StuntGranny®
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Post by StuntGranny® on Feb 21, 2017 12:05:14 GMT -5
Oh my god. I have so much to say about this, but my brain can't eek out those words because I am amazed that someone this awful is on the main roster. f***.
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Post by froggyfrog on Feb 21, 2017 12:15:55 GMT -5
Nah he's ready for the main roster. You don't let an act that hot simmer in developmental
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 21, 2017 12:21:10 GMT -5
Triple H signs everybody that's sort of his job description, and I don't think his lack of progress is a reflection on anything. Not everyone has the potential to be good in the ring and developmental cuts people who can't go all the time; what saved Enzo is being able to talk so well on the mic and get a crowd so firmly behind him that they know they can draw money with him even if he's terrible in the ring. Do we consider it a negative reflection of NXT and how Triple H is running things when they go and cut the bottom whatever percentage of developmental to make room for new people? Or when they release dudes who had been on NXT TV and were going nowhere? There have been plenty of lumbering dudes from previous farm systems that were bad in the ring too, but they didn't have the ability to come out and make an entire arena chant along with his intro schtick. I just really don't see what Triple H or NXT have to do with any of this. He's terrible in the ring but golden on the mic, like a whole lot of guys before him were. If it weren't for how well he can talk he wouldn't have made it to the main roster, but his presence there is built entirely on the act that no matter how bad he stinks up the ring people go nuts for him. Triple H signs everyone on recommendations from the scouts, Enzo is one of the few he actually scouted himself, not after a tryout, not on Regal's recommendation, he signed him after seeing a videotape he was handed in a gym. Unlike previous generations of sub par workers, Enzo also is the product of the most expensive school wrestling has ever known, something so lavishly funded that it make the powerplant seem like something that was run in an overgrown field behind CNN and it's putting talent out who don't even know how to go over the top rope. Triple H wants the plaudits when guys who learned all they know elsewhere are successful, he absolutely should share some of the blame for workers like Enzo given how much money has been spent under his watch, it reflects badly on the system that produced him and heads would roll if it were Mike Bucci, Jim Cornette or anyone else overseeing it. I agree with the sentiment people have that being bad in the ring is not a problem when you're charismatic, to an extent, but the problem is Enzo is former Diva search contestant level bad and is going to be shelved for an extended period of time sooner rather than later if he doesn't show improvement and then what? He may sell shirts now, but will he after a long layoff? Or after his rotten ringwork starts to hurt others? Guy needs to either be a manager or go back to developmental.
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Post by Mackenzie Gorn on Feb 21, 2017 12:26:01 GMT -5
Enzo got called up because he's more over than most of the upper to lower midcard in the WWE right now. Those Certified G shirts are selling like hotcakes and people want him sent down to Off TV Developmental? Good luck with that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 12:34:22 GMT -5
Oh my god. I have so much to say about this, but my brain can't eek out those words because I am amazed that someone this awful is on the main roster. f***. Best part about it is Cesaro's double take. The gif ends early because in the match he stared at him afterwards as the camera zoomed it on his face.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 21, 2017 12:38:10 GMT -5
Triple H signs everybody that's sort of his job description, and I don't think his lack of progress is a reflection on anything. Not everyone has the potential to be good in the ring and developmental cuts people who can't go all the time; what saved Enzo is being able to talk so well on the mic and get a crowd so firmly behind him that they know they can draw money with him even if he's terrible in the ring. Do we consider it a negative reflection of NXT and how Triple H is running things when they go and cut the bottom whatever percentage of developmental to make room for new people? Or when they release dudes who had been on NXT TV and were going nowhere? There have been plenty of lumbering dudes from previous farm systems that were bad in the ring too, but they didn't have the ability to come out and make an entire arena chant along with his intro schtick. I just really don't see what Triple H or NXT have to do with any of this. He's terrible in the ring but golden on the mic, like a whole lot of guys before him were. If it weren't for how well he can talk he wouldn't have made it to the main roster, but his presence there is built entirely on the act that no matter how bad he stinks up the ring people go nuts for him. Triple H signs everyone on recommendations from the scouts, Enzo is one of the few he actually scouted himself, not after a tryout, not on Regal's recommendation, he signed him after seeing a videotape he was handed in a gym. Unlike previous generations of sub par workers, Enzo also is the product of the most expensive school wrestling has ever known, something so lavishly funded that it make the powerplant seem like something that was run in an overgrown field behind CNN and it's putting talent out who don't even know how to go over the top rope. Triple H wants the plaudits when guys who learned all they know elsewhere are successful, he absolutely should share some of the blame for workers like Enzo given how much money has been spent under his watch, it reflects badly on the system that produced him and heads would roll if it were Mike Bucci, Jim Cornette or anyone else overseeing it. I agree with the sentiment people have that being bad in the ring is not a problem when you're charismatic, to an extent, but the problem is Enzo is former Diva search contestant level bad and is going to be shelved for an extended period of time sooner rather than later if he doesn't show improvement and then what? He may sell shirts now, but will he after a long layoff? Or after his rotten ringwork starts to hurt others? Guy needs to either be a manager or go back to developmental. But it's not the failing of NXT for not teaching him it's the failing of Enzo Amore the human being who apparently isn't cut out to be a wrestler, but who has managed to talk his way into the position he's in. If they at all cared about trying to protect this idea that NXT turns out top flight workers they wouldn't have developmental being a weekly TV show where dudes like Riddick Moss get to wrestle, and Enzo Amore never would have seen the light of day. If that were the case, then the releases of guys like Bull Dempsey and Sylvester LeFort would be marks of shame against the developmental system, but they're not, they're seen as dudes who just didn't work out. If someone isn't cut out for wrestling then it's going to show no matter how good the teaching is. You can't just write off that WWE has always had really terrible guys on its TV from every developmental stage just because this one happens to be better funded. Everyone's turned out some stinkers. Hell, there was a solid while where the crop of guys they'd call up were just one big failure after another, and nobody got sacked for it.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Feb 21, 2017 13:00:23 GMT -5
I do hold the belief that NXT isn't the outstanding developmental 'territory' that a lot of people want/claim it to be. At the very least their call-up selection is a little questionable. Most they've called up weren't ready. The ones who were ready (As far as in-ring is concerned) have trouble transitioning their characters to the main roster. Yes, I get that NXT Land is a bubble, but it's on the trainers to get those guys ready for the main roster and prepare them for the transition.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Feb 21, 2017 13:03:48 GMT -5
Who cares?
Enzo's not there to put on good matches, there's plenty (more than ever) that are on the WWE roster to do that. Just as long as WWE don't put him in any singles matches, we're all good.
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Post by corndog on Feb 21, 2017 13:06:48 GMT -5
It is interesting, its not like he was ever a good wrestler, but he's regressing, not progressing. At this point he should be improving in the ring exponentially, like Strowman who started training 9 months after him, not getting worse. This is a pretty good sign that he is just isn't going to get it and the green will probably never come on. In a perfect world, Enzo should just be the manager of Cass. But the problem is, if you had a small loud mouth guy talking trash with a big guy doing the in ring work, it's going to make them heels. So, the WWE is just going to have to wait for them to cool off and the merch to stop selling in order for that to happen. Also, managers like Jimmy Hart and especially Bobby Heenan were masters of selling and taking bumps.
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Post by corndog on Feb 21, 2017 13:09:43 GMT -5
I do hold the belief that NXT isn't the outstanding developmental 'territory' that a lot of people want/claim it to be. At the very least their call-up selection is a little questionable. Most they've called up weren't ready. The ones who were ready (As far as in-ring is concerned) have trouble transitioning their characters to the main roster. Yes, I get that NXT Land is a bubble, but it's on the trainers to get those guys ready for the main roster and prepare them for the transition. The thing about NXT, is it can only take you so far. They teach you the basics and give you a chance to get over by fine tuning your character. But as far as in ring work is concerned, the best experience is working house shows on a regular basis, which they don't run full time like the main roster.
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Post by thegame415 on Feb 21, 2017 14:21:47 GMT -5
Who cares, he's entertaining and gets the crowd to care.
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Post by eJm on Feb 21, 2017 14:35:40 GMT -5
Enzo Amore is a victim of WWE trying to fit people into parameters they don't work in despite the fact that the easier roles have been faded for no real reason.
For reasons that probably have to do about drawing power and trying to get something for their investment, the role of manager and valet has been eroded away and, as a result, the charismatic ones are told to train to be in the ring anyway despite the fact they might not suit it or don't have the learning ability.
I mean, we just came out from an age where every hot woman was trained to be a wrestler, come hell or high water, even if they never progress from a certain level. Not to say all they COULD be was valets but there was a reason that Miss Elizabeth wasn't ever in the ring but still got a connection to the fans.
It's sad, too, because a lot of talented people would have benefited from a manager talking them up and helping them adjust to promos. Not even talking about Paul Heyman and Brock here, Vader and Race/Cornette worked because Race knew about being a tough bastard and Cornette could talk rings around most people to hype someone up. Jimmy Hart got himself over with being a puny guy with a megaphone to big himself up and his clients, Teddy Hart is criminally underrated in that department (even with the HOF induction) and you don't need me to tell about Heenan.
Enzo Amore with his own group would be astounding. Imagine him hyping up Big Cass, Carmella and a tag team of some kind, maybe even the Hype Bros in some kind of stable that could be super over as face or heels. Enzo would be there to make everyone more comfortable speaking and the variety of characters would make for some really fun segments. Instead, he's put in the ring and not great at his job which is a disservice to him.
Think about it from a Hollywood sense. Keanu Reeves is great in John Wick, he's great in The Matrix and he's iconic in Bill and Ted. He sucks in Bram Stoker's Dracula and didn't work AT ALL in The Day The Earth Stood Still remake. There's always a case to be made for going outside your comfort zone in roles but if you were his agent, wouldn't you rather try and get him roles that can work for him that he can go full force in rather than try and have him play something that he won't be comfortable in?
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Post by xCompackx on Feb 21, 2017 14:35:54 GMT -5
Just don't let him wrestle at all. Let Cass handle the wrestling while Enzo's purely a promo guy. That's what they seem to do with Xavier in New Day, which is kind of weird since Xavier can actually wrestle, but hey.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Feb 21, 2017 14:43:43 GMT -5
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Post by Cela on Feb 21, 2017 16:05:26 GMT -5
Enzo can't wrestle, Cass can't talk. Still it works.
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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 21, 2017 17:55:03 GMT -5
Damn I usually defend Enzo and think he's a pretty solid tag-team wrestler but that gif is at Del Rio levels of being unable to react to a botch.
Unlike ADR though he's over, not reliant on being a good in-ring wrestler and can stay believable as a character so he should be OK as long as he doesn't make a habit of doing shit like that.
They have to start booking to his strengths though, basically stick to regular tag-matches and never put him in singles or multi-team matches.
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Post by theironyuppie on Feb 21, 2017 18:59:15 GMT -5
It is interesting, its not like he was ever a good wrestler, but he's regressing, not progressing. At this point he should be improving in the ring exponentially, like Strowman who started training 9 months after him, not getting worse. This is a pretty good sign that he is just isn't going to get it and the green will probably never come on. In a perfect world, Enzo should just be the manager of Cass. But the problem is, if you had a small loud mouth guy talking trash with a big guy doing the in ring work, it's going to make them heels. So, the WWE is just going to have to wait for them to cool off and the merch to stop selling in order for that to happen. Also, managers like Jimmy Hart and especially Bobby Heenan were masters of selling and taking bumps. That's a good point, Strowman is an example of someone where he's really rewarded the trust they've invested in him by rapidly improving in-ring. Not everyone can do the same, but you'd like them to at least stay at the same level. When you describe him like that, he almost sounds like a Dana Brooke, who genuinely can be amusing in what she does, but isn't showing much besides. I agree about the issue with transitioning him to a manager role, though.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 21, 2017 19:47:45 GMT -5
At least Enzo was super over when he was called up and is still super over, moves merch, and gets crowds to care
Take the opposite of that with Apollo Crews. He was called up early and literally the same time Enzo was. Dude can work really well, problem is, who the f*** cares? His personality is on par with stale bread.
Enzo has a point, I'm not saying his in ring skills are severely lacking because they are, but he's what WWE strive for, people who are over as shit. He's being used in commercial brand deals, he has the crowd in the palm of his hand, and overall, he's one of the top draws I think they actually have right now on RAW anyway.
Let's not act like Enzo will be the first or last guy to have minimal wrestling skill and still get super over, there are other guys who are the same way on the roster, Heath Slater anyone? I love Heath but whens the last time you saw him bust out more than five moves a match? Dudes personality has gotten him where he is. Personally I think No Way Jose could be next... it's just a part of wrestling, there will be guys with the total package of great wrestler and great talker... but sometimes all you need is the mouth, and Enzo has it.
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Post by Squirrel Master on Feb 21, 2017 20:23:29 GMT -5
Enzo's getting _worse_ in the ring from week to week though, it seems like. He's going to hurt himself (again) if things keep going like this. Cut down his number of house show dates and mostly just use him as a manager for Cass on RAW, and get him back in the Performance Center as often as possible until he stops being a danger to himself. Even beyond that, through his career- NXT and WWE, it would have just been more perfect for Enzo to be transitioned into being a manager for Big Cass and do it perfectly. Even if Enzo isn't a good wrestler, he's good enough to be a good manager (and again, has crowds eating out of his hand.) Meanwhile, Big Cass is just good enough that if you transition him to be a singles guy with Enzo as a manager, he is just good enough to be the homegrown mega-star WWE wanted from Roman Reigns.Lest we forget how Bobby Heenan sucked in the ring, and Hulk Hogan was as green as Big Cass is now during the first year of his storied career.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 21, 2017 20:32:03 GMT -5
I still don't get why his instinct wasn't to fall to the mat and roll out to the apron. He'd end up in the same spot without looking like a dumbass.
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