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Post by FAR5222 on Mar 20, 2017 22:57:45 GMT -5
Time to bump the All Purpose Roman Reigns Sucks Thread so I don't make another one Dude was universally booed and when he took out Taker it was just straight uncaring silence. No one is buying into this, and if the grand plan is for Roman to be the conquering hero against Lesnar for the Universal Title, someone needs to run a test on Vince to see if he's mentally competent. Daniel Bryan''s W-L record in the many months leading up to his WM30 crowning moment was incredible onesided with him winning all the time (while being booked as an underdog, overcoming odds including what was sold as extreme injuries including on the night of WM) and there wasn't a peep about "Superman booking." It all comes down to who's being booked that way, IMO. Bryan's W-L record was bad during this time. WWE always booked him in way where the win was taken away or it was shady. And then the PPVs in 2014 before Mania such as Rumble, Elimination Chamber lost. His booking was far from Superman. The most vulnerable Roman has truly looked was when he got wellnessed and the two months after he returned from it. Dude lost a lot of high profile matches. And then the WWE train went back on board during Summerslam.
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Post by saintpat on Mar 20, 2017 23:07:35 GMT -5
I didn't take it as "uncaring silence." I took it more as "OK (or maybe wow), he just laid out Taker clean and cold." It could be a mix of both, but I was at a live Raw where Dean Ambrose pinned Cena clean and it wasn't "OMG, CHEER, YEA!!!" It was silence. And I didn't take it as being uncaring. No way to prove it either way, so no point in debating it. What it wasn't, clearly, was "BOOOOO!!! I HATE YOU!!!!" And Roman seemed to me to get more cheers than boos by far tonight (which is actually more often the case, at least that's what I hear). Daniel Bryan''s W-L record in the many months leading up to his WM30 crowning moment was incredible onesided with him winning all the time (while being booked as an underdog, overcoming odds including what was sold as extreme injuries including on the night of WM) and there wasn't a peep about "Superman booking." It all comes down to who's being booked that way, IMO. And for the record, I find you a litlte snarky at times with people who disagree with you, but not unrespectful. I don't have a problem with your posts and find some of them quite insightful even when I disagree. Bryan's W-L record was bad during this time. WWE always booked him in way where the win was taken away or it was shady. And then the PPVs in 2014 before Mania such as Rumble, Elimination Chamber lost. His booking was far from Superman. The most vulnerable Roman has truly looked was when he got wellnessed and the two months after he returned from it. Dude lost a lot of high profile matches. And then the WWE train went back on board during Summerslam. From February 2014 until he won WM more than a year later, his record according to the IWDB was something like 76-7 if you count the Royal Rumble and Elimination Chamber as losses, and he was screwed out of half the other losses by The Authority. We're in March, and Roman has 10 losses this year.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 20, 2017 23:10:12 GMT -5
Bryan's W-L record was bad during this time. WWE always booked him in way where the win was taken away or it was shady. And then the PPVs in 2014 before Mania such as Rumble, Elimination Chamber lost. His booking was far from Superman. The most vulnerable Roman has truly looked was when he got wellnessed and the two months after he returned from it. Dude lost a lot of high profile matches. And then the WWE train went back on board during Summerslam. From February 2014 until he won WM more than a year later, his record according to the IWDB was something like 76-7 if you count the Royal Rumble and Elimination Chamber as losses, and he was screwed out of half the other losses by The Authority. We're in March, and Roman has 10 losses this year. Yeah, but you also need to factor in clean losses, and he has like one loss where there was no interference or f***ery, and that's when he lost to Balor. He lost to Ambrose clean as well but it was after Roman hit a Spear on Rollins and was kinda blindsided, but it could count. Since then he has not lost a matchup without some kind of interference, which in turn, protects Roman and makes everyone else kinda look like shit further.
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Post by saintpat on Mar 20, 2017 23:18:41 GMT -5
From February 2014 until he won WM more than a year later, his record according to the IWDB was something like 76-7 if you count the Royal Rumble and Elimination Chamber as losses, and he was screwed out of half the other losses by The Authority. We're in March, and Roman has 10 losses this year. Yeah, but you also need to factor in clean losses, and he has like one loss where there was no interference or f***ery, and that's when he lost to Balor. He lost to Ambrose clean as well but it was after Roman hit a Spear on Rollins and was kinda blindsided, but it could count. Since then he has not lost a matchup without some kind of interference, which in turn, protects Roman and makes everyone else kinda look like shit further. Yeah, but to me Roman isn't really booked as an underdog (he's the Big Dog, which implies he's a force and should be winning). Bryan was booked as if nearly every win was a miracle and didn't even lose with interference (except for like 3 or 4 times) in more than a year despite having the combined weight of the Authority thrown at him. And no one complains about his booking -- which makes everyone else look equally as bad (read how people react when Roman or Cena 'buries' someone and explain how that works when a crippled Bryan beats Triple H, Orton and Batista on one night. Did they look good coming out of that? And HHH and Batista weren't part-timers coming out of that, they worked regularly as the reunited Evolution for the next few months. But no one made a big deal about Bryan making those three and lots of others "look bad." Because everyone liked Bryan. So IMO, it's not about booking, it's about WHO is booked that way. If one person is booked strongly, then others are going to lose to that person. That's how it has to go. And when it doesn't go that way, we get complaints about 50-50 booking.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Mar 20, 2017 23:19:41 GMT -5
From February 2014 until he won WM more than a year later, his record according to the IWDB was something like 76-7 if you count the Royal Rumble and Elimination Chamber as losses, and he was screwed out of half the other losses by The Authority. We're in March, and Roman has 10 losses this year. Yeah, but you also need to factor in clean losses, and he has like one loss where there was no interference or f***ery, and that's when he lost to Balor. He lost to Ambrose clean as well but it was after Roman hit a Spear on Rollins and was kinda blindsided, but it could count. Since then he has not lost a matchup without some kind of interference, which in turn, protects Roman and makes everyone else kinda look like shit further. He also hadn't truly won clean all of this year and possibly for a short time towards the end of last until Fastlane, and I still have reservations about counting that. Which would make his hindering of the Jinder his sole clean win this year if Fastlane isn't counted.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 20, 2017 23:39:58 GMT -5
Yeah, but you also need to factor in clean losses, and he has like one loss where there was no interference or f***ery, and that's when he lost to Balor. He lost to Ambrose clean as well but it was after Roman hit a Spear on Rollins and was kinda blindsided, but it could count. Since then he has not lost a matchup without some kind of interference, which in turn, protects Roman and makes everyone else kinda look like shit further. He also hadn't truly won clean all of this year and possibly for a short time towards the end of last until Fastlane, and I still have reservations about counting that. Which would make his hindering of the Jinder his sole clean win this year if Fastlane isn't counted. But we're also factoring in the fact he kicks out of everyones finishers, and aside from the Coup de Grace, has done so at least once, and everyone just eats the Spear once and dies, so he has maybe the most protected finish in WWE outside of the Goldberg Jackhammer and the Coup de Grace at this point... which is another "LOOK STRONG" moment.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Mar 20, 2017 23:42:59 GMT -5
He also hadn't truly won clean all of this year and possibly for a short time towards the end of last until Fastlane, and I still have reservations about counting that. Which would make his hindering of the Jinder his sole clean win this year if Fastlane isn't counted. But we're also factoring in the fact he kicks out of everyones finishers, and aside from the Coup de Grace, has done so at least once, and everyone just eats the Spear once and dies, so he has maybe the most protected finish in WWE outside of the Goldberg Jackhammer and the Coup de Grace at this point... which is another "LOOK STRONG" moment. Hey, how dare you forget No Chin Music! And whatever the hell Nia does, I don't know.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 21, 2017 0:37:41 GMT -5
But we're also factoring in the fact he kicks out of everyones finishers, and aside from the Coup de Grace, has done so at least once, and everyone just eats the Spear once and dies, so he has maybe the most protected finish in WWE outside of the Goldberg Jackhammer and the Coup de Grace at this point... which is another "LOOK STRONG" moment. Hey, how dare you forget No Chin Music! And whatever the hell Nia does, I don't know. Styles kicked out of No Chin Music. Nia has like three different finishers so it's hard to exactly peg her down.
I guess Bray Wyatt's Sister Abigail has been heavily elevated after putting Cena down twice and Styles, but I expect Orton to kick out of at least one at Mania.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Mar 21, 2017 0:40:21 GMT -5
Hey, how dare you forget No Chin Music! And whatever the hell Nia does, I don't know. Styles kicked out of No Chin Music. Nia has like three different finishers so it's hard to exactly peg her down.
I guess Bray Wyatt's Sister Abigail has been heavily elevated after putting Cena down twice and Styles, but I expect Orton to kick out of at least one at Mania.
Nia has three finishers? Which looks least worst?
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Mar 21, 2017 1:00:46 GMT -5
Yeah, but you also need to factor in clean losses, and he has like one loss where there was no interference or f***ery, and that's when he lost to Balor. He lost to Ambrose clean as well but it was after Roman hit a Spear on Rollins and was kinda blindsided, but it could count. Since then he has not lost a matchup without some kind of interference, which in turn, protects Roman and makes everyone else kinda look like shit further. Yeah, but to me Roman isn't really booked as an underdog (he's the Big Dog, which implies he's a force and should be winning). Bryan was booked as if nearly every win was a miracle and didn't even lose with interference (except for like 3 or 4 times) in more than a year despite having the combined weight of the Authority thrown at him. And no one complains about his booking -- which makes everyone else look equally as bad (read how people react when Roman or Cena 'buries' someone and explain how that works when a crippled Bryan beats Triple H, Orton and Batista on one night. Did they look good coming out of that? And HHH and Batista weren't part-timers coming out of that, they worked regularly as the reunited Evolution for the next few months. But no one made a big deal about Bryan making those three and lots of others "look bad." Because everyone liked Bryan. So IMO, it's not about booking, it's about WHO is booked that way.If one person is booked strongly, then others are going to lose to that person. That's how it has to go. And when it doesn't go that way, we get complaints about 50-50 booking. Exactly. We're talking about WHO is getting the booking that doesn't work and isn't organic. Plus, going over talent better than him. Eating 3-5 of their finishers (for people like AJ who have multiple). Beating people with ONE of his after spamming his other move two dozen times. It reeks of early Cena mega-push when he was going over Angle and Jericho to boos. Exact same booking. And in that instance it was WHO was getting the god push they didn't earn with the fans. You take Roman's push, and put Cesaro in that exact spot, and we probably wouldn't have this thread. And Cesaro vs. Undertaker sounds badass honestly if he was booked like a beast like Roman. Hell we take to Braun b/c he's more believable in that role of a monster than Reigns is. People can't pinpoint his "oh he lost matches after his wellness violation" because in the end none of it is going to matter. He was never made to really look weak, was still protected, after being handed every accolade and title win for years. Roman is Cena. The Roster is The Nexus. Vince has his head in the sand.
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Post by Yacht Persona on Mar 21, 2017 1:24:37 GMT -5
The writing's already there for the Strowman mega-push to be over, and all it took was losing clean to Roman once. Now Strowman is an afterthought in the Roman/Taker build. Yeah, the battle royal may help him, but they've already established his ceiling. He can dominate anyone not named Roman. We'll see if that holds up over the following months or if the writers have anything left for him save for a brand change.
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Mar 21, 2017 12:40:37 GMT -5
And I still sit here as the only Roman fan I'm a Reigns fan.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 21, 2017 12:43:27 GMT -5
And I still sit here as the only Roman fan I'm a Reigns fan. Our merry little group is up to like 5
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Mar 21, 2017 12:45:03 GMT -5
Our merry little group is up to like 5 5 down, billions to go haha
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 21, 2017 12:48:05 GMT -5
Our merry little group is up to like 5 5 down, billions to go haha F***, oh well one follower at a time
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Mar 21, 2017 13:31:39 GMT -5
5 down, billions to go haha F***, oh well one follower at a time That's the spirit!
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 21, 2017 13:54:43 GMT -5
It'll be glorious the night after WM if he beats Taker and they do the "I respect you, new big dog" bullshit.
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 21, 2017 13:58:24 GMT -5
It'll be glorious the night after WM if he beats Taker and they do the "I respect you, new big dog" bullshit. Oh my God, I need to see this just for the reaction.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 21, 2017 15:17:38 GMT -5
Styles kicked out of No Chin Music. Nia has like three different finishers so it's hard to exactly peg her down.
I guess Bray Wyatt's Sister Abigail has been heavily elevated after putting Cena down twice and Styles, but I expect Orton to kick out of at least one at Mania.
Nia has three finishers? Which looks least worst? Uuuuuh... The Samoan Drop, The Legdrop, and that really weird Worlds Strongest Slam Transition she does... between those three maybe The Samoan Drop? But its hard for me to buy that as a finish I guess, especially when she has two others. They need to peg her with something and stick with it...
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Post by King Boo on Mar 21, 2017 15:26:09 GMT -5
Here's the conflict I have, personally.
I know that ultimately we speak with our wallets and that it really is the best/only way to get a point across. However, the problem lies in the people I do want to watch. I don't want to stop watching AJ Styles, Finn Balor, Samoa Joe, Alexa Bliss, Sasha Banks, etc. That's the part I enjoy; the part I want to support.
At a live event just the other day, I can tell you that, yes, there are people who cheer for Roman. A lot of them are kids & their parents - just as valid an opinion as ours, just not the segment who is discussing things here, or the fans who are shelling out the big bucks for things like the network, tickets to WrestleMania and the like.
The merch is a moot point - kids were actually a mixed bag as far as that went. I saw some Reigns, but I also saw a good amount of Cena and New Day, and a lot of Balor. But there were just as many adults in merch and barely any of them were in Reigns gear. That was mostly Enzo & Cass and, again, Finn Balor/Bullet Club. Women and girls were all about the Sasha Banks accessories.
There wasn't a ton of signs but the ones I saw were Jericho, Sami Zayn, Finn Balor, Sasha and Bayley.
So, while I can clearly see that a decent sized portion of the younger set likes Reigns, they have others they like too; some it seemed they liked more. And if the crowd responses of the night are anything to go by, Finn Balor - whose reaction was universally positive and very loud - was the guy, not Reigns.
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