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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on May 8, 2017 20:18:54 GMT -5
Why does he have to get held to this boy scout level of babyface standards and morals? Because that's what makes a face a face. It's why you don't see Batman kill the Joker. Or why Spider-Man never went and knee-capped Norman Osborn during one of his bouts with amnesia. It'd be different if the company had plans to book Roman as a tweener or something like that, but they won't. They'll just say "Even though Roman did the same brutal things we lambasted Strowman for, it's okay, because HE'S the good guy!" Yeah but what about the Punisher?
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Post by Hobby Drifter on May 8, 2017 20:37:59 GMT -5
Because that's what makes a face a face. It's why you don't see Batman kill the Joker. Or why Spider-Man never went and knee-capped Norman Osborn during one of his bouts with amnesia. It'd be different if the company had plans to book Roman as a tweener or something like that, but they won't. They'll just say "Even though Roman did the same brutal things we lambasted Strowman for, it's okay, because HE'S the good guy!" Yeah but what about the Punisher? Anti-hero. Much like Deadpool. And that'd be fine, if WWE had that role in mind for Roman. But it doesn't appear that they do.
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Post by Rabbito Garcia on May 8, 2017 21:25:03 GMT -5
Yeah but what about the Punisher? Anti-hero. Much like Deadpool. And that'd be fine, if WWE had that role in mind for Roman. But it doesn't appear that they do. Punisher is like the proto-tweener
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 21:35:11 GMT -5
Why does he have to get held to this boy scout level of babyface standards and morals? Because that's what makes a face a face. It's why you don't see Batman kill the Joker. Or why Spider-Man never went and knee-capped Norman Osborn during one of his bouts with amnesia. It'd be different if the company had plans to book Roman as a tweener or something like that, but they won't. They'll just say "Even though Roman did the same brutal things we lambasted Strowman for, it's okay, because HE'S the good guy!" Exactly! The hero and his refusal to give into temptation and take the low road is a key part of storytelling. I mean, we have seen examples of people destroying those who did wrong & revealed that they themselves were no better (although the justification aspect is commonplace because most people want BLOOD!). If you want Roman to be liked, one of the things to do is show him not cheap shot his evil opponent. Virtue triumphs over vice in the end. And the idea of double standards is what frustrates me about wrestling. I remember Ventura yelling at Monsoon & saying that if Steamboat did something dastardly, he'd get the "turnabout is fair play" excuse but if Rick Rude did the same thing, it's "a miscarriage of Justice".
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 21:36:54 GMT -5
Because that's what makes a face a face. It's why you don't see Batman kill the Joker. Or why Spider-Man never went and knee-capped Norman Osborn during one of his bouts with amnesia. It'd be different if the company had plans to book Roman as a tweener or something like that, but they won't. They'll just say "Even though Roman did the same brutal things we lambasted Strowman for, it's okay, because HE'S the good guy!" Yeah but what about the Punisher? I personally dislike those types of characters who mercilessly kill all their enemies in a bloodbath, and is kind of why Punisher seems so outdated these days. Besides, I believe breaking their spirit is more important.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on May 8, 2017 21:54:39 GMT -5
Yeah but what about the Punisher? I personally dislike those types of characters who mercilessly kill all their enemies in a bloodbath, and is kind of why Punisher seems so outdated these days. Besides, I believe breaking their spirit is more important. Agreed. The "moral" of the story should be that the face won in the end without cheating. It shows that, even against somebody who'll take every available short cut, the good guy was superior.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 21:55:54 GMT -5
Personally I don't see any issue with Roman attacking Strowman. It'd be worse if he didn't, dude threw him off a ledge and then flipped an ambulance on him.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 8, 2017 22:00:17 GMT -5
I personally dislike those types of characters who mercilessly kill all their enemies in a bloodbath, and is kind of why Punisher seems so outdated these days. Besides, I believe breaking their spirit is more important. Agreed. The "moral" of the story should be that the face won in the end without cheating. It shows that, even against somebody who'll take every available short cut, the good guy was superior. Reigns already did that though, at Fastlane. Nobody was praising them on the moral story being told right.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 8, 2017 22:24:13 GMT -5
Why does he have to get held to this boy scout level of babyface standards and morals? Because that's what makes a face a face. It's why you don't see Batman kill the Joker. Or why Spider-Man never went and knee-capped Norman Osborn during one of his bouts with amnesia. It'd be different if the company had plans to book Roman as a tweener or something like that, but they won't. They'll just say "Even though Roman did the same brutal things we lambasted Strowman for, it's okay, because HE'S the good guy!" WWE has always booked top faces like this sans Bret Hart. Hogan yanking Sid out of the Rumble after a fair elimination was a dick move, but somehow Hogan was the hero. The Rock bullied announcers. Austin Stunned a woman because she didn't like beer. Cena, oh man. Where to begin?
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Post by hargh on May 8, 2017 22:40:23 GMT -5
.......Braun. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png)
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Post by RI Richmark on May 9, 2017 6:53:43 GMT -5
You have injured Braun destroy somebody so horribly that the GM has no choice but to suspend him. Given all that Braun has done already what would he have to do to get suspended? Make fun of Roman Reigns' mother?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 9, 2017 7:11:23 GMT -5
I think my problem is less that Roman attacked Braun, because hey, he should eventually, it was more how quick it was and where it fit in the story.
Roman already dodged another attack from Braun and decked him with the ambulance door after apparently being beaten enough that he was spitting blood on the floor. Then two weeks later, he's back for revenge again after apparently being too injured to come on the show.
I brought this up at the time and I'm saying it again, why can't things simmer for a bit? Heck, why even have Braun on the show at all? Let them both sell their injuries for a bit longer, when they get back to the US, bring Braun back, have him kill Kalisto and then the next week, have Reigns come back to brawl with Braun again. You have the time to set it up before the next event so you don't NEED to have them on the show every week and you can sell the fact that this match was so brutal and devastating that it kept these two behemoths off the show for weeks.
If you want to do the house show stuff, great. House shows don't matter in the long term and it sends the crowd happy if Roman comes back there. But the biggest problem WWE has is that they're too scared or unable to make stuff matter for longer than a couple of weeks.
Also, whoever thought that Roman would get a positive reaction IN LONDON, ENGLAND...like...come on, man.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on May 9, 2017 7:42:57 GMT -5
You have injured Braun destroy somebody so horribly that the GM has no choice but to suspend him. Given all that Braun has done already what would he have to do to get suspended? Make fun of Roman Reigns' mother? Sneeze on Vince's sno-cone.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 11:38:13 GMT -5
Storyline-wise it's pretty funny that Braun did dozens of things to Roman that would kill a guy and yet he keeps coming back, but now Braun himself is gone 'cause his arm kinda hurts.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on May 15, 2017 14:29:46 GMT -5
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Post by Error on May 15, 2017 14:31:37 GMT -5
So a Summerslam return it is.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 15, 2017 14:40:00 GMT -5
Six months oof.
It's going to slow down his progression but he will be fine long term
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on May 15, 2017 14:42:16 GMT -5
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Vince_McMahon_2.jpg/220px-Vince_McMahon_2.jpg) I know just what to do. Brock Lesnar vs Roman Reigns.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 15, 2017 14:43:14 GMT -5
He should come back as a superface.
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Post by kingofthings on May 15, 2017 14:43:29 GMT -5
Damn shame, long-term he'll be fine but yeah. I was at the London show last week and barring Hardys he got the biggest reaction, certainly where I was anyway. Hearing that entrance music live was so badass. Went with a friend who hasn't watched wrestling since the dying embers of the Attitude era and coming out of that show he kept going on about how awesome Braun was. Being so engrossed by it all you forget what it must be like for non-fans and how they'd react to certain wrasslers.
Mega shout out for kid sat near me (must've been about ten) who kept shouting for Braun to put Roman "in the bin". His Dad's face looked puzzled as to where it had even come from.
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