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Post by -Lithium- on Jan 29, 2017 23:30:45 GMT -5
Vince is really a senile old man. Go the f*** away. You f***ing creative zilch. GO. AWAY. God damn. 170,000 people over the course of two WMs boo the guy out o the building, and that delusional fool keeps pushing him and pushing him. It's not going to happen. You failed. He will never, ever be universally cheered as a face again.
Before people try and deny that and point to Cena...Cena was actually exceptional in some areas and got organically over as top face. Reigns is mediocre in every department. People will never forget that the guy was chosen prior to any success or any showing of a high level of talent, unlike Cena. Being chosen can be fine as long as people don't realize that its happening. Once they realize and decide they don't like it, the window starts closing rapidly, and with Reigns it started closing by the fall of 2014 and was totally closed by the end of 2015.
You think Vince would keep pushing DB if he got a f***ing 10% of the boos Reigns gets? If he did abysmally bad promos on a weekly basis for weeks leading into WM 30? If he got a wellness violation? God. Get off the mans dick, Vince.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 23:30:54 GMT -5
You all wanted a Samoan at #30 named Joe... not sure who else you'd be looking for. Balor in an EDGE style surprise or pipe dream of Kurt Angle
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 23:31:05 GMT -5
He had a pretty good match at the beginning of the show where he got a decent reaction. And it's clear they were going for a more heelish vibe in that finish. Did you all seriously watch the ending and think it was supposed to have Reigns looking like a babyface? He looked like a total schmuck. They've been doing that with every Reigns match since he beat Triple H at WM last year and yet he's still a face. The same applies here.
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Jan 29, 2017 23:31:15 GMT -5
Roman Reigns turning heel will make me look forward to Wrestlemania again. It will mean that WWE finally recognizes that he's not working as a face.
I'm fine with Reigns/Undertaker if Reigns is a full fledged heel. The evil look he was giving Undertaker after eliminating him has my hopes up, but I've been watching WWE long enough to not have my hopes up for long.
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Post by edgestar on Jan 29, 2017 23:32:17 GMT -5
Did he miss his work shift?
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 29, 2017 23:37:56 GMT -5
God Damn it, pal; don't you see the kid's faces. They love him.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jan 29, 2017 23:38:01 GMT -5
As much as I loath to give WWE any credit (and I will pull some of that back later in my post) but I think everyone in here is right, WWE expected and booked accordingly for Reigns to get booed tonight.
That being said (and this is the part where I pull back quite a bit of credit) does anyone REALLY want to see Roman vs Taker at WrestleMania? Is that supposed to be a 'dream match'? And is Roman really going to turn heel or is just 'playing heel' for this match with Undertaker? Because if so that's lame as all hell.
Also, as someone pointed out in this thread, if Reigns is really going heel then wouldn't it have made a lot more sense for Taker to eliminate him and then Roman goes into a furious rage? And why the f*** was he even number 30 in the first place? That's poor and lazy writing. If he was in it, why wasn't AJ Styles in it?
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jan 29, 2017 23:47:45 GMT -5
Rich egocentric businessmen who are used to getting their way and controlling everything are stubborn to admit defeat beyond comprehension.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Jan 29, 2017 23:48:59 GMT -5
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Post by kingbookermark on Jan 29, 2017 23:50:20 GMT -5
They are turning him heel at Mania and you will all love it. Wait and see
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Post by Blindkarevik on Jan 29, 2017 23:59:21 GMT -5
The tease at Taker vs. Reigns was cool, I'll admit. But it could've been saved for another time.
I said in another thread that the only way this could have been justified is how they wanted a positive reaction when Orton won and they could only really do that with Roman. However, The Wyatt Family is over even as heels, and something about Randy Orton being in the group just works and has made them even more over and more of a legit threat than they've been in quite a while so if they plan was always for Orton to win, it would've gotten a positive reaction if he eliminated almost anybody and the way they were setting up Jericho, it still would've gotten a positive reaction.
Roman coming out just felt like they forgot to say "f*** you" to us this Rumble and called an audible.
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Post by Dragonfly on Jan 30, 2017 0:01:28 GMT -5
Okay, the way things are going, what would you all say if Wrestlemania gave us Undertaker vs Roman Reigns vs Goldberg vs Brock Lesnar vs Braun Strowman? Because seriously, it seems like they're all feuding with each other right now. I'd love it. The Undertaker was great in his prime (and even past it), but he doesn't have it anymore. I dug Brock a few years back, but the guy has totally worn out his welcome. I was never a fan of Goldberg, so I'm not entirely jazzed to see him now. Roman is completely tainted and unless something drastic happens, will always be tainted. As for Braun... Braun a classic case of "show vs. tell" with me. For months, Michael Cole has been telling me how this guy is basically an uncrowned main eventer. But outside of squashing a bunch of nobodies, causing James Elsworth to freak out and making Sami Zayn cry, what has he done? What decent - not even good, just decent - non-squash match has he put on since being called up? What's his finisher? What's his catchphrase? What's his gimmick? Baron Corbin has a few damn fine matches under his belt and always kills it on Talking Smack. Big Cass has fantastic mic skills and an undeniable connection with the crowd. Russev can cut a promo and has tons of charisma. Even Roman has The Shield. But Braun? Braun has nothing but hype. A five-way match does the following: - Frees up two spots on the card for someone else. - Gets Roman and Braun out of the title picture. - Gives Taker a match that doesn't feel forced (like, say, a title shot) or could potentially bog down the show (ala last year). - Even if it's in a five-way and fifteen years too late, Undertaker vs. Goldberg is still something people want to see. Their confrontation tonight proves that. - Braun and Roman will carry the feud, mainly because they're there every week and don't want the GPA of Slovakia per appearance. That means less "My name is Paul Heyman..." promos that tend to kill Raw dead these days. - Personally speaking, disappearing for one match is easier than disappearing for three. So yeah... Bring it on. It's easily their best option. EDIT: Does anyone REALLY want to see Roman vs Taker at WrestleMania? I do, mainly for the reasons mentioned above. The "five-way" idea is their best bet, I think. Taker/Roman is a solid backup plan.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 0:03:05 GMT -5
They are turning him heel at Mania and you will all love it. Wait and see Honestly I'm so done on Reigns right now that I don't even want him to turn heel, I just want him to go away.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jan 30, 2017 0:07:47 GMT -5
Does anyone REALLY want to see Roman vs Taker at WrestleMania? I do, mainly for the reasons mentioned above. The "five-way" idea is their best bet, I think. Taker/Roman is a solid backup plan. Of course there's people who want to see it, but it must be way down the list of 'dream matches' for The Undertaker. The fans would clearly much rather see Cena/Taker or Taker/Goldberg as two options.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 30, 2017 0:34:52 GMT -5
They are turning him heel at Mania and you will all love it. Wait and see Honestly I'm so done on Reigns right now that I don't even want him to turn heel, I just want him to go away. Seriously. Don't even fire him on TV, just release him quietly and let him go play with his kids. WWE has made him so toxic that he'd instantly ruin any other promotion he'd try to go to.
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Post by neilc on Jan 30, 2017 1:23:53 GMT -5
Roman is like 'fetch' in "Mean Girls." It's just not gonna happen.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 30, 2017 1:30:04 GMT -5
What do you mean? He worked two matches in one night!
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 30, 2017 1:33:06 GMT -5
Honestly, at this point he's way better than most everyone else getting big Mania matches. This just feels like leftover hate from 2015. He has continually good matches and isn't booked any crappier than the other top faces.
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Post by Error on Jan 30, 2017 1:34:08 GMT -5
Roman came out at 30 for the heat. He had heelface the entire time. It came down to Roman/Orton so the fans would go "anyone but Roman" to help the fans not shit on Orton. He worked exactly as he was supposed to. No, I don't like Roman either but his heel heat served it's correct purpose for once. Yeah, others have said it but if they thought they had to manipulate the crowd to not shit on Orton, they are even more tone deaf than we could even exaggerate. Orton has easily been one of the most cheered guys on SDL, even with the Wyatt stuff. Much like Roman is only a face because WWE says it, Orton is only a heel because WWE says it.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 30, 2017 1:57:52 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind the Roman push if they kept him as the silent badass enforcer. He worked extremely well that way and fans popped for him and his offense. The minute they had him talking, telling nursery rhyme jokes, and attempting to be a smartass it was immediately over. That aura was gone and there wasn't anyway of reclaiming it.
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