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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 19:02:56 GMT -5
All I know is that as a super casual viewer these days I laughed my ass off when I saw him with the belt.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 19:03:09 GMT -5
I'm just going to wait until the end of Q3 reporting so 5-6 months from now to see if WWE's ploy to reach an Indian audience is a success as Meltzer said.
Also as a guy who is skeptical of the title reign and think he might be on PED's I'm getting sick and tired of the steroid claims. And I think there might be a surprising amount of guys on PED's With the most surprising guys.
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Post by MAGGLE on May 27, 2017 19:19:12 GMT -5
I think this is the first time someone ever complained about Jinder around here
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Post by Chiral on May 27, 2017 19:23:47 GMT -5
Yeah I still hate it. It's beyond stupid.
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Post by Error on May 27, 2017 19:26:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 19:32:17 GMT -5
Well, if Jinder is a steroid junkie then that makes the man he took the belt from, who has two wellness suspensions on his record, including one for anabolic steroids, one too.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on May 27, 2017 19:36:13 GMT -5
This is not meant to hinder Jinder, but I thought it was at least worth mentioning. florida.arrests.org/Arrests/Christopher_Cavallini_22249198/Christopher Cavallini was arrested for selling anabolic steroids. Who is this? He's Jinder Mahal's personal trainer and the man Jinder credited on Jericho's podcast for getting him in shape and improving his physique. I want so badly for him to be clean and just a freak of nature when "motivated." This makes it very hard to believe that...
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on May 27, 2017 19:38:22 GMT -5
Well, if Jinder is a steroid junkie then that makes the man he took the belt from, who has two wellness suspensions on his record, including one for anabolic steroids, one too. I'm not going to go on about if he's on something or not seeing as I go nuts for someone who has a Wellness violation on his record. But there is still no good reason to have Jinder as champ, India intentions aside, when you have a half a roster on SD that is so much better. And I still can't believe that they sacrificed Bray's title reign for this.
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Post by Chiral on May 27, 2017 19:46:36 GMT -5
Well, if Jinder is a steroid junkie then that makes the man he took the belt from, who has two wellness suspensions on his record, including one for anabolic steroids, one too. I'm not going to go on about if he's on something or not seeing as I go nuts for someone who has a Wellness violation on his record. But there is still no good reason to have Jinder as champ, India intentions aside, when you have a half a roster on SD that is so much better. And I still can't believe that they sacrificed Bray's title reign for this. Definitely. You have a roster with crazy talent and Jinder is the one you want as champion when he's still cutting Smackdown vs. Raw 04 level voice acting promos? And it's insane that Bray finally got built up, and then tossed to the side right before Jinder's win. It's so erratic story wise.
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Post by Lazy peon on May 27, 2017 20:56:41 GMT -5
He's a jacked Indian boy, deal with it.
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Post by bmfjules on May 27, 2017 22:21:30 GMT -5
Jinder Mahal's rug... it really, uh, ties the room together.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 0:07:49 GMT -5
This is not meant to hinder Jinder, but I thought it was at least worth mentioning. florida.arrests.org/Arrests/Christopher_Cavallini_22249198/Christopher Cavallini was arrested for selling anabolic steroids. Who is this? He's Jinder Mahal's personal trainer and the man Jinder credited on Jericho's podcast for getting him in shape and improving his physique. Personal trainers selling steroids is as common as a doctor who over prescribes addictive counter top drugs. Even the celebrity ones. The owner of one Edmontons local powerlifting gym was arrested for selling steroids. Like don't get me wrong I've stated I believe he's probably on something but this is like the biggest cliche. Trainer who makes inconsistent pay from a commission only life style sells steroids to get by.
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Post by Yacht Persona on May 28, 2017 1:53:04 GMT -5
I just don't get wrestling fans sometimes. We cry and cry for certain guys to get chances at the top of the card, in the main event, competing for and winning championships. We know there are a lot of guys that have busted their humps for years and years, putting on classic matches on a nightly basis, guys we know are deserving of time in the spotlight. Guys like Cesaro, Rusev, Zayn, Wyatt, etc. Yet when a job guy who's been away from WWE for years, who's brought in as a lackey, is catapulted to the most prestigious title in Wrestling, wrestling fans are not only embracing this, but they want it. This is literally like Barry Horowitz or The Brooklyn Brawler becoming WWE Champion. It's not even for a good reason unless you subscribe to the idea that champions are only meant to appeal to a certain ethnicity.
If I were Cesaro I would be furious. For years and years we've been spoon-fed this garbage about how Cesaro is "too Swiss" or isn't a good enough promo guy to be champion. Well now WWE can rightly shut the **** up about a bad promo guy being champion. Vince and his cronies are completely full of shit and only lie to fans about what they really think.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 28, 2017 2:12:38 GMT -5
I just don't get wrestling fans sometimes. We cry and cry for certain guys to get chances at the top of the card, in the main event, competing for and winning championships. We know there are a lot of guys that have busted their humps for years and years, putting on classic matches on a nightly basis, guys we know are deserving of time in the spotlight. Guys like Cesaro, Rusev, Zayn, Wyatt, etc. Yet when a job guy who's been away from WWE for years, who's brought in as a lackey, is catapulted to the most prestigious title in Wrestling, wrestling fans are not only embracing this, but they want it. This is literally like Barry Horowitz or The Brooklyn Brawler becoming WWE Champion. It's not even for a good reason unless you subscribe to the idea that champions are only meant to appeal to a certain ethnicity. If I were Cesaro I would be furious. For years and years we've been spoon-fed this garbage about how Cesaro is "too Swiss" or isn't a good enough promo guy to be champion. Well now WWE can rightly shut the **** up about a bad promo guy being champion. Vince and his cronies are completely full of shit and only lie to fans about what they really think. Yes, there some fans that just want to watch the world burn, that happens in any fanbase. But speaking for myself, I just can't find myself being angry at this in any way because I'm not someone that believes that if someone isn't THE top main event guy in the whole company with a world title and being the absolute be-all and end-all of the company, they may as well not bother showing up. Cesaro has gotten a decent enough push over the last year in the midcard, ending up in a very enjoyable tag team with Sheamus. Yes, he deserves better, but let's not pretend he's some poor hard-done-by jobber just because he got leapfrogged by someone who actually WAS. It seriously seems like sometimes that people don't want to TRY to care about anything that isn't the main event, I swear...
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 28, 2017 3:50:43 GMT -5
I just don't get wrestling fans sometimes. We cry and cry for certain guys to get chances at the top of the card, in the main event, competing for and winning championships. We know there are a lot of guys that have busted their humps for years and years, putting on classic matches on a nightly basis, guys we know are deserving of time in the spotlight. Guys like Cesaro, Rusev, Zayn, Wyatt, etc. Yet when a job guy who's been away from WWE for years, who's brought in as a lackey, is catapulted to the most prestigious title in Wrestling, wrestling fans are not only embracing this, but they want it. This is literally like Barry Horowitz or The Brooklyn Brawler becoming WWE Champion. It's not even for a good reason unless you subscribe to the idea that champions are only meant to appeal to a certain ethnicity. If I were Cesaro I would be furious. For years and years we've been spoon-fed this garbage about how Cesaro is "too Swiss" or isn't a good enough promo guy to be champion. Well now WWE can rightly shut the **** up about a bad promo guy being champion. Vince and his cronies are completely full of shit and only lie to fans about what they really think. Yes, there some fans that just want to watch the world burn, that happens in any fanbase. But speaking for myself, I just can't find myself being angry at this in any way because I'm not someone that believes that if someone isn't THE top main event guy in the whole company with a world title and being the absolute be-all and end-all of the company, they may as well not bother showing up. Cesaro has gotten a decent enough push over the last year in the midcard, ending up in a very enjoyable tag team with Sheamus. Yes, he deserves better, but let's not pretend he's some poor hard-done-by jobber just because he got leapfrogged by someone who actually WAS. It seriously seems like sometimes that people don't want to TRY to care about anything that isn't the main event, I swear... I'm with both of you at this point to varying degrees. I was never angry about Mahal winning, I just wanted that story of him getting to the top by diabolical means and the fact he didn't get a proper one (no, being involved in a number one contenders match for no reason and then cheating to win isn't a story, especially for only a month) and it was decided literally on the day (as most important decisions are, well done there) just makes me think this is either going to somehow work or go really badly and Mahal's going to get unfairly blamed for it. But it makes me wonder what the fans have to do to get someone noticed because, well, we only seem to have some kind of control over that to an extent. At the end of the day, like most companies, WWE appeals to shareholders first and those shareholders presumably saw this new market, got dollar signs in their eyes and pestered WWE to give it a shot. I have no problem with that in a sense but it just takes you away from the show because most of the decisions are made to make a quick buck instead of making money and telling decent stories. But, as EoE says, there aren't people doing too badly up and down the roster. Most of the talents people like are in prominent places on the card. It's just that the writing team seems to, most of the time, have no idea what to do with them and what "generic Attitude Era character" box to put them into. And if they can't do that, they don't give them much and people rant that they don't have one and lose interest when, really, this stuff cannot possibly be their fault anymore with how controlled up top the show is.
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Post by ________ has left the building on May 28, 2017 4:50:39 GMT -5
I wanted chaos theory for it to ruin all of the constantly spoken narratives by actually doing everything that people wanted to see done except giving them a Net fave in that spot. Which Mahal winning has shown that those beliefs hold as much water as a paper plate. We want them to stick to the tropes we been calling boring and predictable. If Mahal went on a Roman Reigns type streak, would his title win been accepted. Hell no. Because it would be the same outcry except substitute "jobber" with "forced down our throats".
I also wanted Jinder to win because it shows that WWE is finally comfortable enough to take big risks on elevating talent. I'm not talking about people like Cesaro, who won everything in WWE except a world title. Which are considered devalued by most unless someone they like are holding it. People who don't cause drama, consistently perform their job good, and just need a real shot. People call this Barry Horowitz winning the gold except people don't realize that jobbers were more talented and respected than half of the people they put over. If Barry was on the juice like a majority of those during the 80's, he would had moved from that position. Also Horowitz had a longer career than most know about and won titles during territory days.
Also someone winning a world title out of nowhere in WWE is not unprecedented. Stan Stasiak, Ivan Koloff, and even Vince McMahon himself pulled giant upsets. When those victories happened, no one gave them a chance in hell. Koloff's win was famous because the whole MSG crowd sat in stunned silence after Bruno was pinned clean. This Jinder win may last longer than those. May not. People almost totally forgot that Bray Wyatt is a former WWE world champion. Shows how much impact his reign made. I'm pulling for the Jinder experiment to work because it truly open things up.
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Post by Abdullah on May 28, 2017 8:56:42 GMT -5
Can he stop cutting anti-US promos and speaking in a foreign language?
Because I don't care if you're Jinder Mahal or Kevin Owens, there's absolutely nothing interesting or worthwhile to see there.
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Post by Rabbito Garcia on May 28, 2017 9:23:41 GMT -5
Can he stop cutting anti-US promos and speaking in a foreign language? Because I don't care if you're Jinder Mahal or Kevin Owens, there's absolutely nothing interesting or worthwhile to see there. That would be great if he could. But that's not his decision to make (I'm certain he'd rather not) and doesn't make the man (as opposed to the character) any less deserving.
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Post by Baby, it’s Jes outside on May 28, 2017 10:21:54 GMT -5
He's a jacked Indian boy, deal with it. "Canadian-Indian"
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Post by Abdullah on May 28, 2017 11:36:48 GMT -5
Can he stop cutting anti-US promos and speaking in a foreign language? Because I don't care if you're Jinder Mahal or Kevin Owens, there's absolutely nothing interesting or worthwhile to see there. That would be great if he could. But that's not his decision to make (I'm certain he'd rather not) and doesn't make the man (as opposed to the character) any less deserving. I don't know how deserving he is but I was referring to Smackdown's writers as they have two people playing somewhat different variations of a boring gimmick. Most people that supported his win came back with 'it's something different.' There was nothing new or different about the content of Jinder's promo last Tuesday. He's champion now. Move on, please.
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