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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 22:35:36 GMT -5
Pat was a great creative mind certainly, but it was mainly in regards to structuring the matches. What he excelled at wouldn't really help the major problems with shows now. The fact is, that whole presentation of the shows are just beyond stale. That's a systemic issue that goes way beyond how a match is planned out. And even when it comes to structuring matches there is at least like 35 different trainers and agents who all come from different era's, styles, and scenes with conflicting narratives. That's a consistent complaint with many recent WWE wrestlers. A big reason why The Shield did work was because Joey Mercury was pretty much there exclusive talent agent 99% of the time.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 23:27:23 GMT -5
I know he planned most of the rumble match (may have even thought of the idea) and they've generally been poor since he left.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 17, 2017 2:07:30 GMT -5
A big reason why The Shield did work was because Joey Mercury was pretty much there exclusive talent agent 99% of the time. Perhaps, though a bigger reason - and they've admitted it - is that the trio were near Kliq-like in certain ways backstage and refused to work with a lot of the ideas that were given to them (and that's why the writers kept trying to break them up before finally getting there, they were tired of the Shield guys putting up a united front). What power does Stephanie have (I thought she was mainly in charge of PR now)? Road Dogg is a showrunner? ? RD's been a showrunner for a little while now. Stephanie is Chief Brand Officer, which is a bit more than just a PR rep. Combining that with her role as a minority owner, she has the sway to help dictate the direction of things to "synergize" with where they want their marketing and such to be.
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Post by nickcave on May 17, 2017 14:30:55 GMT -5
I assume RD is a Triple H crony but I have no idea of any other high profile people in place that are Triple H "guys."
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Post by Mecca on May 17, 2017 14:40:34 GMT -5
I assume RD is a Triple H crony but I have no idea of any other high profile people in place that are Triple H "guys." If you look at the list of their backstage personnel very few of them predate Triple H taking the spot he has so...for example Billy Kidman is an H guy.
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Post by Bo Rida on May 17, 2017 14:48:32 GMT -5
I know he planned most of the rumble match (may have even thought of the idea) and they've generally been poor since he left. Yeah that's the main issue with his absence. It goes beyond that match though. The rumble should be the best night of the year to hook casual fans and bring back lapsed fans but it can't be doing that these days. It can also create storylines for the next few months or even stars for the next few years but again it's not really been doing that lately. Yet even if he was there for the rumble or other matches I'm not sure if the moments would still stand out. I believe he was the guy that came up with the finishes to many a big match but I'm guessing that was easier to do when there were a lot less of them. It's like how moments from Takeover matches standout in a way that comparable matches on the main roster just don't.
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Post by Renslayer on May 17, 2017 16:48:44 GMT -5
You guys would have better knowledge of it then I do, but why isn't the writing process more streamlined? From everything I've read, it's like 15 different people trying to put something together that fits. Dedicating a few writers to certain wrestlers & angles would help make things more coherent and well put together
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Post by J. Hova on May 17, 2017 21:35:44 GMT -5
I don't think it is one person. I think the biggest problem is that the WWE has grown to this massive machine in corporate America that has to serve all of its masters.
Want an edgy storyline that might actually reflect real life in America? Nope, might offend this group that our sponsors might drop us. Want to take a risk with some storyline or direction of the company? Nope, stock might tank and shareholders might stomp their feet. Want to think outside of the box and come up with a new and compelling way of telling a story? GFY, we have a TV rights deal coming up next quarter.
That is why we get the same, old tired storylines we've had for the past 15 years. It is safe and reliable. The machine will keep on rolling and make money like it has for decades.
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