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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 15, 2017 15:37:45 GMT -5
Why should Rollins have been a face? The biggest douchebag in years in the WWE gets hurt and we're supposed to cheer him just because he was gone for a while? Give me a break. It's not like he was a tweener or something when he left. Hell, before he got hurt people were in favor of Roman beating him for the title for a change of pace. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. It's the same thing as when Triple H returned in 2001. Before he left he was a selfish asshole who also beat up women, yet the moment he returns he's a triumphant hero. Literally this, lmao. Especially since the game plan was obviously to do Rollins/HHH at Mania. They had their chance to have him come back as a white hot face that was humbled by his injury. People wanted to cheer him. Instead, he comes back as a heel, gets turned on by HHH and now we are supposed to rally behind this crybaby that's not upset that HHH interfered but is just upset that HHH didn't help HIM win the title. It was so absurdly ass-backwards and the perfect example of how to cool off what should have been a hot act.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Jun 15, 2017 19:51:05 GMT -5
When Rollins came back, he should've cut a promo about changing and wanting to do things the right way. From there you have Steph offer him advantages, but he refuses. Everything plays out the same from there, and if Finn gets injured, you IMMEDIATELY start the Triple H feud. The motivation goes from "I was an asshole and I'm mad the boss didn't help me win." To Tri giving the motivation of "When you join The Authority, you don't decide when you leave, I do, and I've decided you're no good to me anymore." But the feud must start IMMEDIATELY. Holding it off till Mania was the biggest blow to Rollins as he was aimless for six months. The WWE mentally of "save it for Mania" is so counterproductive to what they're trying to accomplish most of the time, and it mostly just leads to boring shows. Especially if they ran with the whole Kingslayer gimmick and did the blowoff at Survivor Series, then have HHH scheme for revenge and still bring in Joe after the Royal Rumble to be the one to take Seth out. Then you can have Rollins vs. Joe at WM and Seth would have a ton of momentum, and Joe would actually get to be on the f***ing card.
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Post by benstudd on Jun 17, 2017 0:43:51 GMT -5
The main problem for all the years has been other than Daniel Bryan, WWE never had a mega over babyface in recent memory. And when Seth returned it was like when HHH returned from his injury and won the Rumble, even after all his misdeeds, people were ready to forgive Hunter. It was the same thing here. The WWE Network even had a Doc showing Seth's recovery. Furthermore Seth Rollins was a chosen one, he was one of these guys that both HHH and Vince had singled out to give them a big push. He wasn't just some dude that the smarks had adopted from the indies, here was someone highly viewed by management and had the elements they wanted as far looks and abilities. When he returned, Seth was the big over babyface that Vince himself was looking for. It was a license to print money, just strap a rocket on the guy's back and let it go. But even after Roman was suspended for drugs, Vince still couldn't accept that he would heel or be second fiddle to anybody else as a face. Even when Seth defeated Roman, it was too late. He should have been the guy the moment he returned, on that show. Vince is more than out of touch, he is blind and completely bunkers. The guy he was looking for, the money-maker face, was there. But he wasn't Roman so he couldn't see it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 17, 2017 20:48:12 GMT -5
He was part of SHIELD and they were massively over. So naturally, WWE decided to break them up. That was the first mistake. It deflated the fans. They had something hot and it was all taken away. They decided to turn Seth heel, when the better choice would have been Roman. That's the second mistake. Then the third mistake, of portraying Seth of being the "architect" of the faction, which he never was. It was never established that he was the leader or the founder of the group. So it made no sense. The boasts and claims of heels should always have some element of truth to them, to provide a good motivation. Plucking things out of thin air only leads to shitty booking and poor characterisation. Then the fourth mistake. He whines and complains when HHH betrays him, even though he betrayed SHIELD to join HHH in the first instance. So why should I feel sympathy for him? Then the fifth mistake. The fans still decided to cheer him when he came back. It was the perfect time for a face turn, but no, they kept him heel and he insulted the fans. Now he's the "kingslayer", another shitty nickname. Terrible booking, for a guy I think is average to begin with.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jun 18, 2017 11:25:28 GMT -5
WWE needs to remember great moments happen in months other than March/April and August.
P.S. Who knew a lunatic would end up the stable option.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 12:35:49 GMT -5
It doesn't help that Seth is the worst casted face since Edge when he tried to get Spear, Spear, Spear over. There's blame on all sides and yes they should of had Rollins return as a face but it doesn't help that they panicked after Finn got injured and turned him face while HHH ducked him for 6 months. Fans were supposed to love Rollins for 6 months but he was still a dickhead heel with nothing to rally behind but we were supposed to cheer for him because he was whining HHH turned on him It was like a TNA face turn: Heel gets turned on by other heels, then is supposed to be a face for some reason.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 18, 2017 12:42:37 GMT -5
He was part of SHIELD and they were massively over. So naturally, WWE decided to break them up. That was the first mistake. It deflated the fans. They had something hot and it was all taken away. They decided to turn Seth heel, when the better choice would have been Roman. That's the second mistake. Then the third mistake, of portraying Seth of being the "architect" of the faction, which he never was. It was never established that he was the leader or the founder of the group. So it made no sense. The boasts and claims of heels should always have some element of truth to them, to provide a good motivation. Plucking things out of thin air only leads to shitty booking and poor characterisation. Then the fourth mistake. He whines and complains when HHH betrays him, even though he betrayed SHIELD to join HHH in the first instance. So why should I feel sympathy for him? Then the fifth mistake. The fans still decided to cheer him when he came back. It was the perfect time for a face turn, but no, they kept him heel and he insulted the fans. Now he's the "kingslayer", another shitty nickname. Terrible booking, for a guy I think is average to begin with. I disagree on the first part tho. It was the perfect time to break the shield up and it was a stroke of genius to turn Seth heel instead of Ambrose like everyone expected. Seth would of been a good babyface because of his moveset but being a heel forced him to get comfortable on the mic and now that's one of his best attributes. Where they f***ed up was keeping him heel after his injury but even then the biggest mistake was turning him face because HHH attacked and his motivation for six months was HHH screwed me. He never showed he was sorry for his actions and he expected fans to cheer him because he played to the crowd more. Seth is too talented not to figure this out but like I said earlier he's Edge after his injury trying to get Spear spear spear over as a catchphrase. He's not comfortable as a main event babyface and it's going to take a while for him to find his voice
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