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Post by DiBiase is Good on Oct 30, 2017 14:08:17 GMT -5
Here’s what we know so far....
Anthony Rapp claims that Kevin Spacey made an innapropriate sexual advance towards him in 1986. Rapp was 14, Spacey was 26. Spacey issued a statement stating he had no recollection of the incident, stating he would probably have been drunk at the time. Spacey apologised to Rapp. Spacey then addressed the constant rumours about his sexuality and came out as gay.
Spacey has faced a lot of backlash (particularly the LGBT community) for coming out after the allegations as it isn’t relevant to making a sexual advance on a minor and that it adds fuel to the fire of the ridiculous “thin line between homosexuality and paedophile” line that gets spouted. There are also people saying that his possibly being drunk is no excuse for the alleged act.
I asked that people could hold off discussing this so we could start the thread and remind everyone of the rules. Especially the ones about respect. I also direct you to the recent announcement about sexuality and race (even if the big story is not Spacey’s sexuality, it’s his alledged sexual advance towards a minor). Also remember, even though he has apologised, Spacey has not confirmed anything, so at this point, they are simply allegations.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 14:27:15 GMT -5
I think in any situation where a 26 year old cannot unequivocally state they did not make sexual advances towards a 14 year old - it comes off as incredibly shady.
Also, "probably drunk at the time," is a very strange thing for him to say because it kinda makes it seem like "yeah, I might have done it, but I don't remember on account of my inebriation."
Which, again, isn't admitting anything but it's also kinda....I dunno, man - not the strongest denial I ever heard...
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Post by lionheart21 on Oct 30, 2017 14:30:26 GMT -5
As an LGBT ally, I could go on a big tirade here. Instead, I'll just sum it up:
F*** you, Kevin Spacey
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 30, 2017 14:30:57 GMT -5
Spacey really botched this about as badly as he could have PR wise.
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Post by BorneAgain on Oct 30, 2017 14:33:16 GMT -5
FBI to begin combing through Family Guy footage for whatever inside references to sexual misconduct the writers threw in.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 30, 2017 14:38:58 GMT -5
The only thing I can say in his favor is, it's good not to call the guy a liar if he doesn't remember to the contrary, but it also calls into question if it lines up with other things he has been told in the past and that's why he wouldn't question it. Also, maybe the timing of the coming out is to quell inevitable followup questions.
That being said, I think he did it to move the focus away from the accusation. I also am very alarmed that this could fuel a comeback of "gay men are predators" shit that the boy scouts organization wanted to die on the hill of for decades, among others.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 14:41:08 GMT -5
Kevin Spaceys announcement was the most Frank Underwood thing he could of done. Also how much does Seth MacFarlene know? Making Harvey Weinstein jokes, having a skit of Bruce Jenner being transgendered, and now this?
I feel like we need to carefully examine every Family Guy cutaway gag so we can predict every future event for the next 25 years
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Oct 30, 2017 14:44:56 GMT -5
Spacey really botched this about as badly as he could have PR wise. It really is bad. “How can I alienate even more people over this? I know, I’ll confirm what most people have already assumed for years. That won’t end bad will it. It’s not as if there’s ever been any lazy correlation between being gay and being a sex offender”. That’s my biggest issue with his statement (but not the biggest issue with the actual allegations) is that as a gay man, he must have been aware of the unwanted connection. All he’s done is give lazy bigots another “example” of such behaviour.
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Post by eJm on Oct 30, 2017 14:44:56 GMT -5
Kevin Spaceys announcement was the most Frank Underwood thing he could of done. Also how much does Seth MacFarlene know? Making Harvey Weinstein jokes, having a skit of Bruce Jenner being transgendered, and now this? I feel like we need to carefully examine every Family Guy cutaway gag so we can predict every future event for the next 25 years Better question. If he knew this stuff, why the f*** didn't he do anything about it outside of have people write cutaways? It's like that tweet he wrote about the co-worker who spoke to him anonymously about Weinstein and his first instinct wasn't to tell someone or at least ask them if it was ok it was to speak out, it was "Ha! I just wrote a gag for my show! THAT'LL show them!"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 14:45:05 GMT -5
Once again, this has been known for years. Stuff like this just gets ignored because we want to pretend all celebrities are immortal.
Just heard House of Cards has been cancelled. His career should be done now, no exceptions.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 30, 2017 14:45:09 GMT -5
His response to the allegation is bad enough, but to choose now to come out is just baffling.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Oct 30, 2017 14:50:13 GMT -5
Kevin Spaceys announcement was the most Frank Underwood thing he could of done. Also how much does Seth MacFarlene know? Making Harvey Weinstein jokes, having a skit of Bruce Jenner being transgendered, and now this? I feel like we need to carefully examine every Family Guy cutaway gag so we can predict every future event for the next 25 years Better question. If he knew this stuff, why the f*** didn't he do anything about it outside of have people write cutaways? It's like that tweet he wrote about the co-worker who spoke to him anonymously about Weinstein and his first instinct wasn't to tell someone or at least ask them if it was ok it was to speak out, it was "Ha! I just wrote a gag for my show! THAT'LL show them!" Unsubstantiated rumours at the time. Nobody wants to open themselves up to libel.
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Post by eJm on Oct 30, 2017 14:51:50 GMT -5
Better question. If he knew this stuff, why the f*** didn't he do anything about it outside of have people write cutaways? It's like that tweet he wrote about the co-worker who spoke to him anonymously about Weinstein and his first instinct wasn't to tell someone or at least ask them if it was ok it was to speak out, it was "Ha! I just wrote a gag for my show! THAT'LL show them!" Unsubstantiated rumours at the time. Nobody wants to open themselves up to libel. Sure, but the Weinstein thing, at the very very least, came from someone who trusted in him. Like, he couldn't have asked if there was anyone else? Done something more? Heck, reported it anonymously himself? Even with that, something might have been started.
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Post by James Fabiano on Oct 30, 2017 14:54:35 GMT -5
We can safely say that Spacey is...
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 30, 2017 14:57:59 GMT -5
It's important to keep in mind that these are allegations and no concrete proof has been provided. That's not to say this didn't happen or that Anthony Rapp is lying, but calling for someone's career to end when nothing's been proven is premature.
That said, holy f***ing shit, Kevin Spacey. Did you ever pick the absolute worst time to come out.
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Post by Legion on Oct 30, 2017 14:59:47 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think he was deflecting, as much as preparing.
Once this was out, you know the rest of the Spacey stories are coming, and I expect most of them to be from younger guys (there are already a lot of stories out there if you go looking).
He came out now, because he basically didnt have a closet to hide in anymore.
The question regarding the incident, for me, is going to boil down to 1) did he know Rapp was 14 at the time and 2) when the inevitable further stories come, is age going to be a big part of that?
If it turn out he's propositioned a lot of guys over the years, but this was the only underage one, I'd likely believe he was just drunk and didnt know how old Rapp was. If, however, more stories come forth from underage guys, then (as long as there is proof) he should be punished accordingly.
I am sure there are powerful gay guys in Hollywood who have used their position to abuse as much as straight guys have, and likely as much as some women have. The whole industry appears to be built on sleaze and exploitation
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 30, 2017 15:01:45 GMT -5
Kevin Spacey went to the Hulk Hogan School of PR, I see.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 15:06:25 GMT -5
Kevin Spaceys announcement was the most Frank Underwood thing he could of done. Also how much does Seth MacFarlene know? Making Harvey Weinstein jokes, having a skit of Bruce Jenner being transgendered, and now this? I feel like we need to carefully examine every Family Guy cutaway gag so we can predict every future event for the next 25 years Better question. If he knew this stuff, why the f*** didn't he do anything about it outside of have people write cutaways? It's like that tweet he wrote about the co-worker who spoke to him anonymously about Weinstein and his first instinct wasn't to tell someone or at least ask them if it was ok it was to speak out, it was "Ha! I just wrote a gag for my show! THAT'LL show them!" Because making allegations is one of the hardest things to prove in a court of law and especially so if you're not the victim. First you have to be a victim to press charges so that leads to Seth MacFarlane playing the role of a guy who is secretly financing the lawyers. Second of all accusations is one of the most difficult things to prove in court because the only evidences you really have is heresay, a list of people with similar accusations, and maybe if you're lucky a shady paper trail of coverups and bribery but rarely nothing that is downright criminally incriminating that you can actually prosecute the defendant with in what you're hoping for. Fourth you also expose yourself on being counter sued by libel or slander. Fifth if you haven't had the insustainable evidence to make a case and they are proven innocent, it's practically downright impossible to charge them a second time for the same offence unless new unreported allegations or new allegations emerge and even than it's "wow this media circus again?" Just look at the Casey Anthony case for example. It's quite obvious Casey Anthony is guilty for murder but the prosecution f***ed up so badly in delivering evidence they have no choice but declare her innocent and they can't charge her again unless new evidence emerges. Or Jimmy Snuka. Sixth these are downright powerful rich people where a handful of these people have a combined networth of a GDP of a small country. They can afford the best most lawyers in the world to bankrupt you, destroy you in court, or just drag the case forever by burying you in paperwork. Seventh everyone in Hollywood talks so before MacFarlane even tries to start a collective in Hollywood, word will get out and victims will either be bought out, intimidated, blackmailed, and other shady as f*** things. Eight Seth MacFarlane would probably have to quit everything he is doing to put in the money and energy to help these victims out, a guy that rich and one of the most powerful showrunners in the planet. Hell if you're a cynic but I believe a big reason why Harvey Weinstein is getting dropped so fast is that he's been losing money over the years by bad decisions and is nowhere near the big shot producer he used to be. If Harvey was still making new stars and movies he would of been protected a lot more. The good of this is bunch of victims now know it's the perfect time to make allegations because the media, the public interest, and prestigious lawfirms willing to work Pro-Bono or do a we only get paid until the case is won is on their side. Like the most shocking thing about The Weinstein scandal to me is how many 9 figures A-Listers were victims of him and that spanned for nearly 3 decades and still didn't form a collective against him. There is a lot more unreported money, power, and influence The Hollywood Elite really have then what we are lead to believe. If anything making jokes at the Oscars or Family Guy cutaway gags is one of the only things he could do legally or not damage the cause. Plus most of those gags were either based on inside Hollywood rumours or friends telling him things aka heresay.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 30, 2017 15:28:34 GMT -5
Kevin Spaceys announcement was the most Frank Underwood thing he could of done. Also how much does Seth MacFarlene know? Making Harvey Weinstein jokes, having a skit of Bruce Jenner being transgendered, and now this? I feel like we need to carefully examine every Family Guy cutaway gag so we can predict every future event for the next 25 years the Bruce Jenner thing was a pretty common joke at the time as insensitive as it was, because she admits that she was taking horomones at the time but then stopped. Spacey has been rumored to be gay for a long while, and he refused to comment on it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 15:34:11 GMT -5
Kevin Spaceys announcement was the most Frank Underwood thing he could of done. Also how much does Seth MacFarlene know? Making Harvey Weinstein jokes, having a skit of Bruce Jenner being transgendered, and now this? I feel like we need to carefully examine every Family Guy cutaway gag so we can predict every future event for the next 25 years the Bruce Jenner thing was a pretty common joke at the time as insensitive as it was, because she admits that she was taking horomones at the time but then stopped. Spacey has been rumored to be gay for a long while, and he refused to comment on it. I also forgot how Family Guy made a joke about Osama Bin Laden getting past airport security before 9/11. I wonder if this is a niche Hollywood Rumour that will be proven soon in a few weeks
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