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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Feb 3, 2017 12:37:18 GMT -5
The thing is, they have self-awareness about it, and they think that's enough. Like, Ohh, hey, you can troll your fans by bring him out at 30 and teasing that he'll win, good for you, now explain how that entertains anybody? The problem is, Vince doesn't care. He wants it, so it'll happen. f*** anyone who doesn't agree with him. He will actively try to bully them into accepting his masturbatory programming and then grin as his daughter and yes-men call him a genius. Maybe he was a genius. He ain't one anymore. He's creatively bankrupt, a stubborn old man with no idea how to create a star in 2017.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 3, 2017 13:14:33 GMT -5
Vince's star making ability was always overrated.
If in doubt, just ask Rocky Maivia, "The Ringmaster" Steve Austin, Greenwich snob Hunter Hearst Helmsley, and Mason the Mutilator.
All gimmicks that required change and fine tuning before the performer playing them was able to flourish.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Feb 3, 2017 13:21:35 GMT -5
The thing is, they have self-awareness about it, and they think that's enough. Like, Ohh, hey, you can troll your fans by bring him out at 30 and teasing that he'll win, good for you, now explain how that entertains anybody? The problem is, Vince doesn't care. He wants it, so it'll happen. f*** anyone who doesn't agree with him. He will actively try to bully them into accepting his masturbatory programming and then grin as his daughter and yes-men call him a genius. Maybe he was a genius. He ain't one anymore. He's creatively bankrupt, a stubborn old man with no idea how to create a star in 2017. I quote this a lot, but somebody here(I forget who) put it perfectly. I'm paraphrasing: "Vince had his finger perfectly on the pulse of the 80's, and in the 90's, he knew when to listen to the right people. Somewhere in the 00's, he lost the ability to listen and delegate, and started to push his own vision over what the fans wanted."
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Post by benstudd on Feb 3, 2017 16:54:22 GMT -5
I said right from the start that they made a mistake breaking up the SHIELD. They should have kept them together for another year, then turned Roman heel. He then would have been the corporate heel with limos, champagne, nice clothes, an expensive watch, some hos on each arm, and insulting the fans, especially the male ones. Ambrose should have then been repackaged as a Daniel Bryan-style everyman, and Rollins repackaged as CM Punk type voice of the voiceless character. Eventually Reigns gets sick and tired of HHH and Stephanie and turns on them, with Reigns obliterating HHH. Instead, we have Roman being the X-Pac of the group, literally. Just without the talent Waltman has in ring. Don't get me wrong, Roman doesn't suck but X-Pac was always a damn workhorse to me, and an innovator in the states from a very young age.
He kept the Shield Colors and Mannerisms even after the Split. He kept the theme. And he had intense heat. He basically can't let the group go and form a new identity because he seems physically incapable of doing so. And it's not just a few months after the fact it's been what about FOUR YEARS NOW?
Roman is literally that member of the band who hangs on to the band instead of doing their own shit and less and less people care because he is not what made the band what they were, it was EVERYONE in it, he was a part of it, but not the whole reason it was a big thing. He just comes off as a try-hard who can't get over as himself and hangs on to the past, while Rollins and Dean have completely become their own guys.
It's definitely one of the worst things about him, and if he does go heel, he needs to completely overhaul himself. New Theme, Gear, even a new moveset if possible... dude needs complete re-invention...
The douchebag of the band who still wants to pick up young chicks.
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Post by corndog on Feb 4, 2017 12:33:36 GMT -5
The problem is, Vince doesn't care. He wants it, so it'll happen. f*** anyone who doesn't agree with him. He will actively try to bully them into accepting his masturbatory programming and then grin as his daughter and yes-men call him a genius. Maybe he was a genius. He ain't one anymore. He's creatively bankrupt, a stubborn old man with no idea how to create a star in 2017. I quote this a lot, but somebody here(I forget who) put it perfectly. I'm paraphrasing: "Vince had his finger perfectly on the pulse of the 80's, and in the 90's, he knew when to listen to the right people. Somewhere in the 00's, he lost the ability to listen and delegate, and started to push his own vision over what the fans wanted." As a counter-point, not saying you are wrong, but in the 80s and 90s Vince had to listen to the fans, now he doesn't. So I'm sure he has lost his touch so much as this is what Vince has always wanted to do. We subscribe to the WWE Network, shows still sell out and there is no major competition in North America. He has defeated all of major competition and now is set on building the global brand and focused on competition outside of the US.
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Post by Zen411 on Feb 4, 2017 15:07:09 GMT -5
I want to see him as Purple Reigns. Manbun hairdo just to be douchey and wearing purple. Not a full on prince knockoff but maybe influenced by him like John morrison was influenced by Jim morrison.
I also could see him reforming the all heels Bloodline with the usos and Nia Jax.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Feb 4, 2017 17:15:14 GMT -5
I want to see him as Purple Reigns. Manbun hairdo just to be douchey and wearing purple. Not a full on prince knockoff but maybe influenced by him like John morrison was influenced by Jim morrison. I also could see him reforming the all heels Bloodline with the usos and Nia Jax. We already have a Struggle Prince on the roster!
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Post by Captain2 on Feb 4, 2017 17:45:14 GMT -5
To be fair, Maven has also eliminated The Undertaker.
I think Roman is a step up.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 4, 2017 17:47:55 GMT -5
If WWE are worried that a heel turn for Roman might affect his merch sales, it's no big deal. The solution is to turn his fans heel with him.
Have him go out there and say some shit like "For all the fans out there who support me, I appreciate it. For all the fans out there who hate me, you got two choices, deal with it, or kiss my ass"
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Post by honsou on Feb 4, 2017 17:53:02 GMT -5
I think that Vince thinks that there are a core group of wrestling fans out there that will watch the product no matter how bad it gets, so he never needs to cater to them. So instead he'll bring people in he thinks a non wrestling fan will like and not give a damn that the core group will hate what is happening because he knows they'll never leave anyway.
I think he right on the core group never leaving, but trying to attract non wrestling fans like this is a really dumb idea
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Post by Zen411 on Feb 4, 2017 18:03:46 GMT -5
I want to see him as Purple Reigns. Manbun hairdo just to be douchey and wearing purple. Not a full on prince knockoff but maybe influenced by him like John morrison was influenced by Jim morrison. I also could see him reforming the all heels Bloodline with the usos and Nia Jax. We already have a Struggle Prince on the roster! Not getting this. Who are we talking about out?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 4, 2017 18:07:22 GMT -5
We already have a Struggle Prince on the roster! Not getting this. Who are we talking about out? Patrick Clark in NXT.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Feb 4, 2017 18:09:30 GMT -5
We already have a Struggle Prince on the roster! Not getting this. Who are we talking about out? Patrick Clark, aka NXT's Struggle Prince
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 4, 2017 20:32:36 GMT -5
Not getting this. Who are we talking about out? Patrick Clark, aka NXT's Struggle Prince Could somebody please explain this Modern Urban Slang version of "Struggle" to me? I'm old and can't keep up anymore.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Feb 4, 2017 20:50:55 GMT -5
Patrick Clark, aka NXT's Struggle Prince Could somebody please explain this Modern Urban Slang version of "Struggle" to me? I'm old and can't keep up anymore. Second rate, shitty, of poor quality, rip off, poor man's... more specifically it's when ya see some other guy do/with something and you wanna try and emulate it, but it's not YOURS and it's obvious you're being fake or trying to keep up with someone else. TLDR: The end result of biting someone's shit poorly.
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Post by badkarma on Feb 4, 2017 20:53:31 GMT -5
To be fair, Maven has also eliminated The Undertaker. I think Roman is a step up. Maven also beat Cena. Maven > Roman
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Feb 4, 2017 21:11:29 GMT -5
Vince's star making ability was always overrated. If in doubt, just ask Rocky Maivia, "The Ringmaster" Steve Austin, Greenwich snob Hunter Hearst Helmsley, and Mason the Mutilator. All gimmicks that required change and fine tuning before the performer playing them was able to flourish. I know you know, but it had to be said. Let's not forget that this was: Steve Austin, a guy who is one of the best to lace a pair of boots. And he had star written all over him since he was Stunning Steve. The Rock, who was also charisma is the flesh. Grew up in the business and who was able to play off of Austin, Undertaker, DX, and etc. Triple H. Despite how people feel, he put himself in position to be where he is. He was friends with Shawn, Scott, and Nash who also pretty damn important. And took advantage of timing like a mutherf***er. These are just three examples of have buying a $500,000 house with $5,000,000 buried in the basement. Vince is a good business man who had a horseshoe up his ass for many years. And he's tried to f*** things up, but he's gotten lucky to have the people he's had around him, and people who just flat out love pro wrestling through thick and thin.
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Post by benstudd on Feb 4, 2017 21:37:00 GMT -5
Vince's star making ability was always overrated. If in doubt, just ask Rocky Maivia, "The Ringmaster" Steve Austin, Greenwich snob Hunter Hearst Helmsley, and Mason the Mutilator. All gimmicks that required change and fine tuning before the performer playing them was able to flourish. I know you know, but it had to be said. Let's not forget that this was: Steve Austin, a guy who is one of the best to lace a pair of boots. And he had star written all over him since he was Stunning Steve. The Rock, who was also charisma is the flesh. Grew up in the business and who was able to play off of Austin, Undertaker, DX, and etc. Triple H. Despite how people feel, he put himself in position to be where he is. He was friends with Shawn, Scott, and Nash who also pretty damn important. And took advantage of timing like a mutherf***er. These are just three examples of have buying a $500,000 house with $5,000,000 buried in the basement. Vince is a good business man who had a horseshoe up his ass for many years. And he's tried to f*** things up, but he's gotten lucky to have the people he's had around him, and people who just flat out love pro wrestling through thick and thin. Austin not only came up with the Stone Cold character by himself(basing him on serial killers and with the help of his then wife) but he won the KOTR cause they wanted to punish Hunter. And Terry Taylor said the whole Austin speach that night of "Austin 3:16 means that I just woop your ass!" Vince didn't even watch it live. Cause Vince only cared and watched the top guys. Next, even after all the Austin t-shirts, he only got into the main event afterwards cause Bret Hart chose him in 1996 to be his comeback opponant. Adding to that, Russo says a lot of stuff but he says Vince didn't want Austin to talk. Russo had to show Vince that Austin could do it when Austin was on the commentary boot at one time.
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Feb 5, 2017 1:49:17 GMT -5
And its HIS Yard now, ya gotta make Roman look strong remember?
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Post by madness50 on Feb 5, 2017 2:50:35 GMT -5
I want to like the guy, but WWE has done such a poor job presenting him on TV. His best version of his character is the silent badass who wrecks his opponents. Instead, they trot him out to cut dull promos and tell bad jokes. His matches are actually pretty good, but his character is so lame and he honestly is a terrible babyface. He carries himself as a heel in the ring. I wish Vince would remember that his supposed cousin was an unpopular babyface once too and he turned heel and later became the biggest star in the world today.
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