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Post by lookout on Apr 3, 2017 8:59:53 GMT -5
I realise Taker is very limited in what he can do at this point, but seriously is anyone going to tell me that if he had been in there with, for example, AJ Styles that they won't have produced a match worthy to end Taker's career? So frustrating to think about. Yeah...aj would have made him look sooooo much better. He somehow managed to get a really good regular match out of shane mcmahon for gods sake. Not to mention that it would have been something that people would not have shit on because the fans love Aj. But no...he had to go with the guy who has 2 freaking moves, is not capable of actually carrying someone like that to a good match, and everyone hates. Speaking of hate, it's going to be fun to see the reaction roman gets tonight. If roman doesn't get a bunch of FU chants tonight, i'll be disappointed. Although i still wish people would turn their back on him when he comes out. Yeah there is your "future" mcmahon...in the middle of an arena full of people with their backs turned to him in an unprecedented sign of disgust because you refuse to listen to your own audience. I just hope it isn't just normal boos....that means nothing to them anymore...obviously. |
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Post by Dang! on Apr 3, 2017 9:03:18 GMT -5
Why in the blue f*** didn't they end his career with his loss to Lesnar? That would have been an appropriate ending for his career: A HUGE bang and not a pitiful whimper like jobbing to a useless wank pheasant. f*** this company!
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Post by Heinz Doofenschmirtz on Apr 3, 2017 9:06:46 GMT -5
I don't get how anyone can see this as helping Reigns. If he was a heel, great, that can work. As face, nah, fam.
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Post by JIMBOB on Apr 3, 2017 9:09:02 GMT -5
It really should have been the HIAC with HHH This |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Apr 3, 2017 9:09:47 GMT -5
Given the similar look that Reigns and Undertaker have, it was like watching someone beat up their dad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 9:12:26 GMT -5
I found the match heartbreaking, somewhat for the right reason but also for the wrong reasons too. That Last Ride attempt was just pitiful to look at, the whole Tombstone botch spot (regardless of whose fault it was), etc. The whole idea of it being Taker's last match doesn't really even fit the hokey "This is my yard!" storyline, much like the cheesy build to the Lesnar match didn't jibe with the shock of Lesnar ending the streak. The Lesnar build made sense but really only in hindsight. The build was basically Taker constantly sneak-attacking Lesnar and doing weird supernatural bits of screwing with him, while Heyman kept going, "Yeah, have your fun, but Brock's whooping your ass," and then sure enough, Brock shrugged off the shenanigans and beat his ass. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Apr 3, 2017 9:24:26 GMT -5
I found the match heartbreaking, somewhat for the right reason but also for the wrong reasons too. That Last Ride attempt was just pitiful to look at, the whole Tombstone botch spot (regardless of whose fault it was), etc. The whole idea of it being Taker's last match doesn't really even fit the hokey "This is my yard!" storyline, much like the cheesy build to the Lesnar match didn't jibe with the shock of Lesnar ending the streak. The Lesnar build made sense but really only in hindsight. The build was basically Taker constantly sneak-attacking Lesnar and doing weird supernatural bits of screwing with him, while Heyman kept going, "Yeah, have your fun, but Brock's whooping your ass," and then sure enough, Brock shrugged off the shenanigans and beat his ass. If only Taker remembered his ball-kicking strategy for this match |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 10:28:49 GMT -5
That f***ed up Tombstone is more on Roman than Taker. And if that had been Brock or Braun, they absolutely would have powered up from that botch and deadlifted Taker anyways. That excuse that you're suppose to use raw power would mean its Takers fault because that's not what suppose to happen when you're lifting someone heavy in wrestling. Hogan didn't use raw power to bodyslam Andre, Andre jumped at the right time. Like either guy missed his que and Strowman and Lesnar are probably in the list of top 10 possible top 5 strongest wrestlers of all time. And even then a human being is surprisingly heavy especially when they have a wide frame and are 6'10 in a weird unnatural lifting position. It would of been easier to properly deadlift 600lbs then to lift a 300lb 6 foot 10 man like that with raw power. We all saw what happened when a stronger 13 years younger Lesnar struggled to lift Hardcore Holly sandbagging or Heyman screwing up on his jump in that infamous Ryback Shellshock botch. |
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Post by mattperiolat on Apr 3, 2017 10:56:02 GMT -5
The visual of the coat & hat on the mat was what I always hoped. Like he Jedi ghosted away. But then...... When he takes the hat off, he visibly sighs. ....it's as if he just shed the Undertaker forever, and now Mark Calloway can be himself. Finally. God damn that part gets me now. #ThankYouTaker That and just before he starts undoing his gloves, he gazes around the arena... and for the first time, tears. There's a man taking one last look, not a character selling for the audience. God dammit, I'm crying again. |
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Apr 3, 2017 11:00:21 GMT -5
Recall all the bafflement at the "End of an Era" tagline that permeated Wrestlemania 28 and the HHH/'Taker HiaC and it's kinda become apparent what they actually meant all these years later. It was a great, great match that capped off four years worth of work. It turns out it was the last time we truly had that "'Taker at 'Mania" buzz. Punk and 'Taker had the best match at WM29, but it was full of shortcuts not present in other 'Taker matches and still below the standard 'Taker had established in other years. The other 'Mania entries kinda speak for themselves to my point.
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Post by The Trashman on Apr 3, 2017 13:08:53 GMT -5
I am still confused as to why they had him come out and say he was "back" before the Rumble. Diggin holes and takin souls and all that sure sounded like he wasn't about to retire.
Maybe it was just to throw everyone off or maybe he started to realize he couldn't do it anymore getting ready for the Rumble.
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Post by Johnny D on Apr 3, 2017 13:12:10 GMT -5
I guess he had to go at some point but I just wish they put him in there with someone who he would have had a bit more of an in-ring chemistry with rather than someone Vince is hell-bent on pushing as the next big "megaface". I am gutted and heartbroken it ended that way tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 13:20:51 GMT -5
I am still confused as to why they had him come out and say he was "back" before the Rumble. Diggin holes and takin souls and all that sure sounded like he wasn't about to retire. Maybe it was just to throw everyone off or maybe he started to realize he couldn't do it anymore getting ready for the Rumble. That's been the general word on things, that he was struggling hard at the Rumble. |
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Post by chazraps on Apr 3, 2017 13:41:43 GMT -5
I just realized that The Undertaker officially joins the 27 club.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 3, 2017 13:47:31 GMT -5
That tombstone botch spot was a f***ing embarrassment. Taker now not able to be anything but a sandbagger, Reigns never strong for a 'power' wrestler who barely can lift Sheamus from a kneeling position who is shorter and weighs less.
Thank f*** he has hung it up. He has done enough, and the time probably passed years ago.
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Post by Thunderbolt on Apr 3, 2017 13:49:19 GMT -5
That f***ed up Tombstone is more on Roman than Taker. And if that had been Brock or Braun, they absolutely would have powered up from that botch and deadlifted Taker anyways. That excuse that you're suppose to use raw power would mean its Takers fault because that's not what suppose to happen when you're lifting someone heavy in wrestling. Hogan didn't use raw power to bodyslam Andre, Andre jumped at the right time. Like either guy missed his que and Strowman and Lesnar are probably in the list of top 10 possible top 5 strongest wrestlers of all time. And even then a human being is surprisingly heavy especially when they have a wide frame and are 6'10 in a weird unnatural lifting position. It would of been easier to properly deadlift 600lbs then to lift a 300lb 6 foot 10 man like that with raw power. We all saw what happened when a stronger 13 years younger Lesnar struggled to lift Hardcore Holly sandbagging or Heyman screwing up on his jump in that infamous Ryback Shellshock botch. No, Roman botched the timing and he could have recovered from it with raw power. It was the biggest match of his life and Taker's last match and he didn't put any real effort into lifting Taker. I don't hate Roman anywhere near most people on here(I only started hating his push earlier this year) but that botch pissed me off. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 3, 2017 13:52:25 GMT -5
That excuse that you're suppose to use raw power would mean its Takers fault because that's not what suppose to happen when you're lifting someone heavy in wrestling. Hogan didn't use raw power to bodyslam Andre, Andre jumped at the right time. Like either guy missed his que and Strowman and Lesnar are probably in the list of top 10 possible top 5 strongest wrestlers of all time. And even then a human being is surprisingly heavy especially when they have a wide frame and are 6'10 in a weird unnatural lifting position. It would of been easier to properly deadlift 600lbs then to lift a 300lb 6 foot 10 man like that with raw power. We all saw what happened when a stronger 13 years younger Lesnar struggled to lift Hardcore Holly sandbagging or Heyman screwing up on his jump in that infamous Ryback Shellshock botch. No, Roman botched the timing and he could have recovered from it with raw power. It was the biggest match of his life and Taker's last match and he didn't put any real effort into lifting Taker. I don't hate Roman anywhere near most people on here(I only started hating his push earlier this year) but that botch pissed me off. Pretty sure Roman just isn't strong enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 14:06:54 GMT -5
No, Roman botched the timing and he could have recovered from it with raw power. It was the biggest match of his life and Taker's last match and he didn't put any real effort into lifting Taker. I don't hate Roman anywhere near most people on here(I only started hating his push earlier this year) but that botch pissed me off. Pretty sure Roman just isn't strong enough. Outside of Strowman or Mark Henry or Big Show I don't think anyone can do that lift. I even excluded Big E because I don't think he's tall enough to have that kind of leverage to recover. But yeah it's a chicken or the egg thing. Did Taker jump too soon or did Roman take to much tune to position himself |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 14:49:02 GMT -5
I am still confused as to why they had him come out and say he was "back" before the Rumble. Diggin holes and takin souls and all that sure sounded like he wasn't about to retire. Maybe it was just to throw everyone off or maybe he started to realize he couldn't do it anymore getting ready for the Rumble. His whole trajectory after the Brock loss seemed unintentionally or not to tell a story about a dead man who's not so dead after all desperately trying to save face after a life altering loss. From kicking Brock in the dick and cheating to beat him, to taking on lesser challenges at future Wrestlemanias, to suffering the inevitable fate against Roman Reigns, if Reigns didn't seal the deal someone was gonna, time was catching up to him despite his facade. It's a really sad ending to the character but I like it. From Ric Flair, to Shawn Michaels, to Undertaker, it seems like WWE now sends all their guys out to pasture on stories based on old-timers who gamble too hard with their pride and come up short. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 3, 2017 14:53:11 GMT -5
Pretty sure Roman just isn't strong enough. Outside of Strowman or Mark Henry or Big Show I don't think anyone can do that lift. I even excluded Big E because I don't think he's tall enough to have that kind of leverage to recover. But yeah it's a chicken or the egg thing. Did Taker jump too soon or did Roman take to much tune to position himself I honestly think Cesaro could do it. |
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