more power to you, I still love New Day, I also love Corbin and Braun, wrestling is a very diverse group when it comes to opinions. Some people will like Roman but at least the majority of those people even accept their boy aint going far with this type of booking. Maybe it'll change, but I'm just feel like waiting for it to happen when it looks like WWE is too gunshy only leads to more sadness...
And Cena also is starting to lose, and put over people like Styles and Ambrose, that helps people out more and in others eyes gains respect for the worker and makes them look less like the next HHH. Orton was the same last week taking the pin for Gable. Roman has legitimately been pinned clean what Twice in the past year or so? Like with no interference, once in the Triple Threat where Dean hit him, and Balor with the Coup de Grace on a RAW, and it took Roman to get a Wellness Violation for that to even happen!
He's not a Monster like Corbin or Braun, when you're supposed to be billed as a guy we're supposed to like and just keep winning over and over and not putting anyone else over to make the stories overall compelling, it leads to a mess.
I know it took both he and Goldberg to do it, but Braun was legit one of the best things they had, but they even had to mess that shit up, not only with Goldberg helping Roman which hurt Goldberg in fans eyes itself, but bringing down Braun a literal hour after he basically murdered Sami Zayn like nothing. It's just terrible booking.
I've seen Roman as a heel in early NXT, and it's honestly not bad, it's WAY better than whatever the hell he's supposed to be now, which I can only describe as wannabe badass that can't let go of the Shield, so basically the X Pac of his group, and that shit probably ain't gonna work, and it really hasn't been but they refuse to change it, they just keep giving him accolades and it only keeps adding to the problem.
I want to believe things can get better for Roman, but to me, it's just gonna keep going downhill if we remain on this path...
Balor beat Roman because he is WWE management's new pet project and was getting a rocket ship push that would made Roman blush on how strong they pushed Finn. If he wasn't so injured by the time he got his call up, Roman wouldn't be in his current spot fighting Owens. Raw doesn't have that many people in the main event singles picture that works regularly. It's Owens, Rollins, Reigns, and Jericho. A group we seen fighting each other numerous times. When Balor returns, he goes back to his throne with his super push recommencing. Most of the flaws we point out with Roman exist in Finn. Only real difference is that we accept him getting pushed down our throats because our gag reflex for him can handle it. As for Roman turning heel and losing to be the cure-all for his woes, look at the Miz for example. After all the times he turned heel post WWE world title run, it took him becoming Gollum with the IC title and return of Maryse before people started to like him again not named Catch Us. There are no sudden fixes. Everything takes time. Time which people ain't got time for. I mean they've had MONTHS to build up more credible Main Event threats for the belt instead of Roman who is supposed to be the Midcard Champion but WWE doesn't bother. I get the rosters are thinner but it's less about patience and more about WWE seemingly not giving much of a shit to try and have anyone step up either, hence we get these stale matchups that don't help anyone... at least with Smackdown, we have AJ, Dean, Miz, Corbin, and yes even if I don't really like him that much Ziggler, all as credible threats as a Top Guy and all interchangeable for fresher matchups, and that's with Wyatt and Orton detouring to the Tag Realm and maybe Harper getting an eventual Singles Run too. It isn't hard to built up credible looking threats but again, that's been one of RAW's problems too.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 3, 2017 7:07:44 GMT -5
Balor beat Roman because he is WWE management's new pet project and was getting a rocket ship push that would made Roman blush on how strong they pushed Finn. If he wasn't so injured by the time he got his call up, Roman wouldn't be in his current spot fighting Owens. Raw doesn't have that many people in the main event singles picture that works regularly. It's Owens, Rollins, Reigns, and Jericho. A group we seen fighting each other numerous times. When Balor returns, he goes back to his throne with his super push recommencing. Most of the flaws we point out with Roman exist in Finn. Only real difference is that we accept him getting pushed down our throats because our gag reflex for him can handle it. As for Roman turning heel and losing to be the cure-all for his woes, look at the Miz for example. After all the times he turned heel post WWE world title run, it took him becoming Gollum with the IC title and return of Maryse before people started to like him again not named Catch Us. There are no sudden fixes. Everything takes time. Time which people ain't got time for. I mean they've had MONTHS to build up more credible Main Event threats for the belt instead of Roman who is supposed to be the Midcard Champion but WWE doesn't bother. I get the rosters are thinner but it's less about patience and more about WWE seemingly not giving much of a shit to try and have anyone step up either, hence we get these stale matchups that don't help anyone... at least with Smackdown, we have AJ, Dean, Miz, Corbin, and yes even if I don't really like him that much Ziggler, all as credible threats as a Top Guy and all interchangeable for fresher matchups, and that's with Wyatt and Orton detouring to the Tag Realm and maybe Harper getting an eventual Singles Run too. It isn't hard to built up credible looking threats but again, that's been one of RAW's problems too. Braun has stepped up. And WWE is going about his build the right way. He just graduated to the main event picture. Zayn's feud with Strowman did more for Sami than his feud with Owens. Why? Because he actually was an underdog and got the crowd fully behind him without having to use old indy feuds & workrate. As mentioned, Balor's injury throw a lot of plans in the shredder. He was suppose to feud with Rollins for a while. Owens gets build up for his eventual main event run. Roman stays in the upper midcard fighting people over the US title while being the backup quarterback. Jericho is Jericho so he would do his own thing. Smackdown got their problems with it, too. Ziggler been called a loser so much that even when he wins, people still call him one. Corbin just got inserted into the main event picture and that may not be a long term thing. Dean's feud with AJ was disappointing mainly because they shoved Ellsworth into the mix while downplaying the actual main eventers. Both Raw and Smackdown suffer main event depth issues months after the Draft. People we thought would be in the main event are working the midcard trying to keep that afloat.
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Post by DragonMasterP on Jan 3, 2017 7:15:25 GMT -5
I really wish WWE would just get it over with and have Reigns win the Universal title and hold for it for a long time. The fans'd probably hate it for sure, but just making it happen and not stalling on it anymore might make things a little better.
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Post by Dang! on Jan 3, 2017 8:25:54 GMT -5
Yes, I want him gone or depushed to Titus O'Neil level. Oldberg should f*** off as well.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 3, 2017 8:59:56 GMT -5
The WWE are going to keep at it, because they genuinely seem to believe that they can 100% manufacture a star against the will of the audience. They've taken the fans not booing as hard as a sign they shouldstay the course, that if they just let him keep on winning his popularity will explode and he'll be the next Cena, rather than the next Alberto, Orton or Sheamus.
In their minds, Cena was created against the will of the audience too, when the truth is people were behind him during his rise to the main event scene and were happy to see him with the world title on Raw, then the Marine happened and they gutted his character to try and shill that straight to DVD mess. They sanded down any edge he had then substituted winning for character, and with Roman they've skipped straight to winning a lot, as that worked so well when they tried it with Diesel.
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Post by Rican on Jan 3, 2017 9:21:52 GMT -5
I really wish WWE would just get it over with and have Reigns win the Universal title and hold for it for a long time. The fans'd probably hate it for sure, but just making it happen and not stalling on it anymore might make things a little better. I agree, they might as well get it over with. Maybe then they'll get the message it's not working. ....eh, who am I kidding.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jan 3, 2017 9:51:04 GMT -5
That's the frustrating part. WWE won't just push the guy already and let him bomb with the belt a la 1995 Diesel. It's this constant hedging of bets, where he gets the title but then HHH screws him a month later. Beats HHH, but then fails a drug test and jobs to Rollins. The top guy on Raw in theory is Owens with the Universal title, but he regularly takes a back seat to the U.S. champion.
The weird thing is that after WM in 2015 WWE scaled back on Reigns's push and he got semi over with the Wyatt feud. He was even over initially when Vince was messing with him. I think that's what Reigns needs, a total scumbag heel opposing him. HHH just wasn't that guy. HHH always has to look good or at least fairly noble in defeat, so we got that dreary WM match. A lack of truly loathsome heels hurts WWE a lot. Does anyone really hate Owens or Jericho right now? They're too silly and kind of likable. The irony is that HHH was involved in a storyline where he and HBK were the lowest heel scum in the history of wrestling, namely that initial DX stuff in late 1997/early 1998.
Look at the Rusev/Reigns feud. Rusev was a guy defending his wife's honor from a guy insisting she is a ho and disrupting their wedding celebration. Before HIAC he even cut a heated promo vowing revenge on Reigns for all the stuff he had done to Lana. Rusev came off like the total face in the feud. It cracked me up listening to a recent Bryan Alvarez rant about Raw where he noted that WWE's strongest babyfaces are guys that are meant to be heels. Strowman has been destroying scrubs and getting pops for it, kind of bad boy antihero cheers. Rusev was noted. Jericho and Owens are so goofy and entertaining that you can't really hate them.
Raw is a poorly put together roster of talent. It just is. There is no midcard to speak of at the moment. Tag ranks are scorched earth after New Day's incessant reign, though we'll see what Sheamus and Cesaro can do. The main event scene has guys who are all quite literally being booked in the wrong roles.
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