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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Mar 20, 2017 8:23:11 GMT -5
One criticism I'm hearing from the internet show types is that the thing was "mean spirited".
Just seems....I dunno. Sensitive? Getting all hot about Fandango being a drunk and connecting it to Gordon Solie out of thin air. "Solie was the best! How dare you?!"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 8:27:25 GMT -5
OH LORT
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Mar 20, 2017 8:27:31 GMT -5
If anything Cena was being Solie... not Fandango.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 20, 2017 8:40:35 GMT -5
One criticism I'm hearing from the internet show types is that the thing was "mean spirited". Just seems....I dunno. Sensitive? Getting all hot about Fandango being a drunk and connecting it to Gordon Solie out of thin air. "Solie was the best! How dare you?!" I'm still shocked to this day that, considering how much WWE loves to talk about how the era it made was better than the territories that it WASN'T mean spirited. And probably the only reason that is was because it involved people who were goofing off in the locker room with this stuff before they filmed it and genuinely felt like it was a project of love instead of picking apart everything. Like, if Vince had control over it, it would have been for sure. We as a business just need to laugh at ourselves every so often. It's why I loved the latter stages of the JBL and Cole Show, it became so absurd but there was genuine love to it. Same with the Edge and Christian Show. Turns out the people most capable at writing the jokes about pro wrestling are, well, pro wrestlers. Shocking, that.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Mar 20, 2017 9:04:51 GMT -5
Eh, I feel like if people knew that Vince produced the exact same thing they will be mad at him for mocking hillibilies as dumb rednecks and the regional promotions as being poor and amateur, making a mockery of a beloved era by some of the most hardcore fans who hate lots of things from Vince product (heck, some people took it like that before it was aired in this same thread)
Heck, this hyperbole of this is the only thing in a long time that is universally beloved by the fanbase is ridiculous, considering that 2 months ago everyone loved the british tournament, or the first months of smackdown, the neville/zayn/horsewomen era of nxt, and so on
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 20, 2017 9:16:04 GMT -5
Eh, I feel like if people knew that Vince produced the exact same thing they will be mad at him for mocking hillibilies as dumb rednecks and the regional promotions as being poor and amateur, making a mockery of a beloved era by some of the most hardcore fans who hate lots of things from Vince product. It also wouldn't be funny. Like, at all.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Mar 20, 2017 9:21:32 GMT -5
Eh, I feel like if people knew that Vince produced the exact same thing they will be mad at him for mocking hillibilies as dumb rednecks and the regional promotions as being poor and amateur, making a mockery of a beloved era by some of the most hardcore fans who hate lots of things from Vince product. It also wouldn't be funny. Like, at all. My idea was that the show have the same jokes and all, with nothing changing, just the producer. Is the same with smackdown last year, people assumed that it was good because they thought that Vince had no input on it
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Post by Just call me D.j.m. on Mar 20, 2017 9:37:01 GMT -5
Eh, I feel like if people knew that Vince produced the exact same thing they will be mad at him for mocking hillibilies as dumb rednecks and the regional promotions as being poor and amateur, making a mockery of a beloved era by some of the most hardcore fans who hate lots of things from Vince product (heck, some people took it like that before it was aired in this same thread) Heck, this hyperbole of this is the only thing in a long time that is universally beloved by the fanbase is ridiculous, considering that 2 months ago everyone loved the british tournament, or the first months of smackdown, the neville/zayn/horsewomen era of nxt, and so on I'm convinced that the people saying that this is the only good thing WWE has produced aren't actually big fans of wrestling at all. If anything, they like crapping on wrestling (*cough*) more than actually enjoying it when it's good.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 20, 2017 9:37:23 GMT -5
It also wouldn't be funny. Like, at all. My idea was that the show have the same jokes and all, with nothing changing, just the producer. Is the same with smackdown last year, people assumed that it was good because they thought that Vince had no input on it To say that nothing would have changed if Vince would have suddenly had his name there instead of the producer that did is kind of like saying Captain America: Civil War would have been the same movie with the same ideas if you replaced Kevin Feige with Gore Verbinski. It wouldn't be allowed to be the thing it was, the people running it wouldn't have allowed it because their ideas and knowledge would have affected it. You bring up the cruiserweights and the Horsewomen and stuff, here's a worthy comparison. People loved the Cruiserweight Classic because they allowed the guys themselves to be characters, emphasising their backgrounds, histories and styles which only grew as the round progressed. Look at TJ Perkins. He was a dude who said he was going from place to place for a long time and just about managed to get into the New Japan Dojo, training himself in different styles and after years of going around the world, he made it to the WWE. His promo at the end of the tournament should have been an emphasis for a solid face push as a fighting champion. He comes on Raw, they give him a gamer gimmick. They don't emphasise on what he said before, they don't talk about what he's overcome, they tell him to say 'hit the reset button' with a straight face. Heck, all the cruiserweights came on Raw and they might as well had wiped the Cruiserweight Classic from happening. Nothing that let the tournament flow and got people invested was taken to the division. 205 Live is only NOW getting a direction after MONTHS of barely anything to it. THAT'S the difference between something that's under Vince's vision and something that isn't.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Mar 20, 2017 9:43:25 GMT -5
My idea was that the show have the same jokes and all, with nothing changing, just the producer. Is the same with smackdown last year, people assumed that it was good because they thought that Vince had no input on it To say that nothing would have changed if Vince would have suddenly had his name there instead of the producer that did is kind of like saying Captain America: Civil War would have been the same movie with the same ideas if you replaced Kevin Feige with Gore Verbinski. It wouldn't be allowed to be the thing it was, the people running it wouldn't have allowed it because their ideas and knowledge would have affected it. You bring up the cruiserweights and the Horsewomen and stuff, here's a worthy comparison. People loved the Cruiserweight Classic because they allowed the guys themselves to be characters, emphasising their backgrounds, histories and styles which only grew as the round progressed. Look at TJ Perkins. He was a dude who said he was going from place to place for a long time and just about managed to get into the New Japan Dojo, training himself in different styles and after years of going around the world, he made it to the WWE. His promo at the end of the tournament should have been an emphasis for a solid face push as a fighting champion. He comes on Raw, they give him a gamer gimmick. They don't emphasise on what he said before, they don't talk about what he's overcome, they tell him to say 'hit the reset button' with a straight face. Heck, all the cruiserweights came on Raw and they might as well had wiped the Cruiserweight Classic from happening. Nothing that let the tournament flow and got people invested was taken to the division. 205 Live is only NOW getting a direction after MONTHS of barely anything to it. THAT'S the difference between something that's under Vince's vision and something that isn't. My original post was about how if Vince produced the same show, same jokes, same times, same characters, same length, with nothing changing at all people will shit on it since by the opinion of some fans, Vince can't do no good and his intentions will be mean spirited, is obvious that a real vince version of this will be different. I was trying to say why under Vince with the same product this would have been considered offensive
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 20, 2017 9:46:13 GMT -5
To say that nothing would have changed if Vince would have suddenly had his name there instead of the producer that did is kind of like saying Captain America: Civil War would have been the same movie with the same ideas if you replaced Kevin Feige with Gore Verbinski. It wouldn't be allowed to be the thing it was, the people running it wouldn't have allowed it because their ideas and knowledge would have affected it. You bring up the cruiserweights and the Horsewomen and stuff, here's a worthy comparison. People loved the Cruiserweight Classic because they allowed the guys themselves to be characters, emphasising their backgrounds, histories and styles which only grew as the round progressed. Look at TJ Perkins. He was a dude who said he was going from place to place for a long time and just about managed to get into the New Japan Dojo, training himself in different styles and after years of going around the world, he made it to the WWE. His promo at the end of the tournament should have been an emphasis for a solid face push as a fighting champion. He comes on Raw, they give him a gamer gimmick. They don't emphasise on what he said before, they don't talk about what he's overcome, they tell him to say 'hit the reset button' with a straight face. Heck, all the cruiserweights came on Raw and they might as well had wiped the Cruiserweight Classic from happening. Nothing that let the tournament flow and got people invested was taken to the division. 205 Live is only NOW getting a direction after MONTHS of barely anything to it. THAT'S the difference between something that's under Vince's vision and something that isn't. My original post was about how if Vince produced the same show, same jokes, same times, same characters, same length, with nothing changing at all people will shit on it since by the opinion of some fans, Vince can't do no good and his intentions will be mean spirited, is obvious that a real vince version of this will be different. I was trying to say why under Vince with the same product this would have been considered offensive Except, like I am telling you, people would be able to TELL Vince would have made it because it'd have Vince's style and fingerprints all over it. Thinking that people would hate it because the person credited (even though there were no credits) would change would be disingenuous because that's not how that works at all.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Mar 20, 2017 10:02:51 GMT -5
My original post was about how if Vince produced the same show, same jokes, same times, same characters, same length, with nothing changing at all people will shit on it since by the opinion of some fans, Vince can't do no good and his intentions will be mean spirited, is obvious that a real vince version of this will be different. I was trying to say why under Vince with the same product this would have been considered offensive Except, like I am telling you, people would be able to TELL Vince would have made it because it'd have Vince's style and fingerprints all over it. Thinking that people would hate it because the person credited (even though there were no credits) would change would be disingenuous because that's not how that works at all. People will be mad at the internet boards if you told them that Vince pitched a segment with a southern farmer wrestler who can barely talk, fights for the south and that is also married with his cousin who also has difficulties talking. I mean, that's a mean sterotype who I doubt will make people from those areas proud
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 20, 2017 10:17:47 GMT -5
Except, like I am telling you, people would be able to TELL Vince would have made it because it'd have Vince's style and fingerprints all over it. Thinking that people would hate it because the person credited (even though there were no credits) would change would be disingenuous because that's not how that works at all. People will be mad at the internet boards if you told them that Vince pitched a segment with a southern farmer wrestler who can barely talk, fights for the south and that is also married with his cousin who also has difficulties talking. I mean, that's a mean sterotype who I doubt will make people from those areas proud You're not really addressing my point at all and just throwing around assumptions. And I don't see what Vince pitching a gimmick in a creative meeting to draw money has anything to do with a parody of said gimmick intended to be a parody of that era of wrestling. It's wrestling apples to wrestling oranges. Also, as an aside, there really was zero assumption that Big Bartholomew was in a relationship and or married to his cousin at all (besides us knowing that Rusev and Lana are marred in real life) so I don't see what that has to do with anything.
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Post by Heinz Doofenschmirtz on Mar 20, 2017 10:20:22 GMT -5
One criticism I'm hearing from the internet show types is that the thing was "mean spirited". Just seems....I dunno. Sensitive? Getting all hot about Fandango being a drunk and connecting it to Gordon Solie out of thin air. "Solie was the best! How dare you?!" Wait! What? This might be one of the most affectionate looks at southern wrestling I've seen. It's obvious that there's a real love for the style of product that they're poking fun at. It's like the Airplane movies.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 20, 2017 10:45:01 GMT -5
Goddamn it pal
I would pay anything to actually write SRW episodes. We need to see the Von Erich family parody and every week a brother starts dissapearing and the Fritz parody tries to change the subject
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Mar 20, 2017 10:48:52 GMT -5
One criticism I'm hearing from the internet show types is that the thing was "mean spirited". Just seems....I dunno. Sensitive? Getting all hot about Fandango being a drunk and connecting it to Gordon Solie out of thin air. "Solie was the best! How dare you?!" Wait! What? This might be one of the most affectionate looks at southern wrestling I've seen. It's obvious that there's a real love for the style of product that they're poking fun at. It's like the Airplane movies. Yeah on LAW radio one of the dudes just went on about how the whole thing was insulting and made him angry because of how mean spirited it was in a very matter of fact tone.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Mar 20, 2017 10:50:44 GMT -5
Wait! What? This might be one of the most affectionate looks at southern wrestling I've seen. It's obvious that there's a real love for the style of product that they're poking fun at. It's like the Airplane movies. Yeah on LAW radio one of the dudes just went on about how the whole thing was insulting and made him angry because of how mean spirited it was in a very matter of fact tone. Really don't know how you could watch this and come off with mean spirited. The people involved putting as much effort into it as they did shows how much they love it
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Post by Nickybojelais on Mar 20, 2017 10:52:17 GMT -5
If anything Cena was being Solie... not Fandango. As soon as I saw Fandango's character I immediately thought of the AWA's Larry Nelson
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Mar 20, 2017 10:59:21 GMT -5
Homer Simpson said it best: "It's funny because it's true!"
I found it epically hilarious and it's a needed breath of fresh air.
Look at some of the current NWA shindys....if this isn't a fair and eerie representation of some southern wrestling organizations, then I don't know what is.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Mar 20, 2017 11:21:16 GMT -5
I loved how Tex Ferguson was just getting progressively more and more injured. I wish they could have strung out like 3 or 4 more just to see what happened to him but I guess less is more.
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