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Post by schma on Feb 23, 2017 1:28:43 GMT -5
I was a fan of both WCW and WWE but the way they treated DDP in WWE was absolute crap. I'd cooled on him a bit during his Jersey Triad run but to treat the guy the way they did was ridiculous. Yes they put him in a feud with Taker. However, they completely buried him in the feud and ignored his success in WCW ("make me famous"). A lot of the WCW guys got a raw deal but his was one of the rawest. Giving him the European championship was almost like they were just giving a giant middle finger to his WCW fans. So, I'm kinda glad they didn't show his WWE run bs. According to Meltzer, DDP went to Undertaker with a full script for their match. Which got him tons of heat backstage (and especially with Taker). Then DDP got a reputation for not knowing how to work a match. Which pretty much sealed his fate in WWE. Yeah, I heard it rubbed a few people the wrong way when he tried to plan out matches like that. It sounds like it was a bit of a misunderstanding due to DDP being so excited to be there and kinda overdoing it. Still, there's a lot of guys he worked with that they could have talked to in order to sort it out instead of just assuming the worst. But then wrestling's struck me as a really odd business ever since I started to see the backstage stuff. I was a fan of both WCW and WWE but the way they treated DDP in WWE was absolute crap. I'd cooled on him a bit during his Jersey Triad run but to treat the guy the way they did was ridiculous. Yes they put him in a feud with Taker. However, they completely buried him in the feud and ignored his success in WCW ("make me famous"). A lot of the WCW guys got a raw deal but his was one of the rawest. Giving him the European championship was almost like they were just giving a giant middle finger to his WCW fans. So, I'm kinda glad they didn't show his WWE run bs. DDP Begging for Taker to Make him famous was not meant to be DDP Claiming to be a nobody. It was DDP trying to goad Taker into a fight using a response to Taker's catchphrase at the time of "I'll make you famous" which he was using while alluding to making moments by beating the shit out of his opponents like Mankind and the Cell. not that the WWE did him any favors in that feud, but that line was DDP being a cocky asshole. Okay, I can see that. To be honest I never really remembered Taker using that as a catchphrase but it makes sense. It is possible that my anger at the way he was treated blinded me to some of the stuff that made sense. Though him being a stalker made zero sense. As someone else said, he should have been leading the invasion with Booker T and gone to war with the Rock over who was the real people's champ.
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Post by eJm on Feb 23, 2017 3:42:05 GMT -5
I believe the first time he used the "I'll make you famous" line was in the build to HHH/Taker at WrestleMania 17.
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Post by Ricky Nightshade on Feb 23, 2017 4:14:31 GMT -5
Makes sense since the Undertaker has only ever been married to Michelle McCool and never had "SARA" tattooed on his throat.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Feb 23, 2017 4:40:35 GMT -5
I mean I guess if you want a serious answer, from a psychological perspective the human libido will always crave for things that are either different from what they currently have or something they can't have in general (someone else's wife/husband for instance) so him having a crush on Sara was somewhat understandable. But yeah Kimberly was 10x prettier and DDP never even showed a hint of being able to be a nutcase stalker weirdo while in WCW. I'm convinced the "original" idea - once it was decided upon that DDP was the stalker, that is - was Taker and Sara vs. DDP and Kimberly. There's an awkward moment towards the beginning of the feud where the Takers seem to have Page cornered. He waits for a moment, then goes after Sara. Notice how the camera is focused on the entrance. The whole scene screams "insert Kimberly here," Edit: www.dailymotion.com/video/x3h00l_ddp-attacks-sara_sportThe unmasking promo always gave me the vibe that DDP was never really interested in Sara and just stalked Taker's wife to piss him off, make himself a target, and get himself a fight with one of the big dogs of WWE. The whole "make me famous" stuff I kind of liked, and wish they'd stuck with that with DDP being a sarcastic asshole about Taker thinking he can make the People's Champ "famous", and basically having a chip on his shoulder about being a massive WCW star yet WWF acting like he's nothing. But nah we can't have that. Or the obvious People's Champ vs People's Champ feud, because that means acknowledging that people liked WCW. I was a fan of both WCW and WWE but the way they treated DDP in WWE was absolute crap. I'd cooled on him a bit during his Jersey Triad run but to treat the guy the way they did was ridiculous. Yes they put him in a feud with Taker. However, they completely buried him in the feud and ignored his success in WCW ("make me famous"). A lot of the WCW guys got a raw deal but his was one of the rawest. Giving him the European championship was almost like they were just giving a giant middle finger to his WCW fans. So, I'm kinda glad they didn't show his WWE run bs. According to Meltzer, DDP went to Undertaker with a full script for their match. Which got him tons of heat backstage (and especially with Taker). Then DDP got a reputation for not knowing how to work a match. Which pretty much sealed his fate in WWE. I seem to remember there were a few stories around this time period of Undertaker kinda being an asshole backstage. I mean, if scripting matches worked for Randy Savage, it can work for most people. DDP is one of my all time favs, I'm glad that WWE seem to now give him the props he deserves instead of acting like because he was WCW he was nobody.
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Post by BigAl on Feb 23, 2017 6:06:51 GMT -5
According to Meltzer, DDP went to Undertaker with a full script for their match. Which got him tons of heat backstage (and especially with Taker). Then DDP got a reputation for not knowing how to work a match. Which pretty much sealed his fate in WWE. Good god, the naïveté or balls to go to Taker with a script and say "Here's how our match will go" I know DDP has fans, but ddint he has a reputation in the backstage for these kind of things? Didnt Jericho once said he had to be careful when wrestling with dDP since he was not only Bischoff's friend, but also liked scripting his matches so you have to follow it to the teeth, or else risk getting demoted? I could be wrong, but i recall this, and he also had issues in TNA because of this? As for UT, didnt Kizarny had the same problem, he told booking eh scripted a whole angle where he feuded with UT, but Kizarney will be the "heel" face versus Heel/heel UT which got him in hot waters ASAP?
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Post by y4j1981 on Feb 23, 2017 12:03:48 GMT -5
I'm convinced the "original" idea - once it was decided upon that DDP was the stalker, that is - was Taker and Sara vs. DDP and Kimberly. There's an awkward moment towards the beginning of the feud where the Takers seem to have Page cornered. He waits for a moment, then goes after Sara. Notice how the camera is focused on the entrance. The whole scene screams "insert Kimberly here," Edit: www.dailymotion.com/video/x3h00l_ddp-attacks-sara_sportThe unmasking promo always gave me the vibe that DDP was never really interested in Sara and just stalked Taker's wife to piss him off, make himself a target, and get himself a fight with one of the big dogs of WWE. The whole "make me famous" stuff I kind of liked, and wish they'd stuck with that with DDP being a sarcastic asshole about Taker thinking he can make the People's Champ "famous", and basically having a chip on his shoulder about being a massive WCW star yet WWF acting like he's nothing. But nah we can't have that. Or the obvious People's Champ vs People's Champ feud, because that means acknowledging that people liked WCW. According to Meltzer, DDP went to Undertaker with a full script for their match. Which got him tons of heat backstage (and especially with Taker). Then DDP got a reputation for not knowing how to work a match. Which pretty much sealed his fate in WWE. I seem to remember there were a few stories around this time period of Undertaker kinda being an asshole backstage. I mean, if scripting matches worked for Randy Savage, it can work for most people.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Feb 23, 2017 13:22:59 GMT -5
The unmasking promo always gave me the vibe that DDP was never really interested in Sara and just stalked Taker's wife to piss him off, make himself a target, and get himself a fight with one of the big dogs of WWE. The whole "make me famous" stuff I kind of liked, and wish they'd stuck with that with DDP being a sarcastic asshole about Taker thinking he can make the People's Champ "famous", and basically having a chip on his shoulder about being a massive WCW star yet WWF acting like he's nothing. But nah we can't have that. Or the obvious People's Champ vs People's Champ feud, because that means acknowledging that people liked WCW. I seem to remember there were a few stories around this time period of Undertaker kinda being an asshole backstage. I mean, if scripting matches worked for Randy Savage, it can work for most people. Macho Man seemed like one of those guys that, while he wanted to protect his spot, he still wanted to have a great match with whoever he was working with, and tell a great story inside the ring. I tend to forget DDP's WWF run. I marked like hell for his debut, but because he had to be a heel, it soured me. His TNA run was much more enjoyable to watch than his WWF run. Also, because he had a variation of his WCW theme Self High Five, instead of his crappy generic theme in the WWE.
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Post by CertifiedBA on Feb 23, 2017 13:24:57 GMT -5
His WWE days aren't what got him in
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 23, 2017 13:27:33 GMT -5
Macho Man seemed like one of those guys that, while he wanted to protect his spot, he still wanted to have a great match with whoever he was working with, and tell a great story inside the ring. I tend to forget DDP's WWF run. I marked like hell for his debut, but because he had to be a heel, it soured me. His TNA run was much more enjoyable to watch than his WWF run. Also, because he had a variation of his WCW theme Self High Five, instead of his crappy generic theme in the WWE. Personally I always hated his Nirvana rip off theme.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Feb 23, 2017 13:32:45 GMT -5
Macho Man seemed like one of those guys that, while he wanted to protect his spot, he still wanted to have a great match with whoever he was working with, and tell a great story inside the ring. I tend to forget DDP's WWF run. I marked like hell for his debut, but because he had to be a heel, it soured me. His TNA run was much more enjoyable to watch than his WWF run. Also, because he had a variation of his WCW theme Self High Five, instead of his crappy generic theme in the WWE. Personally I always hated his Nirvana rip off theme. When I was younger, I had no clue that it was a copy of Smells Like Teen Spirit, because I hadn't heard of Nirvana at the time. Then later, when I started listening to them, it dawned on me then. But I hated the generic rock theme they gave him in WWE.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Feb 23, 2017 14:06:55 GMT -5
It stings somewhat that DDP (even before he became pro-wrestling's wandering angel) dropped his easy-money AOL contract to join the WWF (and with that, likely a pay-cut), only for it to turn out like salted ass.
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Post by Jam on Feb 23, 2017 14:37:49 GMT -5
His WWF run sucked. The stalker angle was lame as hell. The pop he got on his debut was huge though. He got & earned that pop despite the stalker angle. He got that pop because he was WCWs Rock. People loved him. Vince & Co. had a main event baby face dropped in their lap & jobbed him out to Undertakers old lady. The bullshit makes no sense. DDP deserved better.
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Post by schma on Feb 24, 2017 2:35:12 GMT -5
Macho Man seemed like one of those guys that, while he wanted to protect his spot, he still wanted to have a great match with whoever he was working with, and tell a great story inside the ring. I tend to forget DDP's WWF run. I marked like hell for his debut, but because he had to be a heel, it soured me. His TNA run was much more enjoyable to watch than his WWF run. Also, because he had a variation of his WCW theme Self High Five, instead of his crappy generic theme in the WWE. Personally I always hated his Nirvana rip off theme. It was years before I realized he was saying Self High Five.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Feb 24, 2017 6:46:02 GMT -5
Macho Man seemed like one of those guys that, while he wanted to protect his spot, he still wanted to have a great match with whoever he was working with, and tell a great story inside the ring. I tend to forget DDP's WWF run. I marked like hell for his debut, but because he had to be a heel, it soured me. His TNA run was much more enjoyable to watch than his WWF run. Also, because he had a variation of his WCW theme Self High Five, instead of his crappy generic theme in the WWE. Personally I always hated his Nirvana rip off theme. Me too. I actually really liked the short lived nu-metal theme he had in the dying days of WCW, when he was tag teaming with Kevin Nash (incidentally, always loved that pairing).
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Post by PTBartman on Feb 24, 2017 12:08:07 GMT -5
His HOF video package gave me that impression at least. Not a shot or mention of his WWF days. #WCWlegend That's not a bad thing, that's a good thing.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 24, 2017 12:34:06 GMT -5
DDP got the worst end of the InVasion by far. His debut tells you all you need to know about what they wasted here.
King of the Ring 2001, he comes down to the ring to a shower of boos. Then he unmasks and the place EXPLODES. One of the biggest pops of the night.
Then his promo is so damn good that the crowd instantly turns on him again.
That is amazing work. And they jobbed him out mercilessly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 13:21:02 GMT -5
I know people like to rip on Triple H and Hogan for playing politics, but come on, at that time it was obvious Undertaker was using his political pull.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 13:35:46 GMT -5
Annoying.
If they didn't pretend like the WWE exists in a bubble and let these guys come in hot and stay hot and build to a Wrestlemania or something they could've made all the money.
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Post by xCompackx on Feb 24, 2017 13:48:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I probably wouldn't have had DDP's first feud in WWE be against a guy with as much political stroke as 'Taker, especially if he wasn't interested in the feud. Doesn't seem like a good situation for anyone.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 24, 2017 15:36:29 GMT -5
I always assumed it wasnt a crush on Sara, he just wanted to f*** with Taker.
And it kind of worked. Sure in the ring, Taker destroyed him, but psychologically it was the most anyone had rattled Taker.
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