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Post by Sigma: Current SRW Champ! on Dec 23, 2017 16:50:20 GMT -5
I thought Survivor: Gabon was a pretty good season, despite some of the flaws.
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Post by Spider2024 on Dec 23, 2017 17:47:41 GMT -5
By the way, what did they say in the preview for season 36? Anything interesting?
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Post by fw91 on Dec 23, 2017 17:49:39 GMT -5
By the way, what did they say in the preview for season 36? Anything interesting? ghost island. very limited details but somehow the bad decisions of past players regarding twists and advantages will come back and "haunt" a new crop of players. Really don't know what it all means.
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Post by OldDirtyBernie on Dec 23, 2017 18:27:19 GMT -5
I think my favorite season is probably Pearl Islands. It introduced Rupert AND has the gameplay of Johnny Fairplay, which I love.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 23, 2017 18:33:39 GMT -5
I think my favorite season is probably Pearl Islands. It introduced Rupert AND has the gameplay of Johnny Fairplay, which I love. i've grown to hate Rupert over the years. His self-righteousness in heroes vs villains was very apparent. "I'm Rupert, the great provider, if I don't win the game it's because you are an asshole!" "I should win all the time because I'm me!" Russell is a villain for other reasons bro. Not because JT stupidly gave him an idol and he didn't jump ship.
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Post by King Boo on Dec 23, 2017 18:34:23 GMT -5
Pearl Islands is probably my favorite season also. Never was a Rupert fan, though.
I tend to like seasons others don't seem to mention as much. Not on purpose; I just think I see something different when I watch them or something. If it makes me laugh and/or I can quote or reference it, then I probably like it more than the average bear.
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Post by Waffel113 on Dec 23, 2017 18:35:42 GMT -5
Don't really know why, but The Australian Outback's always been my favorite season.
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Post by King Boo on Dec 23, 2017 18:36:35 GMT -5
I think my favorite season is probably Pearl Islands. It introduced Rupert AND has the gameplay of Johnny Fairplay, which I love. i've grown to hate Rupert over the years. His self-righteousness in heroes vs villains was very apparent. "I'm Rupert, the great provider, if I don't win the game it's because you are an asshole!" "I should win all the time because I'm me!" Russell is a villain for other reasons bro. Not because JT stupidly gave him an idol and he didn't jump ship. Never understood the Rupert love, personally. He *always* came across as self-righteous to me. SO MUCH FOR MY DREAMS.
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Post by King Boo on Dec 23, 2017 18:37:50 GMT -5
Don't really know why, but The Australian Outback's always been my favorite season. Australia's a classic.
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Post by Waffel113 on Dec 23, 2017 18:42:52 GMT -5
Don't really know why, but The Australian Outback's always been my favorite season. Australia's a classic. Most definitely. Maybe the best cast ever, unique location, gave birth to a lot of archetypes we still see today (the golden boy challenge beast, the female villain, so on and so forth), and on top of that, it has so many capital-M Moments: Skupin's medevac, the flood wiping out the camp, Colby's immunity run, etc. Every offseason or so, /r/survivor does a re-ranking of the seasons, and I'm always baffled when Australia routinely finishes in the bottom half of the rankings. If it weren't for Pearl Islands, I think it'd be the best pre-All Stars season easily.
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Post by King Boo on Dec 23, 2017 18:51:11 GMT -5
Most definitely. Maybe the best cast ever, unique location, gave birth to a lot of archetypes we still see today (the golden boy challenge beast, the female villain, so on and so forth), and on top of that, it has so many capital-M Moments: Skupin's medevac, the flood wiping out the camp, Colby's immunity run, etc. Every offseason or so, /r/survivor does a re-ranking of the seasons, and I'm always baffled when Australia routinely finishes in the bottom half of the rankings. If it weren't for Pearl Islands, I think it'd be the best pre-All Stars season easily. Recently, Australia being boring is a sentiment I've been hearing. The only reason I can think of is a lot of the fans now are newer and didn't watch Australia live (or close to when it first aired)? By the time they started watching, the game evolved a bit and maybe they don't care for the way it used to be? I'm not sure. Survivor's one of those shows that's been on long enough that you can kind of pinpoint certain things that are lines of demarcation. Like pre and post All-Stars or the F2 era vs. the F3 era. Then smaller ones like idols and twists, or when seasons stopped being about location and started being about a theme.
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Post by Waffel113 on Dec 23, 2017 18:56:53 GMT -5
Most definitely. Maybe the best cast ever, unique location, gave birth to a lot of archetypes we still see today (the golden boy challenge beast, the female villain, so on and so forth), and on top of that, it has so many capital-M Moments: Skupin's medevac, the flood wiping out the camp, Colby's immunity run, etc. Every offseason or so, /r/survivor does a re-ranking of the seasons, and I'm always baffled when Australia routinely finishes in the bottom half of the rankings. If it weren't for Pearl Islands, I think it'd be the best pre-All Stars season easily. Recently, Australia being boring is a sentiment I've been hearing. The only reason I can think of is a lot of the fans now are newer and didn't watch Australia live (or close to when it first aired)? By the time they started watching, the game evolved a bit and maybe they don't care for the way it used to be? I'm not sure. Survivor's one of those shows that's been on long enough that you can kind of pinpoint certain things that are lines of demarcation. Like pre and post All-Stars or the F2 era vs. the F3 era. Then smaller ones like idols and twists, or when seasons stopped being about location and started being about a theme. I would imagine the biggest dividing lines in recent years would be pre/post Russell Hantz (or pre/post Coach, if you're less charitable towards his antics than I am), and then pre/post Cagayan. The former because that marked the first time production really honed in on one dude at the expense of the rest of the cast (I think I read that Russell got 100+ confessionals in Samoa, whereas Natalie got, like, less than 20?), and the latter because that really pushed the chaotic, "make big moves to win the game!" type of strategy to the forefront with Tony's win. Or maybe I'm over-examining it?
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Post by OldDirtyBernie on Dec 23, 2017 19:03:16 GMT -5
I think my favorite season is probably Pearl Islands. It introduced Rupert AND has the gameplay of Johnny Fairplay, which I love. i've grown to hate Rupert over the years. His self-righteousness in heroes vs villains was very apparent. "I'm Rupert, the great provider, if I don't win the game it's because you are an asshole!" "I should win all the time because I'm me!" Russell is a villain for other reasons bro. Not because JT stupidly gave him an idol and he didn't jump ship. I admit that I saw it a bit when I was Watching a bunch of seasons recently, but I honestly think he's just a really good guy and very naive in a lot of way. There does seem to be a chunk of ego mixed in there as well, as you can literally watch him get just a bit more grizzled in each season he plays. I think the ego part comes in as he gets angrier and angrier that he HASN'T won a season, but that's also where the naivete comes in as he doesn't quite understand why someone like him hasn't won, or rarely wins. I'd say my top 3 favorites are Cochran,Rupert, and Tyson. As for Coach, since he was mentioned above - after watching a few seasons, I actually really like the guy and I felt horrible for him on one of his seasons when he sat down to talk with Tyson, crying, and asked why people don't like him.
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Post by King Boo on Dec 23, 2017 19:04:15 GMT -5
Recently, Australia being boring is a sentiment I've been hearing. The only reason I can think of is a lot of the fans now are newer and didn't watch Australia live (or close to when it first aired)? By the time they started watching, the game evolved a bit and maybe they don't care for the way it used to be? I'm not sure. Survivor's one of those shows that's been on long enough that you can kind of pinpoint certain things that are lines of demarcation. Like pre and post All-Stars or the F2 era vs. the F3 era. Then smaller ones like idols and twists, or when seasons stopped being about location and started being about a theme. I would imagine the biggest dividing lines in recent years would be pre/post Russell Hantz (or pre/post Coach, if you're less charitable towards his antics than I am), and then pre/post Cagayan. The former because that marked the first time production really honed in on one dude at the expense of the rest of the cast (I think I read that Russell got 100+ confessionals in Samoa, whereas Natalie got, like, less than 20?), and the latter because that really pushed the chaotic, "big moves win the game!" type of strategy to the forefront with Tony's win. Or maybe I'm over-examining it? That's a fair assessment re: Russell. I see why you say Coach but I think Russell's the real line (plus, I've always loved Coach and can't think of him as a negative haha). The Russell edit - and this is a criticism on the show, not on him - was complete bs and did no one any favors. It literally changed how the game is viewed. I get Tony being the figurehead for the "BIG MOVES" thing but I feel like Probst was pushing that agenda before Cagayan. Wasn't it something that was thrown about a lot in one of Cochran's seasons? I have this memory of him and Probst discussing the need for big moves in order to win at a TC that I'm mostly sure is real. Besides, I think Tony also did little things to win, it's just that his personality is so huge that you don't think of it. But I've always liked Tony, too.
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Post by Waffel113 on Dec 23, 2017 19:09:52 GMT -5
I would imagine the biggest dividing lines in recent years would be pre/post Russell Hantz (or pre/post Coach, if you're less charitable towards his antics than I am), and then pre/post Cagayan. The former because that marked the first time production really honed in on one dude at the expense of the rest of the cast (I think I read that Russell got 100+ confessionals in Samoa, whereas Natalie got, like, less than 20?), and the latter because that really pushed the chaotic, "big moves win the game!" type of strategy to the forefront with Tony's win. Or maybe I'm over-examining it? That's a fair assessment re: Russell. I see why you say Coach but I think Russell's the real line (plus, I've always loved Coach and can't think of him as a negative haha). The Russell edit - and this is a criticism on the show, not on him - was complete bs and did no one any favors. It literally changed how the game is viewed. I get Tony being the figurehead for the "BIG MOVES" thing but I feel like Probst was pushing that agenda before Cagayan. Wasn't it something that was thrown about a lot in one of Cochran's seasons? I have this memory of him and Probst discussing the need for big moves in order to win at a TC that I'm mostly sure is real. Besides, I think Tony also did little things to win, it's just that his personality is so huge that you don't think of it. But I've always liked Tony, too. That's true. About a minute after I made that post I remembered the merge episode of Redemption Island was literally called "This Game Respects Big Moves," so it could definitely be an earlier development than I'm pegging it as. I think it's certainly a post-Heroes vs. Villains phenomenon, though.
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Post by King Boo on Dec 23, 2017 19:17:55 GMT -5
That's a fair assessment re: Russell. I see why you say Coach but I think Russell's the real line (plus, I've always loved Coach and can't think of him as a negative haha). The Russell edit - and this is a criticism on the show, not on him - was complete bs and did no one any favors. It literally changed how the game is viewed. I get Tony being the figurehead for the "BIG MOVES" thing but I feel like Probst was pushing that agenda before Cagayan. Wasn't it something that was thrown about a lot in one of Cochran's seasons? I have this memory of him and Probst discussing the need for big moves in order to win at a TC that I'm mostly sure is real. Besides, I think Tony also did little things to win, it's just that his personality is so huge that you don't think of it. But I've always liked Tony, too. That's true. About a minute after I made that post I remembered the merge episode of Redemption Island was literally called "This Game Respects Big Moves," so it could definitely be an earlier development than I'm pegging it as. I think it's certainly a post-Heroes vs. Villains phenomenon, though. Haha there's seriously an episode named that? Good lord. But yeah, definitely a post-HvV thing.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 23, 2017 19:23:31 GMT -5
You what also great about early seasons? Making the merge seemed to be a lot harder. Like you had to work for it. It was major accomplishment. Nowadays, albeit for a few exceptions,(swaps, shit tribes, idols) if you don't f*** up and just mind your p's and q's making the merge is fairly attainable. its not even the half-way point anymore.
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Post by King Boo on Dec 23, 2017 19:36:34 GMT -5
You what also great about early seasons? Making the merge seemed to be a lot harder. Like you had to work for it. It was major accomplishment. Nowadays, albeit for a few exceptions,(swaps, shit tribes, idols) if you don't f*** up and just mind your p's and q's making the merge is fairly attainable. its not even the half-way point anymore. A byproduct of half the cast making it to jury.
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Post by stealthamo on Dec 23, 2017 21:51:24 GMT -5
Most definitely. Maybe the best cast ever, unique location, gave birth to a lot of archetypes we still see today (the golden boy challenge beast, the female villain, so on and so forth), and on top of that, it has so many capital-M Moments: Skupin's medevac, the flood wiping out the camp, Colby's immunity run, etc. Every offseason or so, /r/survivor does a re-ranking of the seasons, and I'm always baffled when Australia routinely finishes in the bottom half of the rankings. If it weren't for Pearl Islands, I think it'd be the best pre-All Stars season easily. Recently, Australia being boring is a sentiment I've been hearing. The only reason I can think of is a lot of the fans now are newer and didn't watch Australia live (or close to when it first aired)? By the time they started watching, the game evolved a bit and maybe they don't care for the way it used to be? I'm not sure. Survivor's one of those shows that's been on long enough that you can kind of pinpoint certain things that are lines of demarcation. Like pre and post All-Stars or the F2 era vs. the F3 era. Then smaller ones like idols and twists, or when seasons stopped being about location and started being about a theme. So I try to go back and watch older Survivor seasons when I have the time, and so far I've made it through The Amazon. To me, the beginning of Australia is solid, but after the merge vote, the rest of the season just seemed to drag on and on with nothing interesting happening. And I loved both Borneo and Amazon and I'm hoping to watch Pearl Islands soon, so it's not like I feel all of the older seasons are boring. I do think it's definitely at a point of over-saturation when it comes to idols and twists/advantages, especially with this season and Game Changers. Hopefully Ghost Island will be better in that regard, but I'm not holding my breath at the moment.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Dec 23, 2017 23:33:29 GMT -5
For the life of me, I don’t know why Netflix hasn’t picked up old seasons.
There have been a couple that I’ve missed over the years and I have no idea who won, so it’d be like watching a brand new season for me. I’m sure I’m not the only person who falls in that category, so it seems like a no-brainer for a streaming service.
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