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Post by Chainsaw on Feb 2, 2017 4:42:07 GMT -5
At a certain point, I figure that Reigns will get that kind of heat that made people turn around on Batista. People were tired of him at a certain point in his run as "The Guy" and getting shot after shot at the championship, and he was getting kinda dickish with his critics even as a babyface. Of course, the differences were Batista actually has a ton of charisma, they were smart to turn him heel when they did (whereas with guys like Reigns and Cena, backstage seems like they're timid and incapable at turning them heel at the right time), and, of course, memes.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Feb 2, 2017 5:01:23 GMT -5
The never ending Roman Reigns push is proof that Vince McMahon does give a damn about what the fans want.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Feb 2, 2017 5:36:26 GMT -5
Just bring Reigns out for a straight up match then. Roman may be hated but he has good to great matches regularly. What put people to sleep is the 3rd hour of Raw in general. Like SNL, it's where you dump things to fill time before one last quality sketch and hope people will stick around or passed out in front of their tv.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Feb 2, 2017 6:34:59 GMT -5
Even John Cenas pushes have never felt this forced.
It's pretty obvious that once Vincent has eyed someone as his next guy, nothing will change his mind.
Last guy I remember being pushed this hard was Lashley, and the only reason that one seemed to stop is because he left.
But yeah, unless Romania hands in his notice I see no end, they may back off for a bit but they will keep trying.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Feb 2, 2017 9:49:15 GMT -5
The problem is he should have been the Rock to Seth's Mankind. Straight up rip off of the Corporate Champion Rock with Trips turning on Seth THEN to give Reigns the title. He just seems comfortable as a prick as seen from his NXT booking. The only problem would be that Seth is too much of a slimy bastard to pull off the charm needed to play Foley's part.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 2, 2017 14:06:56 GMT -5
I said right from the start that they made a mistake breaking up the SHIELD. They should have kept them together for another year, then turned Roman heel. He then would have been the corporate heel with limos, champagne, nice clothes, an expensive watch, some hos on each arm, and insulting the fans, especially the male ones. Ambrose should have then been repackaged as a Daniel Bryan-style everyman, and Rollins repackaged as CM Punk type voice of the voiceless character. Eventually Reigns gets sick and tired of HHH and Stephanie and turns on them, with Reigns obliterating HHH.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 2, 2017 15:05:13 GMT -5
Even John Cenas pushes have never felt this forced. It's pretty obvious that once Vincent has eyed someone as his next guy, nothing will change his mind. Last guy I remember being pushed this hard was Lashley, and the only reason that one seemed to stop is because he left. But yeah, unless Romania hands in his notice I see no end, they may back off for a bit but they will keep trying. And interestingly enough, if Lashley was to come back right this second, people would be straight up salivating over the idea of him murking Roman's smug-ass punk ass.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 2, 2017 15:10:06 GMT -5
At a certain point, I figure that Reigns will get that kind of heat that made people turn around on Batista. People were tired of him at a certain point in his run as "The Guy" and getting shot after shot at the championship, and he was getting kinda dickish with his critics even as a babyface. Of course, the differences were Batista actually has a ton of charisma, they were smart to turn him heel when they did (whereas with guys like Reigns and Cena, backstage seems like they're timid and incapable at turning them heel at the right time), and, of course, memes. At a certain point?? Dude has that now in spades. He had it in 2015 when he won the Rumble the first time and it's only grown. In 2017 him being at Number 30 got so much heat there are compilation videos of disappointed fans online...
Dude has so much heat he could warm a city, but it isn't going anywhere because they need to friggen TURN HIM. It's not even Cena's "Polarizing" level, it's just bad, and really forced when he's constantly destroying everyone. No one wins in this scenario.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 2, 2017 15:17:23 GMT -5
I said right from the start that they made a mistake breaking up the SHIELD. They should have kept them together for another year, then turned Roman heel. He then would have been the corporate heel with limos, champagne, nice clothes, an expensive watch, some hos on each arm, and insulting the fans, especially the male ones. Ambrose should have then been repackaged as a Daniel Bryan-style everyman, and Rollins repackaged as CM Punk type voice of the voiceless character. Eventually Reigns gets sick and tired of HHH and Stephanie and turns on them, with Reigns obliterating HHH. Instead, we have Roman being the X-Pac of the group, literally. Just without the talent Waltman has in ring. Don't get me wrong, Roman doesn't suck but X-Pac was always a damn workhorse to me, and an innovator in the states from a very young age.
He kept the Shield Colors and Mannerisms even after the Split. He kept the theme. And he had intense heat. He basically can't let the group go and form a new identity because he seems physically incapable of doing so. And it's not just a few months after the fact it's been what about FOUR YEARS NOW?
Roman is literally that member of the band who hangs on to the band instead of doing their own shit and less and less people care because he is not what made the band what they were, it was EVERYONE in it, he was a part of it, but not the whole reason it was a big thing. He just comes off as a try-hard who can't get over as himself and hangs on to the past, while Rollins and Dean have completely become their own guys.
It's definitely one of the worst things about him, and if he does go heel, he needs to completely overhaul himself. New Theme, Gear, even a new moveset if possible... dude needs complete re-invention...
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Post by cabbageboy on Feb 2, 2017 15:18:51 GMT -5
I actually might say that none of The Shield guys have what it takes to be a singles main eventer. I said a while ago it would be like splitting up The Freebirds to push all of them as singles guys. There's a reason why both units worked as a 3 man unit: They could cover each other's weaknesses. Reigns isn't a great promo and has a limited moveset but that can be masked in 6 man tags where he can make a hot tag and clean house, or just say a few words on the mic. I mean good grief, in The Shield Reigns was probably the worst worker of the 3 and also the weakest promo once Rollins got his bearings. And this is the guy WWE wants to build the entire company around?
Look at it this way. Seth Rollins is probably the best overall package of any of The Shield guys and he totally bombed as a world champion. A lot of it was booking and a character that was made to be an incompetent whiner. Dean Ambrose basically flopped as WWE champion and for whatever reason lost all momentum.
But this Reigns push? This is like if Diesel kept main eventing shows into 1996, 97, etc. Even with Nash back then they realized he wasn't working and turned him.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 2, 2017 18:26:08 GMT -5
The strange thing is, they know it ain't taking, because they actively booked the Rumble finish around "The crowd hates Reigns so much they'll go nuts for Orton eliminating him to win it".
At that point, it's really doing a disservice to the talent more than it does the fanbase, stringing him along with some pie in the sky vision that looks further and further away than ever. Hell, it's the same kind of shit that Punk says they did to him.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 2, 2017 19:54:12 GMT -5
I said right from the start that they made a mistake breaking up the SHIELD. They should have kept them together for another year, then turned Roman heel. He then would have been the corporate heel with limos, champagne, nice clothes, an expensive watch, some hos on each arm, and insulting the fans, especially the male ones. Ambrose should have then been repackaged as a Daniel Bryan-style everyman, and Rollins repackaged as CM Punk type voice of the voiceless character. Eventually Reigns gets sick and tired of HHH and Stephanie and turns on them, with Reigns obliterating HHH. Instead, we have Roman being the X-Pac of the group, literally. Just without the talent Waltman has in ring. Don't get me wrong, Roman doesn't suck but X-Pac was always a damn workhorse to me, and an innovator in the states from a very young age.
He kept the Shield Colors and Mannerisms even after the Split. He kept the theme. And he had intense heat. He basically can't let the group go and form a new identity because he seems physically incapable of doing so. And it's not just a few months after the fact it's been what about FOUR YEARS NOW?
Roman is literally that member of the band who hangs on to the band instead of doing their own shit and less and less people care because he is not what made the band what they were, it was EVERYONE in it, he was a part of it, but not the whole reason it was a big thing. He just comes off as a try-hard who can't get over as himself and hangs on to the past, while Rollins and Dean have completely become their own guys.
It's definitely one of the worst things about him, and if he does go heel, he needs to completely overhaul himself. New Theme, Gear, even a new moveset if possible... dude needs complete re-invention...
Roman doesn't need a new moveset,he just need to mix up with a few more things. If you are not watching a stipulation match with Roman,you have seen all of his matches.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 20:41:38 GMT -5
And when he turns heel again, the same folks calling for his head will be on his dick. Ain't that right, Miz. >"Ain't that right, Miz" Miz was on the roster for over 10 (word to Tye Dillinger, ten) consecutive years before smarks even gave that motherf***er a passing glance Few had a positive word to say about him until he started really getting into the groove of the Hollywood gimmick, which itself took, what, several months? That's not to take anything away from his hard work, that's just a fact. It ain't like dudes had a change of heart about him overnight. FAR from it
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Post by Yacht Persona on Feb 2, 2017 21:21:44 GMT -5
The company is basically sabotaging his career at this point.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 2, 2017 21:44:39 GMT -5
At a certain point, I figure that Reigns will get that kind of heat that made people turn around on Batista. People were tired of him at a certain point in his run as "The Guy" and getting shot after shot at the championship, and he was getting kinda dickish with his critics even as a babyface. Of course, the differences were Batista actually has a ton of charisma, they were smart to turn him heel when they did (whereas with guys like Reigns and Cena, backstage seems like they're timid and incapable at turning them heel at the right time), and, of course, memes. I don't know if Roman has that sort of character in him. Dave has shown that he's got the ability to not take himself that seriously; Roman hasn't really shown that yet. Though if they just let Roman be a badass and barely speak, that'd be a step in the right direction. If that was the case you wouldn't need the Big Dave sort of character.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Feb 2, 2017 21:47:06 GMT -5
The strange thing is, they know it ain't taking, because they actively booked the Rumble finish around "The crowd hates Reigns so much they'll go nuts for Orton eliminating him to win it". At that point, it's really doing a disservice to the talent more than it does the fanbase, stringing him along with some pie in the sky vision that looks further and further away than ever. Hell, it's the same kind of shit that Punk says they did to him. I have a feeling he's only 'face' right now because Balor got injured. Despite his polarizing reaction, a mini face Shield reunion with Rollins is a lot more profitable with house shows and live TV than either of the two apart. I was going to say when Balor gets back, he'll finally get his heel turn...but now Rollins is injured, and again, after Reigns it's..Sami Zayn as your third place face character? If they feel like letting Sami help Balor with top face duty then Reigns might get his due.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Feb 3, 2017 8:39:03 GMT -5
The strange thing is, they know it ain't taking, because they actively booked the Rumble finish around "The crowd hates Reigns so much they'll go nuts for Orton eliminating him to win it". At that point, it's really doing a disservice to the talent more than it does the fanbase, stringing him along with some pie in the sky vision that looks further and further away than ever. Hell, it's the same kind of shit that Punk says they did to him. I have a feeling he's only 'face' right now because Balor got injured. Despite his polarizing reaction, a mini face Shield reunion with Rollins is a lot more profitable with house shows and live TV than either of the two apart. I was going to say when Balor gets back, he'll finally get his heel turn...but now Rollins is injured, and again, after Reigns it's..Sami Zayn as your third place face character? If they feel like letting Sami help Balor with top face duty then Reigns might get his due. It'd help if they would pull the trigger on pushing Zayn or Cesaro, and the former seems to be happening. But yeah, Balor getting hurt pretty much forces them to delay turning Reigns. Though I still feel the turn is finally coming sooner rather than later.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 3, 2017 9:27:22 GMT -5
And when he turns heel again, the same folks calling for his head will be on his dick. Ain't that right, Miz. >"Ain't that right, Miz" Miz was on the roster for over 10 (word to Tye Dillinger, ten) consecutive years before smarks even gave that motherf***er a passing glance Few had a positive word to say about him until he started really getting into the groove of the Hollywood gimmick, which itself took, what, several months? That's not to take anything away from his hard work, that's just a fact. It ain't like dudes had a change of heart about him overnight. FAR from it And Miz still cant work as face , that is big part.why people like him more now.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 3, 2017 12:22:21 GMT -5
Roman is that dude. That is my contribution.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 3, 2017 12:30:52 GMT -5
The thing is, they have self-awareness about it, and they think that's enough.
Like, Ohh, hey, you can troll your fans by bring him out at 30 and teasing that he'll win, good for you, now explain how that entertains anybody?
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