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Post by mattperiolat on Sept 13, 2017 8:50:45 GMT -5
And so, it has come to this - today the IOC will meet in Lima. Normally, this would be to elect a host city for the 2024 Olympics in seven years time. But, the process has become so expensive, cities refusing to bid and the Games themselves starting to crush the cities who win them (Athens and Rio are the examples of waste, Sochi and Beijing as white elephant over expense), they are forced to do something unprecedented - with only two cities, Paris and LA, bidding for 2024, the IOC has reached an agreement to be formalized in six hours. Paris will get 2024, LA will get the next summer Games in 2028. No rebid process or election. The IOC hopes this will give two good candidates a chance while they reorganize the bidding process.
In a way, this is a dark period for the Olympics. They are getting ridiculously expensive for host cities and they are rarely seeing returns on the investment anymore. It's the reason why Munich and Oslo backed out of even bidding for the last Winter Games and it defaulted to Beijing. There is also a growing sense of apathy regarding the Games - the negative image of the waste, of the hurt, of the excess, is driving people away. Sure, people still will watch a few events during two weeks in either February or July/August, but who cares after that?
The hope is Paris getting the Games on the 100th anniversary of the last time they hosted and returning to where the Games were saved back in 1984 in Los Angeles will help save the Olympics themselves. We honestly just have to wait and see.
Anyway, no real drama today, but worth discussing where the Games are and where they might be going. How do you solve the problem and salvage an idea 125 years old?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 8:55:14 GMT -5
Instead of randomly giving cities the game, focus on areas that have the infistructure already and rotate annually.
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Post by mattperiolat on Sept 13, 2017 9:19:37 GMT -5
Instead of randomly giving cities the game, focus on areas that have the infistructure already and rotate annually. That appears to be what the IOC is doing to stabilize. Paris and LA can do it, LA especially so, until the IOC decides on the next move. The Games right now are locked in Asia - 2018 in PeyongChang Korea, 2020 in Tokyo, 2022 in Beijing. That's the other problem - rotation has completely broken down because so few cities and countries want to deal with the Games anymore, especially after Athens, Beijing, Sochi and Rio have tarnished the concept.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 13, 2017 14:10:59 GMT -5
It make sense to do it this way, after so many cities got hosed by hosting the games and spending Billions to build the venues to only have a ghost town left behind after it, killed it. It wasn't making sense to keep but in bids to only have nothing for the venues after it.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Sept 13, 2017 19:01:12 GMT -5
I can understand why it hasn't happened from a financial standpoint but the fact that it's been 30+ summer Olympics and Africa has never hosted a games is something that needs to be rectified. South Africa is capable of putting together a massive tournament, after all they held the biggest tournament of them all a few years back. Even if that was just for football and they need to cater for many other events, it's still possible as Cape Town came pretty close in the bidding process a couple of times.
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Post by Regal Stretch on Sept 13, 2017 19:17:24 GMT -5
I can understand why it hasn't happened from a financial standpoint but the fact that it's been 30+ summer Olympics and Africa has never hosted a games is something that needs to be rectified. South Africa is capable of putting together a massive tournament, after all they held the biggest tournament of them all a few years back. Even if that was just for football and they need to cater for many other events, it's still possible as Cape Town came pretty close in the bidding process a couple of times. Funny you should mention this, Durban was meant to host the 2022 Commonwealth Games but got stripped because they failed to meet the initial requirements. An Olympics will not be entering Africa for a long time, and thankfully so, there's far bigger things it needs to invest in rather than a large scale international vanity project.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Sept 13, 2017 20:10:07 GMT -5
I can understand why it hasn't happened from a financial standpoint but the fact that it's been 30+ summer Olympics and Africa has never hosted a games is something that needs to be rectified. South Africa is capable of putting together a massive tournament, after all they held the biggest tournament of them all a few years back. Even if that was just for football and they need to cater for many other events, it's still possible as Cape Town came pretty close in the bidding process a couple of times. Funny you should mention this, Durban was meant to host the 2022 Commonwealth Games but got stripped because they failed to meet the initial requirements. An Olympics will not be entering Africa for a long time, and thankfully so, there's far bigger things it needs to invest in rather than a large scale international vanity project. Oh definitely it has more important things to invest in but as I said, they hosted the biggest sporting tournament in the world only a few years ago. So in the case of South Africa anyway, they seem to be fine with putting it high on an agenda. It's more that as the whole spirit (and indeed logo) is meant to be the "five" continents coming together, it's always going to be a bit shallow whilst one of those continents hasn't hosted a games.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 20:12:37 GMT -5
I was reading somewhere that Denver & Salt Lake City are interested in the Winter Games in 2026, provided they work together.
Maybe this will become the new norm. Instead of one city, partner up with a couple others so the economic side doesn't fall on the shoulders of one.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Sept 13, 2017 20:29:38 GMT -5
I was reading somewhere that Denver & Salt Lake City are interested in the Winter Games in 2026, provided they work together. Maybe this will become the new norm. Instead of one city, partner up with a couple others so the economic side doesn't fall on the shoulders of one. Well there was talk about having either a joint bid between cites in New Zealand or with Australia in 2026 as well. But yeah both Summer and Winter Olympics are now pretty much money pits.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 20:43:48 GMT -5
I'd be all for the Olympics getting split between countries, for instance break the events up into blocks and countries could bid on the various blocks, i.e. all of the water events would be together, gymnastics/wrestling, shooting/archery, soccer, basketball, track and field, etc. This would allow countries to use pre-existing facilities or only have to build facilities for the events that they have, cities wouldn't have to totally rebuild their entire infrastructure to accommodate thousands of tourists, and it could give countries with big followings in some of the more minor Olympic sports a chance to host a part of the Olympics.
The Oympics are an outdated concept that needs to be updated.
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Post by asssvvvvxc on Sept 13, 2017 21:26:54 GMT -5
The teams from both cities were seated at the front of the room for the final presentations, unlike the past when they came in one by one and left the room.
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Post by mattperiolat on Sept 13, 2017 21:36:45 GMT -5
I was reading somewhere that Denver & Salt Lake City are interested in the Winter Games in 2026, provided they work together. Maybe this will become the new norm. Instead of one city, partner up with a couple others so the economic side doesn't fall on the shoulders of one. Possibility of a Calgary 2026 bid as well. The Games are not in a healthy place right now and it's going to take a lot of work, but I believe a redemption is possible in time.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Sept 13, 2017 23:12:22 GMT -5
So I'm a proud Brit and this might come across as biased but what exactly went wrong after London? The 2012 Olympics were seen as a massive success and were very well received worldwide. The Olympic movement seemed to be riding high on the back of London, so what the shit happened in the five years that followed? It can't surely be all the doping and corruption claims? And whilst there were the usual concerns about venues not being ready a week before their event, it seemed that everything went ok at Rio? Yeah, there was the Zika fears which came to nothing and a pool turned green but other than that I don't recall many issues with the games itself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 23:48:04 GMT -5
I was reading somewhere that Denver & Salt Lake City are interested in the Winter Games in 2026, provided they work together. Maybe this will become the new norm. Instead of one city, partner up with a couple others so the economic side doesn't fall on the shoulders of one. Possibility of a Calgary 2026 bid as well. The Games are not in a healthy place right now and it's going to take a lot of work, but I believe a redemption is possible in time. Calgary just makes so much f***ing sense since it's actually has one of the best active functioning Olympic Parks, an hour away from The Rockies, and actually cold with snow. Also Jamacian Bobsledding Team
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Post by mattperiolat on Sept 13, 2017 23:53:37 GMT -5
Possibility of a Calgary 2026 bid as well. The Games are not in a healthy place right now and it's going to take a lot of work, but I believe a redemption is possible in time. Calgary just makes so much f***ing sense since it's actually has one of the best active functioning Olympic Parks, an hour away from The Rockies, and actually cold with snow. Also Jamacian Bobsledding Team I'd love to see the Games back in Calgary, 1988 was a great Games, the first Winter Games I remember. While the sledding venue is great, I remember the ski jump location and Nakiska, site of the alpine events, were bedeviled by the Chinooks. Have to see if that can be worked on. Also been some long standing buzz about the Saddledome slated for replacement. Getting the Games might be that last needed push. But yeah, Calgary next and someday, hopefully, the Summer Games in Toronto.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Sept 14, 2017 3:37:56 GMT -5
So I'm a proud Brit and this might come across as biased but what exactly went wrong after London? The 2012 Olympics were seen as a massive success and were very well received worldwide. The Olympic movement seemed to be riding high on the back of London, so what the shit happened in the five years that followed? It can't surely be all the doping and corruption claims? And whilst there were the usual concerns about venues not being ready a week before their event, it seemed that everything went ok at Rio? Yeah, there was the Zika fears which came to nothing and a pool turned green but other than that I don't recall many issues with the games itself. London had the massive advantage of having most of the infrastructure and facilities already existing so they didn't have to spend as much to host the games. Rio on the other hand had to build most of the infrastructure and facilities which led to games going massively over budget and then in turn sent the city into bankruptcy. Not mention IOC were out of their bloody minds to give Rio the Olympics when they knew fully well they were going to host the football world cup only 2 years before the games.
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Post by mattperiolat on Sept 14, 2017 15:12:39 GMT -5
So I'm a proud Brit and this might come across as biased but what exactly went wrong after London? The 2012 Olympics were seen as a massive success and were very well received worldwide. The Olympic movement seemed to be riding high on the back of London, so what the shit happened in the five years that followed? It can't surely be all the doping and corruption claims? And whilst there were the usual concerns about venues not being ready a week before their event, it seemed that everything went ok at Rio? Yeah, there was the Zika fears which came to nothing and a pool turned green but other than that I don't recall many issues with the games itself. London had the massive advantage of having most of the infrastructure and facilities already existing so they didn't have to spend as much to host the games. Rio on the other hand had to build most of the infrastructure and facilities which led to games going massively over budget and then in turn sent the city into bankruptcy. Not mention IOC were out of their bloody minds to give Rio the Olympics when they knew fully well they were going to host the football world cup only 2 years before the games. To say nothing of the gross overspending for Beijing and Sochi around the same time. It's basically scared smaller cities away from bidding. To say nothing of Athens basically getting leveled and dragging Europe down with it for the Games.
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Post by Push R Truth on Sept 14, 2017 15:19:42 GMT -5
Yeah, I'd say London is one of a dozen or so cities on the planet that could handle the games without stretching itself way past it's limit
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Sept 14, 2017 19:23:56 GMT -5
London had the massive advantage of having most of the infrastructure and facilities already existing so they didn't have to spend as much to host the games. Rio on the other hand had to build most of the infrastructure and facilities which led to games going massively over budget and then in turn sent the city into bankruptcy. Not mention IOC were out of their bloody minds to give Rio the Olympics when they knew fully well they were going to host the football world cup only 2 years before the games. To say nothing of the gross overspending for Beijing and Sochi around the same time. It's basically scared smaller cities away from bidding. To say nothing of Athens basically getting leveled and dragging Europe down with it for the Games. Yeah its flat out insane that Russia spent $51 billion on the winter Olympics despite it being nowhere near as big or popular as the summer Olympics. Also I had a mate who went to Athens a few years ago and he did some underground urban exploration tour of all the abandoned venues that were used at the games. According to him the tour guide spent a good part of the tour saying how hosting the games in Athens was a stupid idea and how its pretty much ruined the city.
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Post by mattperiolat on Sept 14, 2017 20:35:05 GMT -5
To say nothing of the gross overspending for Beijing and Sochi around the same time. It's basically scared smaller cities away from bidding. To say nothing of Athens basically getting leveled and dragging Europe down with it for the Games. Yeah its flat out insane that Russia spent $51 billion on the winter Olympics despite it being nowhere near as big or popular as the summer Olympics. Also I had a mate who went to Athens a few years ago and he did some underground urban exploration tour of all the abandoned venues that were used at the games. According to him the tour guide spent a good part of the tour saying how hosting the games in Athens was a stupid idea and how its pretty much ruined the city. Scarier to hear the then President of the IOC Jacques Rogge admit that Athens was a mistake and the IOC had some responsibility toward the economic downturn in Europe in the late 2000s. I love the Olympics passionately. Been watching since 1984. It is a major interest of mine and I believe in the prosaic potential of the Games. But they have major rebuilding from the excess to save them.
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