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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 8, 2017 4:05:24 GMT -5
People who are wishing bodily harm to JBL for his bullying: You do understand that trying to solve violence with violence only continues the violence. A bully doesn't learn their lesson from getting a beating. That's Hollywood bullshit. They either seek out a new target to torment or ratchet up the violence to the point a life is ended over stupid shit. I had friends and classmates get killed because of fights escalating to the point of no return. A simple scuffle leading to the grave. Be angry about JBL all you want. But wishing harm on someone doesn't stop the pain. Just causes new ones.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Apr 8, 2017 4:09:40 GMT -5
Wrestler's Court was more about backstage discipline and clearing the air. A little embarrassment, free beer and hopefully a chance to move on. Not trying to excuse if Taker did anything wrong, but he was not a sadistic ass the way JBL was and is, just old school. By the way, as an aside, am I the only stunned that the gif of JBL goose stepping in Germany hasn't popped up in this thread yet? Son of a bitch should burn in hell for that bull alone. Nah, that "backstage discipline" stuff is BS. It was petty bullshit like "This young guy got a better seat on a plane than this veteran, PUNISH HIM!" nonsense. Maybe not active bullying, but certainly still in the realm of silly frat-boy bullshit. bored drunk insecure (remember the "dude doing fake fighting in his underwear" posts!) guys with stone-age frat mentality would do this, yes
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Apr 8, 2017 4:11:41 GMT -5
People who are wishing bodily harm to JBL for his bullying: You do understand that trying to solve violence with violence only continues the violence. A bully doesn't learn their lesson from getting a beating. That's Hollywood bullshit. They either seek out a new target to torment or ratchet up the violence to the point a life is ended over stupid shit. I had friends and classmates get killed because of fights escalating to the point of no return. A simple scuffle leading to the grave. Be angry about JBL all you want. But wishing harm on someone doesn't stop the pain. Just causes new ones. agreed Need to hit him in his pockets, that will hurt him the most. Then at some point rehash the JBL/HBK storyline from 2009 (?), this time JBL taking the role of poor Shawn
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 8, 2017 4:37:53 GMT -5
People who are wishing bodily harm to JBL for his bullying: You do understand that trying to solve violence with violence only continues the violence. A bully doesn't learn their lesson from getting a beating. That's Hollywood bullshit. They either seek out a new target to torment or ratchet up the violence to the point a life is ended over stupid shit. I had friends and classmates get killed because of fights escalating to the point of no return. A simple scuffle leading to the grave. Be angry about JBL all you want. But wishing harm on someone doesn't stop the pain. Just causes new ones. agreed Need to hit him in his pockets, that will hurt him the most. Then at some point rehash the JBL/HBK storyline from 2009 (?), this time JBL taking the role of poor Shawn But JBL won't care as much as some would want him to because he got his cushy Fox News gig to fall back on. He could quit/get fired and go full time once more with them. And return back in a couple of years with those calling for his head now remembering him fondly like before. All this JBL talk is Groundhog's Day. Except less people are using the Joey Styles story as a takedown because it was a sucker punch by Joey who was protected from Layfield retaliating and Styles getting exposed a piece of shit himself.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Apr 8, 2017 4:41:37 GMT -5
Just get rid of him. He brings nothing but negatives, at the desk and clearly backstage too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 5:04:55 GMT -5
Bear with me on this, but isn't it kind of baffling that JBL seems to genuinely admire The Undertaker, and hold him in the greatest esteem? I don't understand how JBL could truly idolize The Undertaker, but then betray every one of the man's principles and "true leadership" traits? Just seems like a sociopathic or sadistic or something - the man knows better. For what it's worth, 'Taker's not exactly an angel either. While not his idea, that wrestler's court bullshit which was often little more than an excuse for the veterans to push the new guys around was something he ran in cahoots with JBL for years. That's a good point.
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Post by auph10imitated on Apr 8, 2017 5:16:19 GMT -5
It is so sad to hear that adults behave in this manner. Banter is one thing, when the person can reciprocate. Thats all in good fun, but actual bulling is disgusting on any level whatsoever.
Its nice to hear about some of the good guys like Regal, Dreamer and Jericho.
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Post by mattperiolat on Apr 8, 2017 7:18:47 GMT -5
Wrestler's Court was more about backstage discipline and clearing the air. A little embarrassment, free beer and hopefully a chance to move on. Not trying to excuse if Taker did anything wrong, but he was not a sadistic ass the way JBL was and is, just old school. By the way, as an aside, am I the only stunned that the gif of JBL goose stepping in Germany hasn't popped up in this thread yet? Son of a bitch should burn in hell for that bull alone. Nah, that "backstage discipline" stuff is BS. It was petty bullshit like "This young guy got a better seat on a plane than this veteran, PUNISH HIM!" nonsense. Maybe not active bullying, but certainly still in the realm of silly frat-boy bullshit. I think there is about a mile of difference between Wrestler's Court and the crap JBL was pulling. I'll concede it's petty and silly on Wrestler's Court as long as we can agree that whatever JBL has been up to is worse.
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Post by salsorino on Apr 8, 2017 10:38:09 GMT -5
For what it's worth, 'Taker's not exactly an angel either. While not his idea, that wrestler's court bullshit which was often little more than an excuse for the veterans to push the new guys around was something he ran in cahoots with JBL for years. That's a good point. Undertaker and JBL are friends because they are good ol Texas boys who like the same music, beer, JD and have a long history in the company. Also because JBL is an ass-kisser and Undertaker treats everyone with respect. While JBL can be shit to people he doesn't like or respect, but also the greatest friend and a wonderful person to those he does. He's a man of extremes unfortunately. Wrestlers Court wasn't started in the WWF/WWE. It's a long-standing tradition from the territory days. All stories I've read of Taker as judge or involved seem to be recounted with humor and fun and I haven't heard anything of him harming or degrading people. Another interesting thing I noticed. While I know JBL heralds Undertaker, he's practically his hero, and hates Justin Roberts recently tweeting he was an "idiot" Undertaker's wife Michelle McCool tweeted last week about Justin Roberts' book and told everyone to go read it. She referred to Roberts as "their buddy" and said the book was great and she's proud of him. I thought that was telling. Shows the relationship and alliances between Undertaker and JBL are probably shallow and superficial at best.
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Post by mauled on Apr 8, 2017 11:46:10 GMT -5
Undertaker and JBL are friends because they are good ol Texas boys who like the same music, beer, JD and have a long history in the company. Also because JBL is an ass-kisser and Undertaker treats everyone with respect. While JBL can be shit to people he doesn't like or respect, but also the greatest friend and a wonderful person to those he does. He's a man of extremes unfortunately. Wrestlers Court wasn't started in the WWF/WWE. It's a long-standing tradition from the territory days. All stories I've read of Taker as judge or involved seem to be recounted with humor and fun and I haven't heard anything of him harming or degrading people. Another interesting thing I noticed. While I know JBL heralds Undertaker, he's practically his hero, and hates Justin Roberts recently tweeting he was an "idiot" Undertaker's wife Michelle McCool tweeted last week about Justin Roberts' book and told everyone to go read it. She referred to Roberts as "their buddy" and said the book was great and she's proud of him. I thought that was telling. Shows the relationship and alliances between Undertaker and JBL are probably shallow and superficial at best. That's called sucking up She may not have read the book and just recommended it anyway or they could be friends with both of them
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Post by salsorino on Apr 8, 2017 11:49:19 GMT -5
Undertaker and JBL are friends because they are good ol Texas boys who like the same music, beer, JD and have a long history in the company. Also because JBL is an ass-kisser and Undertaker treats everyone with respect. While JBL can be shit to people he doesn't like or respect, but also the greatest friend and a wonderful person to those he does. He's a man of extremes unfortunately. Wrestlers Court wasn't started in the WWF/WWE. It's a long-standing tradition from the territory days. All stories I've read of Taker as judge or involved seem to be recounted with humor and fun and I haven't heard anything of him harming or degrading people. Another interesting thing I noticed. While I know JBL heralds Undertaker, he's practically his hero, and hates Justin Roberts recently tweeting he was an "idiot" Undertaker's wife Michelle McCool tweeted last week about Justin Roberts' book and told everyone to go read it. She referred to Roberts as "their buddy" and said the book was great and she's proud of him. I thought that was telling. Shows the relationship and alliances between Undertaker and JBL are probably shallow and superficial at best. That's called sucking up She may not have read the book and just recommended it anyway or they could be friends with both of them Why would Michelle want to suck up to Justin Roberts....? Justin said only good things about Undertaker in his book, and posted a nice tribute to him after WM on Instagram. He doesn't include Taker in any of the crap he went through and seems to have great respect for him. I think they're friends with both but mostly Taker just stays above the crap.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 8, 2017 11:55:15 GMT -5
Sacking JBL would improve the on-screen product too. It'd be nice to watch a wrestling match without hearing him yelling some horseshit at the top of his lungs.
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Post by mauled on Apr 8, 2017 11:57:01 GMT -5
That's called sucking up She may not have read the book and just recommended it anyway or they could be friends with both of them Why would Michelle want to suck up to Justin Roberts....? Justin said only good things about Undertaker in his book, and posted a nice tribute to him after WM on Instagram. He doesn't include Taker in any of the crap he went through and seems to have great respect for him. I think they're friends with both but mostly Taker just stays above the crap. No no for the sucking up I meant JBL. That's why I'd highlighted the other paragraph
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Post by salsorino on Apr 8, 2017 12:00:43 GMT -5
Why would Michelle want to suck up to Justin Roberts....? Justin said only good things about Undertaker in his book, and posted a nice tribute to him after WM on Instagram. He doesn't include Taker in any of the crap he went through and seems to have great respect for him. I think they're friends with both but mostly Taker just stays above the crap. No no for the sucking up I meant JBL. That's why I'd highlighted the other paragraph Ah, sorry missed that. Got ya.
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Post by Reflecto on Apr 8, 2017 15:19:43 GMT -5
agreed Need to hit him in his pockets, that will hurt him the most. Then at some point rehash the JBL/HBK storyline from 2009 (?), this time JBL taking the role of poor Shawn But JBL won't care as much as some would want him to because he got his cushy Fox News gig to fall back on. He could quit/get fired and go full time once more with them. And return back in a couple of years with those calling for his head now remembering him fondly like before. All this JBL talk is Groundhog's Day. Except less people are using the Joey Styles story as a takedown because it was a sucker punch by Joey who was protected from Layfield retaliating and Styles getting exposed a piece of shit himself. But it's a lot easier to take ways to punish JBL for his actions than just accept "The world is full of jerks, sometimes those jerks have some power, and when they have the power, they just plain GET TO WIN."
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 8, 2017 15:41:25 GMT -5
But JBL won't care as much as some would want him to because he got his cushy Fox News gig to fall back on. He could quit/get fired and go full time once more with them. And return back in a couple of years with those calling for his head now remembering him fondly like before. All this JBL talk is Groundhog's Day. Except less people are using the Joey Styles story as a takedown because it was a sucker punch by Joey who was protected from Layfield retaliating and Styles getting exposed a piece of shit himself. But it's a lot easier to take ways to punish JBL for his actions than just accept "The world is full of jerks, sometimes those jerks have some power, and when they have the power, they just plain GET TO WIN." I'm a realist. I seen good things happen to bad people and good people suffer bad things. JBL gets fined, suspended, or fired. Does that make people happy? Only temporarily. If you think bullying in WWE ends with JBL gone, you're sadly mistaken. If you think bullying ends when Vince leaves, you sadly mistaken. Life isn't perfect. The hero doesn't always win. Not saying to accept things as it is. But don't think JBL is the only WWE person demoralizing his co-workers. He just the most well known one. We tend to find out later that people we hold as heroes tend to be as more flawed than we originally think.
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 8, 2017 15:44:30 GMT -5
I'm actually more worried to hear that HHH would take part in the hazing than JBL. JBL is expendable, HHH owns the company one day.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 8, 2017 15:46:34 GMT -5
Firing JBL may not get rid of bullying in WWE, but it WILL get rid of JBL, and that's a good start.
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Post by mauled on Apr 8, 2017 15:48:37 GMT -5
I'm actually more worried to hear that HHH would take part in the hazing than JBL. JBL is expendable, HHH owns the company one day. In Brets book, Bret says that when Trips and Shawn were running the booking in 97 and they used to make The Rocks life miserable, which I guess would be classed as bullying. So yeah Trips would have done it before.
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Post by mattperiolat on Apr 8, 2017 16:14:46 GMT -5
I'm actually more worried to hear that HHH would take part in the hazing than JBL. JBL is expendable, HHH owns the company one day. In Brets book, Bret says that when Trips and Shawn were running the booking in 97 and they used to make The Rocks life miserable, which I guess would be classed as bullying. So yeah Trips would have done it before. Oh yeah, DX wanted to bury The Rock as fast as they could. Why Rock was paired with the Nation and rode with Owen, try and give him just a bit of breathing room. It does raise a good question - not how is JBL getting away with this, but wHHHo is letting this go on?
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