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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Apr 4, 2017 2:21:02 GMT -5
They made a point on numerous occasions to say this specific audience was non-traditional to explain why they didn't follow the WWE narrative. It has nothing to do with past weeks, they specifically said that about tonight to explain away everything. Beachball-mania, non-traditional. Singing for Cesaro and Sheamus, non-traditional. Telling Roman in clear as day chants to f*** off, non-traditional. Tell Vince when he is introducing Kurt Angle that they hate Roman, non-traditional. They were very specific on singling out those actions as not representative of a traditional WWE audience. Still don't think the commentary should be taken seriously here. Every indicator from Reigns is that the turn is finally happening. Maybe slower than a lot of people would like, but it's happening. Exactly. he came down to the ring. absorbed all that punishement for a long time, then simply said, "THIS IS MY YARD NOW!" and left. he pretty much said f*** you to the fans, and disrespected the hell out of the Undertaker. that's a heel. they're finally acknowledging it. it's a step forward.
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Post by BME on Apr 4, 2017 2:22:58 GMT -5
The Roman Reigns hate is similar to the Invader 1 hate. Only real difference is that Roman never killed anyone.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 4, 2017 2:25:47 GMT -5
& this is still more tame than I expected it to be I am genuinely stunned shit hasn't been thrown at Roman yet, either at Mania in ring, on ramp, or at RAW. WCW Style. I mean I don't want that to clarify, just shocked it hasn't happened. Yea I expected it to get ugly out there with people throwing shit which would of been very immature. All things considered outside of a few snide and nasty remarks things went "well". I make no bones about being a Roman fan, the dude has money written all over him and if they turned him heel that one person to defeat him would be made (prob Finn again). WWE should be having people getting over on the back of Roman at this point because it is going to get to a point if not already where you are not doing him or his opponent any favors As I said before the Roman getting beat up for 20 mins with hope spots should be dead and the Roman who controls the action giving the other person hope spots should be the formula. You can not say its my yard and get "dominated" in matches the way he was before
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 4, 2017 2:29:28 GMT -5
Still don't think the commentary should be taken seriously here. Every indicator from Reigns is that the turn is finally happening. Maybe slower than a lot of people would like, but it's happening. Exactly. he came down to the ring. absorbed all that punishement for a long time, then simply said, "THIS IS MY YARD NOW!" and left. he pretty much said f*** you to the fans, and disrespected the hell out of the Undertaker. that's a heel. they're finally acknowledging it. it's a step forward. They even talked about the boos when he came out without the weird fan rhetoric they usually throw in. It is probably an extremely low burn but he did not come out and do the same schtick he did last year after Mania. He has an air of indifference more so total disdain like you see Neville does as a heel.
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Post by kingbookermark on Apr 4, 2017 2:37:17 GMT -5
I am promising all of that he is not turning heel. Just you all watch. We are getting Braun v. Roman with Roman still being the superhero big dawg crap.
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Post by MAD TITAN on Apr 4, 2017 3:05:00 GMT -5
All the crowd missed chanting was "change the channel!" and " boring".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 7:36:47 GMT -5
I am promising all of that he is not turning heel. Just you all watch. We are getting Braun v. Roman with Roman still being the superhero big dawg crap. So you'll still be watching?
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Post by lookout on Apr 4, 2017 7:40:30 GMT -5
This is getting as bad as I've ever seen it. In the space of 24 hours I've seen the guy be labelled "a cancer to WWE", "worse than polio" and a "holocaust denier"... All because he wins a lot of wrestling matches and others don't. (I emphasise that because, let's be honest, there are guys on that roster with characters just as ill-fitting and bad that don't even get one millionth of the bile and venom because they're only midcarders or tag guys or cruiserweights) It's not just roman or even his character that people are revolting against though. It's the fact that despite YEARS of most of the audiance booing him and making it clear they do not like how they push him, they keep ignoring everyone and essentially telling the audience they claim to love so much to go screw themselves. Well last night, the audience correctly responded back in kind....not just to roman but to the wwe. & this is still more tame than I expected it to be I am genuinely stunned shit hasn't been thrown at Roman yet, either at Mania in ring, on ramp, or at RAW. WCW Style. I mean I don't want that to clarify, just shocked it hasn't happened. me too...i actually expected some last night...but i'm sure most people didn't want to be thrown out of the arena right off the bat. Of all the chants i heard, the most brutal were the "go away" chants. That chant made me go wow more than the cursing. Now mcmahon, jbl, hhh, and the wwe can claim any noise is good noise, but people literally chanting to go away is NOT what you want your audience to be saying under any circumstances. Period. Short of people turning their back on him like i suggested, If that doesn't wake them the hell up about the situation then they need a psyche evaluation.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 4, 2017 7:40:56 GMT -5
I am promising all of that he is not turning heel. Just you all watch. We are getting Braun v. Roman with Roman still being the superhero big dawg crap. That wouldn't really preclude him being a heel, though. Braun doesn't really get along with anyone, heel or face, given they had him confronting Brock and all.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 4, 2017 7:42:34 GMT -5
& this is still more tame than I expected it to be I am genuinely stunned shit hasn't been thrown at Roman yet, either at Mania in ring, on ramp, or at RAW. WCW Style. I mean I don't want that to clarify, just shocked it hasn't happened. Someone threw a briefcase at him once, I think it was, but that was a while back, he was facing Bray at a house show. Given I am pretty sure the guy got arrested, might explain some why there has not been a repeat attempt at that.
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Post by Juice on Apr 4, 2017 7:50:13 GMT -5
I hate reigns but those chants last night completely played into his favor. Any noise is good noise and the fact they were so loud so long he really did have them in the palm of his hand.
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Post by lucas_lee on Apr 4, 2017 7:55:20 GMT -5
I think booing Roman is fine. Comparing him to a Holocaust denier and Polio is crossing the line. The first 15 minutes of Raw was tremendous, Im surprised WWE didn't censor the f-words (they'd be justified in doing so)
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 4, 2017 7:58:06 GMT -5
"And you know, and I know, Roman Reigns is a good guy. Genuinely a good guy." -Jerry Lawler on Raw Talk last night, indicating pretty hard in my mind that he has not turned heel and probably will not turn heel a long time to come. They will stay the course with this if it ends with them having a million viewers left.
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Post by Tenshigure on Apr 4, 2017 8:04:08 GMT -5
]They even talked about the boos when he came out without the weird fan rhetoric they usually throw in. It is probably an extremely low burn but he did not come out and do the same schtick he did last year after Mania. He has an air of indifference more so total disdain like you see Neville does as a heel. Except you're forgetting that they always call the "Raw After Mania" Bizzaro World, where people who are normally cheered are booed, and people who are normally booed are cheered. They EMPHASIZED that for a reason; that reason is they think it's just these "non-traditional" fans that don't want Reigns. If they were SMART they'd let him turn; but I honestly can't remember off the top of my head they let somebody naturally turn heel.
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Post by Dang! on Apr 4, 2017 9:45:47 GMT -5
All the crowd missed chanting was "change the channel!" and " boring". They should have chanted "TNA!" to express their ultimate disgust with the booking.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 10:05:07 GMT -5
Non-traditional can is such a soft term isn't it? Getting upset at that is like a father telling someone his son is "a bit of a prankster" and the son responding "oh my God why do you have me so much?" It's such an elder person who doesn't understand kids thing to say and how many fans throw beach balls around during matches? Post-mania crowds are so obviously different from most that they would be silly to pretend it's business as usual. Never said it has to be business as usual but to act like what they are doing (outside of the beachball stuff) doesn't happen all year long paints a picture of what they think their fans should be doing. I find that sad. It'd be like saying a Photoshop/paint thread is out of the ordinary and strange to try and put an end to them. What's WWE's offense here, is what I'm not understanding. If I was in a crowd, and I was chanting against all the faces, and then I get home to learn that Michael Cole has been calling me a non-traditional fan all night it wouldn't bother me a single bit. There's a difference between WWE intervening with what we do with our free time and WWE trying to control what fans do when they're guests in their own house. Vince came out and praised the fans, there was a special aired about how unique they are, it seems like WWE have a certain appreciation for their effort, but at the same time it seems like they're also interested in protecting their wrestlers and stories. They gave them 10 minutes to let Roman Reigns hear everything they wanna tell him, there was really nothing about yesterday's show that felt contentious and I think the fans behaved themselves a lot more than the WWE prepared themselves for, but it just seemed like a precautionary measure to tell us that when the fans start bopping beach balls around and chanting "we are awesome" and not looking at the ring when matches are happening, that's because post-Raw crowds are goofy. I get peoples' frustrations with WWE's crowd control, the muffling of audiences, the strange rationalizations for why fans are chanting a certain thing, all that stuff is definitely unnecessary but I think we can at least understand why they do it and I don't think it's ever as malicious as people paint these actions here. I'm sure they get disappointed and frustrated with fans, especially when it comes to Roman Reigns, but I don't think they're actively plotting to upset anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 10:17:47 GMT -5
I might be wrong here but for a long time a lot of people were saying Roman needed to go back to silent badass and/or he needed to go heel. Now he could definitely have shown a lot more fire but standing out there for fifteen minutes or however long (I only saw a clip) while people boo him and then responding with "It's my yard now" seems a step in the right direction. The line could have been better and it could have been delivered better but he wasn't smiling, joking or doing anything else that could be construed as faceish in anyone's eyes. Did he turn heel here? Not really but it's a step in the right direction. Talk less, act more and you're on your way. That may be true, but they've done this so many times, and then they go back to joking, conquering good guy Roman. I dont trust them at all after dick teasing so many times.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 10:24:02 GMT -5
I am promising all of that he is not turning heel. Just you all watch. We are getting Braun v. Roman with Roman still being the superhero big dawg crap. Exactly. I do not trust Vince to make the right call whatsoever at this point.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 4, 2017 11:03:29 GMT -5
The Roman Reigns hate is similar to the Invader 1 hate. Only real difference is that Roman never killed anyone. That we know of.
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 4, 2017 11:13:02 GMT -5
Last night really reminded me of the Richard Burton movie Prince of Players where he played 1860s stage actor Edwin Booth. The last part of the movie was the aftermath of him finding out his brother, John Wilkes Booth, had just assassinated Lincoln. So he goes out on stage and sits in a chair as the entire audience just boos the hell out of him, throws vegetables, whatever. But finally the audience started to respect him for taking the abuse and realized he had nothing to do with the assassination, then they warmed up to him. The End.
Last night though? That would have been like if it had been John Wilkes Booth himself instead!
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