Reflecto
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Post by Reflecto on Apr 8, 2017 16:15:19 GMT -5
I'm a realist. I seen good things happen to bad people and good people suffer bad things. JBL gets fined, suspended, or fired. Does that make people happy? Only temporarily. If you think bullying in WWE ends with JBL gone, you're sadly mistaken. If you think bullying ends when Vince leaves, you sadly mistaken. Life isn't perfect. The hero doesn't always win. Not saying to accept things as it is. But don't think JBL is the only WWE person demoralizing his co-workers. He just the most well known one. We tend to find out later that people we hold as heroes tend to be as more flawed than we originally think. But that's the point where it isn't just them, it's everyone. Every person is flawed, there's no such thing as a hero. If one person goes, another bully will take their place. Heck, even if the WWE said "we're giving all power to the FAN board"- right on the same page of this, we've got a thread making fun of some of the women's looks, and in that thread it's got people perfectly fine with making fun of the men's looks right at the same time- so even WE, PERSONALLY, would be bullies and we have no power. There is no right answer- but as said, you can't get rid of bullying, but you can make it clear the bullies will not be tolerated and start to get rid of the worst ones, hopefully lowering it down to "not everyone in the world is going to love each other and it's unrealistic that will happen either, but you can make it between person to person.
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Post by chrom on Apr 8, 2017 16:16:02 GMT -5
I'm actually more worried to hear that HHH would take part in the hazing than JBL. JBL is expendable, HHH owns the company one day. In Brets book, Bret says that when Trips and Shawn were running the booking in 97 and they used to make The Rocks life miserable, which I guess would be classed as bullying. So yeah Trips would have done it before. Both him and Shawn saw Rock as a potential threat. The original plan they had was that Bret would win the IC title and Rock wouldn't be at WrestleMania but he refused to go along with it. No doubt thanks to them whispering in Vince's ear, after 13 and losing to Owen, Rock was relegated to jobber duty and would often already be in the ring and be without an entrance. It would not surprise me if they did that and all of the hazing to try and get him to quit.
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Post by chazraps on Apr 8, 2017 16:37:01 GMT -5
The people defending JBL on twitter are such a whole new level of scum. They're either:
1) Accusing those alleging JBL of bullying as being "the real bullies!" It's like when someone calls something blatantly out as being racist and then is met with "No, YOU'RE the real racist for thinking it's racist!"
2) People who are either trolling or outright sociopathes claiming a stolen passport "is a rib" and that this federal offense is just a "minor inconvience."
We're talking the Time Warner Cable of people here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 16:55:12 GMT -5
But it's a lot easier to take ways to punish JBL for his actions than just accept "The world is full of jerks, sometimes those jerks have some power, and when they have the power, they just plain GET TO WIN." I'm a realist. I seen good things happen to bad people and good people suffer bad things. JBL gets fined, suspended, or fired. Does that make people happy? Only temporarily. If you think bullying in WWE ends with JBL gone, you're sadly mistaken. If you think bullying ends when Vince leaves, you sadly mistaken. Life isn't perfect. The hero doesn't always win. Not saying to accept things as it is. But don't think JBL is the only WWE person demoralizing his co-workers. He just the most well known one. We tend to find out later that people we hold as heroes tend to be as more flawed than we originally think. Getting rid of JBL has nothing to do with solving the entire issue of bullying. That's like saying firing a pedophile teacher won't accomplish anything because it will still exist. Of course it will. But getting rid of one (and humiliating them no less) would still be a step in the right direction. Sacking JBL would definitely be a positive step, even if there are 100 more bullies employed by the company (and there just might be).
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 8, 2017 17:07:33 GMT -5
I'm a realist. I seen good things happen to bad people and good people suffer bad things. JBL gets fined, suspended, or fired. Does that make people happy? Only temporarily. If you think bullying in WWE ends with JBL gone, you're sadly mistaken. If you think bullying ends when Vince leaves, you sadly mistaken. Life isn't perfect. The hero doesn't always win. Not saying to accept things as it is. But don't think JBL is the only WWE person demoralizing his co-workers. He just the most well known one. We tend to find out later that people we hold as heroes tend to be as more flawed than we originally think. Getting rid of JBL has nothing to do with solving the entire issue of bullying. That's like saying firing a pedophile teacher won't accomplish anything because it will still exist. Of course it will. But getting rid of one (and humiliating them no less) would still be a step in the right direction. Sacking JBL would definitely be a positive step, even if there are 100 more bullies employed by the company (and there just might be). Kinda of an extreme example there. Personally, I'm not taking any side in this subject. Because things I heard and read about all those involved makes no one look good.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Apr 8, 2017 17:33:27 GMT -5
You know what the "fire JBL" campaign needs? An ex-developmental guy who didn't make it past Velocity job boy. That always works!
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Post by alred1982 on Apr 8, 2017 18:12:57 GMT -5
"Tough guy". He's a paper tiger who only punches down on people he knows can't or won't punch back. it's worth noting that you never hear stories about him kicking someone's ass or picking on them when they're as big as or bigger than him. Wasn't he nothing but polite to brock when he was called up sure I read that a while ago.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 8, 2017 18:26:33 GMT -5
it's worth noting that you never hear stories about him kicking someone's ass or picking on them when they're as big as or bigger than him. Wasn't he nothing but polite to brock when he was called up sure I read that a while ago. According to Ivory, he all but offered to carry Brock's bags, kissing his backside from the day he stepped foot on the main roster because he knew he'd get his backside handed to him and it was good for him in the eyes of management. No hazing, just bound lips to anus like a cowboy hatted human centipede.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Apr 8, 2017 18:37:51 GMT -5
If fired, JBL could easily get a job at Comcast customer service.
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Post by y4j1981 on Apr 8, 2017 18:42:27 GMT -5
Recorded before all the news, just seems like a cool guy
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 8, 2017 19:12:13 GMT -5
Wasn't he nothing but polite to brock when he was called up sure I read that a while ago. According to Ivory, he all but offered to carry Brock's bags, kissing his backside from the day he stepped foot on the main roster because he knew he'd get his backside handed to him and it was good for him in the eyes of management. No hazing, just bound lips to anus like a cowboy hatted human centipede. I pity any poor bastard who would've been dumb enough to try to haze Brock back in the day.
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Post by Lazy peon on Apr 8, 2017 19:48:03 GMT -5
Cena was right. Cena was right all along. But we didn't listen! {Spoiler}
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Apr 8, 2017 20:53:15 GMT -5
According to Ivory, he all but offered to carry Brock's bags, kissing his backside from the day he stepped foot on the main roster because he knew he'd get his backside handed to him and it was good for him in the eyes of management. No hazing, just bound lips to anus like a cowboy hatted human centipede. I pity any poor bastard who would've been dumb enough to try to haze Brock back in the day. Didn't Mr. Perfect try to on the "Plane Ride from Hell"?
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Post by Stu on Apr 8, 2017 20:56:02 GMT -5
I pity any poor bastard who would've been dumb enough to try to haze Brock back in the day. Didn't Mr. Perfect try to on the "Plane Ride from Hell"? He challenged Brock to see who was the better wrestler. It was more about competition than a joke.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Apr 8, 2017 22:01:14 GMT -5
I was bullied dreadfully throughout school, it's the origin point of an awful lot of my mental health issues, and more besides that I won't go into. So I can't say what I really think about JBL without breaking the board rules. Suffice to say, I hope that the Ranallo stuff gets him fired, for starters. Sure him getting fired won't do much in the bigger picture, but every little f***ing helps. And from my experience of bullies, while a good hard smack to the face won't end it entirely, it makes them ease up at least physically. As for JBL as a performer, his WWE title run was what first made me lapse in watching wrestling, so, yeah. Can't say I ever enjoyed him. On the bright side, my man William Regal once again proving to be a top bloke, and interesting that Dreamer sorted people out. I'm honestly just shocked and impressed that Regal, who based on his history should have the toxicest, old-schoolest mentality of them all, not sinking down to that. Having read his autobiography, he was brought up on the English holiday camp circuit which was very different in culture to the American territory days. No ribbing, no frat hazing, just some stiffing & stretching in the ring. Take it like a man and show you can dish it back out, and all is good & everyone becomes tight. Weirdly similar to my experiences in some martial arts camps.
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Post by madness50 on Apr 9, 2017 1:02:38 GMT -5
In Brets book, Bret says that when Trips and Shawn were running the booking in 97 and they used to make The Rocks life miserable, which I guess would be classed as bullying. So yeah Trips would have done it before. Oh yeah, DX wanted to bury The Rock as fast as they could. Why Rock was paired with the Nation and rode with Owen, try and give him just a bit of breathing room. It does raise a good question - not how is JBL getting away with this, but wHHHo is letting this go on? Boy how things have changed since 1997. WWE falls all over themselves to kiss The Rock's ass. I know that it probably eats at Triple H to this day that Rock became a mega star.
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Post by mattperiolat on Apr 9, 2017 3:30:18 GMT -5
Oh yeah, DX wanted to bury The Rock as fast as they could. Why Rock was paired with the Nation and rode with Owen, try and give him just a bit of breathing room. It does raise a good question - not how is JBL getting away with this, but wHHHo is letting this go on? Boy how things have changed since 1997. WWE falls all over themselves to kiss The Rock's ass. I know that it probably eats at Triple H to this day that Rock became a mega star. Of course. Aytch wanted to be the guy. Austin, Foley, even Taker, he could handle in time. Rock was different. Rock had the skills both in ring and on mic to be the guy, plus Vince and Patterson loved him. Aytch must have been doing backflips when Rock left after Mania XX, finally left him with a clear playing field, especially after he married Stephanie and Shane left. Then again, being honest, I have never liked Aytch. He is the kind who will smile to your face while sliding the knife between your ribs.
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Post by mauled on Apr 9, 2017 3:53:30 GMT -5
Boy how things have changed since 1997. WWE falls all over themselves to kiss The Rock's ass. I know that it probably eats at Triple H to this day that Rock became a mega star. Of course. Aytch wanted to be the guy. Austin, Foley, even Taker, he could handle in time. Rock was different. Rock had the skills both in ring and on mic to be the guy, plus Vince and Patterson loved him. Aytch must have been doing backflips when Rock left after Mania XX, finally left him with a clear playing field, especially after he married Stephanie and Shane left. Then again, being honest, I have never liked Aytch. He is the kind who will smile to your face while sliding the knife between your ribs. Austin had a broken neck so his career was limited at best due to injuries. He'd come back then he'd be gone a few months later. Then after taking his ball and going home, I bet Trips got on his knees thanked God for that. Foley was more a semi main event guy. He was the guy people beat on there way to being the Top guy. So he was never really a threat. Taker considering how the character was, he was never going to be a threat either. Plus after the brand split, he was always on the other show to Trips. Shawn came back and he was his buddy so he's not a threat. The ones that were i.e. Jehrico/Booker/RVD etc they were a threat and so were buried
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Apr 9, 2017 4:53:31 GMT -5
Didn't Mr. Perfect try to on the "Plane Ride from Hell"? He challenged Brock to see who was the better wrestler. It was more about competition than a joke. And they were good friends, so Brock wasn't going to f*** him up.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 11, 2017 8:58:09 GMT -5
...I am most interested in Tommy Dreamer having some sort of 'fixer' rep backstage.
Can we get some elaboration on that? Dreamer is one of my favourites anyway for reasons that are occasionally beyond even my own comprehension so it would be nice to know that he's cool behind the scenes.
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