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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 23:00:41 GMT -5
FI'm a fan of her as a talent, but face Charlotte is such a bore.
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Post by freeze Austin on Dec 17, 2017 23:02:48 GMT -5
I have no idea who AJ faces next, if this Jinder program is over. Maybe Roode turns heel? I would go with a placeholder feud for the Rumble, before kickstarting his Mania program, hopefully against the Rumble winner since Smackdown is in desperate need of that rub right now.
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Post by freeze Austin on Dec 17, 2017 23:03:19 GMT -5
Dasha and Sami the new power couple.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 17, 2017 23:03:51 GMT -5
Charlotte, I think AJ Styles is the AJ Styles of Smackdown.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 23:04:13 GMT -5
Charlotte seems like a sweetheart, even though, like I said, her face character is boring.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 17, 2017 23:05:34 GMT -5
Uhhh, Charlotte, her dad is Jim.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 23:06:45 GMT -5
Oh god, is Ziggler coming on next? His Talking Smack appearances are always so damn weird.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 17, 2017 23:08:21 GMT -5
Oh god, is Ziggler coming on next? His Talking Smack appearances are always so damn weird. Ziggler was never on the graphic. He must have left the building early.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 17, 2017 23:09:37 GMT -5
I know it's cool to say that WWE is heel-friendly, so it's very refreshing to have a face AJ Styles booked so strongly as Champion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 23:10:56 GMT -5
Oh god, is Ziggler coming on next? His Talking Smack appearances are always so damn weird. Ziggler was never on the graphic. He must have left the building early. Whew! Dodged a bullet there.
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Post by edgestar on Dec 17, 2017 23:31:57 GMT -5
Had an absolute blast at the show. There was another Dean wearer spotted
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Post by hbkid718 on Dec 17, 2017 23:32:55 GMT -5
Here are the facts for Clash of Champions: - Zack Ryder VS Mojo Rawley was both Ryder & Rawley’s 1st PPV match & opener since Hell In A Cell on October 8, Rawley’s 1st singles match since he lost to Jinder Mahal on Smackdown on June 6, 1st singles win since he defeated Mahal on April 11, & Ryder’s 1st singles match of 2017 - Bobby Roode VS Baron Corbin VS Dolph Ziggler was the 20th United States Championship Match of 2017 & the 1st since Smackdown on November 14, the 23rd Triple Threat Match of 2017, the 1st since Tribute to The Troops on December 14, & 1st on PPV since Hell In A Cell, which was also for the US Title, & Ziggler’s 1st PPV since Hell In A Cell on October 8, & was the 8th US Title Change of 2017 & the 1st since Corbin defeated Tye Dillinger & AJ Styles in a Triple Threat at Hell In A Cell on October 8, & 3rd US Title Change in a row to take place in a Triple Threat Match - The New Day VS The Usos VS Shelton Benjamin & Chad Gable VS Aiden English & Rusev was the 13th Smackdown Tag Team Championship Match of 2017, the 1st since Smackdown on November 7, the 16th Fatal 4-Way Match of 2017, the 1st since Raw on December 11, the 1st on PPV since SummerSlam on August 20, & the 1st Tag Team Fatal 4-Way since WrestleMania 33 on April 2, Benjamin & Gable’s 1st PPV since Hell In A Cell, but Benjamin’s 1st on the main card since WrestleMania 26 on March 23, 2010, Gable’s 1st match on the main card since Elimination Chamber on February 12, & English’s 1st PPV since Battleground on July 23 - Charlotte Flair VS Natalya was the 15th Smackdown Women’s Championship Match of 2017, the 1st since Smackdown on November 21, the 4th Lumberjack Match of 2017, the 1st since Smackdown on November 21, & 1st on PPV in 2017, & their 5th re-match - Breezango VS The Bludgeon Brothers was Breezango’s 1st PPV match on the main card since Money In The Bank on June 18 & Harper & Rowan’s 1st PPV since Backlash on May 21 - Shinsuke Nakamura VS Randy Orton VS Kevin Owens & Sami Zayn was the 1st time that there was a Special Guest Referee since Baron Corbin & Shane McMahon were the referees for AJ Styles VS Kevin Owens on Smackdown on August 22, & 1st PPV to have a referee since McMahon was the referee for Styles VS Owens at SummerSlam on August 20, & their 2nd re-match - AJ Styles VS Jinder Mahal was the 12th WWE Championship Match of 2017, the 1st since Smackdown on November 7, Mahal’s 1st PPV since Hell In A Cell on October 8, their 3rd re-match, the 1st time the WWE Title was defended in the main event since Battleground on July 23, which was Mahal’s last main event, & was Styles’ 1st main event since Money In The Bank on June 18
Here are the Clash Facts: - Zack Ryder VS Mojo Rawley was the 9th Dark/Pre-Show/Kickoff Match at Clash/Night of Champions & 3rd year in a row, the 1st Singles Dark/Pre-Show/Kickoff Match since John Morrison VS Ted DiBiase, which was a Dark Match in 2010, Zack Ryder’s 1st Clash/Night of Champions since 2012, & 1st Kickoff Match at Clash/Night of Champions since 2012, Mojo Rawley’s 1st Clash/Night of Champions & 1st Kickoff Match at a Clash/Night of Champions - Bobby Roode VS Baron Corbin VS Dolph Ziggler was the 10th United States Championship Match at Clash/Night of Champions in a row, the 1st time it was ever defended in a Triple Threat Match at Clash/Night of Champions, but was defended in a Fatal 4-Way & 6-Pack Challenge, the 4th Triple Threat Match at Clash/Night of Champions & 2nd year in a row, the 1st men’s Triple Threat Match since 2009, Bobby Roode’s 1st Clash/Night of Champions, 1st United States Title Match, & 1st Triple Threat at Clash/Night of Champions, Baron Corbin’s 1st Clash/Night of Champions, 1st United States Title Match, & 1st Triple Threat Match at Clash/Night of Champions, & was the 1st wrestler since Dean Ambrose in 2013 to defend the US Title in his Clash/Night of Champions debut, Dolph Ziggler’s 8th Clash/Night of Champions & 1st since 2015, 3rd United States Title Match & 1st since 2013, & 1st Triple Threat Match at Clash/Night of Champions, the 1st time that a US Title Match has opened up Night of Champions, & all 3 wrestlers’ 1st Clash/Night of Champions opener, & 4th US Title Change at a Clash/Night of Champions & 3rd year in a row, & 1st ever title change in a Triple Threat Match at Clash/Night of Champions - The New Day VS The Usos VS Shelton Benjamin & Chad Gable VS Aiden English & Rusev was the 11th Tag Team Championship Match at a Clash/Night of Champions & 10th year in a row, the 4th Fatal 4-Way Match at Clash/Night of Champions & 1st since 2013, the 1st time that there was both a Fatal 4-Way & Triple Threat Match at Clash/Night of Champions, Chad Gable & Shelton Benjamin’s 1st Clash/Night of Champions, 1st Tag Team Title Match, & 1st Fatal 4-Way Match at Clash/Night of Champions, Big E’s 3rd Clash/Night of Champions in a row, 3rd straight Tag Team Title Match at Clash/Night of Champions, & 1st Fatal 4-Way Match at Clash/Night of Champions, Kofi Kingston’s 9th Clash/Night of Champions, keeping his record of the wrestler with the most matches at a Clash/Night of Champions & 3rd in a row, his 5th Tag Team Title Match at Clash/Night of Champions & 3rd in a row, & 1st ever Fatal 4-Way Match at Clash/Night of Champions, & they were the 1st wrestlers since Cody Rhodes in 2008, 2009, & 2010 to compete in a Tag Team Title Match 3 years in a row at Clash/Night of Champions, Aiden English’s 1st Clash/Night of Champions, 1st Tag Team Title Match, & 1st Fatal 4-Way at Clash/Night of Champions, Rusev’s 4th Clash/Night of Champions in a row, 1st Tag Team Title Match, & 1st Fatal 4-Way Match at Clash/Night of Champions, The Usos’ 4th Clash/Night of Champions & 1st since 2014, their 2nd Tag Team Title Match & 1st since 2014, & 1st Fatal 4-Way Match at Clash/Night of Champions - Charlotte Flair VS Natalya was the 11th Women’s/Diva’s Title Match at Clash/Night of Champions & 10th year in a row, the 2nd Lumberjack Match at a Clash/Night of Champions & 1st since Melina VS Michelle McCool in 2013, which was also for the Women’s/Diva’s Title, Charlotte Flair’s 3rd Clash/Night of Champions in a row & 3rd Women’s Title Match in a row, making her the only women to compete in 3 straight Women’s Title Matches at a Clash/Night of Champions & the only women to compete in 3 matches at a Clash/Night of Champions, Natalya’s 2nd Clash/Night of Champions & 1st since 2013, & 2nd Women’s/Diva’s Title Match at Clash/Night of Champions & 1st since 2013 - Breezango VS The Bludgeon Brother was Tyler Breeze’s Clash/Night of Champions debut, Fandango’s 2nd Clash/Night of Champions & 1st since 2013, Harper’s 2nd Clash/Night of Champions & 1st since 2015, & Rowan’s Clash/Night of Champions debut - Shinsuke Nakamura & Randy Orton VS Kevin Owens & Sami Zayn was the 1st ever match at Clash/Night of Champions to have a Special Guest Referee, Shinsuke Nakamura’s Clash/Night of Champions debut, Randy Orton’s 7th Clash/Night of Champions & 1st since 2014 & 1st Tag Team Match at Clash/Night of Champions, Kevin Owens’ 3rd Clash/Night of Champions in a row & 1st Non-Title or Tag Team Match at Clash/Night of Champions, & Sami Zayn’s 2nd Clash/Night of Champions in a row & 1st Tag Team Match - AJ Styles VS Jinder Mahal was the 18th World Championship Match at a Clash/Night of Champions counting all forms of the WWE, World, Universal, & ECW Titles, & 10th year in a row, the 5th year in a row that a WWE, World, or Universal Title Match was the main event of Clash/Night of Champions & 9th out of 11th Clash/Night of Champions PPVs to have a Title Match as the main event, AJ Styles’ 1st Clash/Night of Champions PPV, 1st WWE Title Match at a Clash/Night of Champions PPV & 1st Clash/Night of Champions main event & he was the 1st wrestler since Alberto Del Rio in 2011 to make his Clash/Night of Champions debut as the defending WWE Champion, Jinder Mahal’s 2nd Clash/Night of PPV & 1st since 2012, which was on the Pre-Show, 1st WWE Title Match at a Clash/Night of Champions & 1st Clash/Night of Champions main event
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 17, 2017 23:33:35 GMT -5
That'd be a bigger "wait, what?" shoot up the card than Jinder, IMO. Mojo at least has the charisma and mic skills to suggest that he *could* pull off a big push. There's at least something to build upon. And he wasn't a career jobber before this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 23:58:45 GMT -5
Mojo at least has the charisma and mic skills to suggest that he *could* pull off a big push. There's at least something to build upon. And he wasn't a career jobber before this. Considering that they were probably going to give a big push to Big Cass who doesn’t have much going for him other than he’s tall and he pretty well sucks out loud I’d be fine with Mojo getting a chance to move up.
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Dec 18, 2017 0:53:02 GMT -5
US Title Match: Fun opener. Good action throughout. Ziggler wimning though....ugh!
Tag Title Match: Slow start, but WOW! did it pick up at the end. Another good match.
Women's Title Match: DUD! Keep these women apart. Best thing during the match was Graves destroying Saxton on commentary.
Breezango vs. 2B: I love the Bludgeon Brothers. Hopefully The Ascension stick up for there friends on SDL.
Orton/Nakamura vs. Team Canada: Slow burning match, but I actually thought this was a overbooked match that worked, surprisingly. Also no swerve for swerve sake.
WWE Championship Match: Honestly I fast forward most of this. Glad AJ won. Hope Jinder is done.
Overall: Not horrible. 6/10.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 1:12:13 GMT -5
Hope you guys are ready for the Corbin main event push incoming.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 18, 2017 4:04:40 GMT -5
Hope you guys are ready for the Corbin main event push incoming. AJ has a knack for big man, little man matches. If AJ can make Mahal look like a beast, he can and has already done so with Corbin.
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Post by Hickster on Dec 18, 2017 5:07:06 GMT -5
Hope you guys are ready for the Corbin main event push incoming. Two fresh batteries in the remote, I'm ready.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Dec 18, 2017 5:44:03 GMT -5
FI'm a fan of her as a talent, but face Charlotte is such a bore. I'm with you and I LOVE Charlotte. They don't know how to book face champions on SDL. Look at both Charlotte's and AJ's matches. Both were dominated 90% of it, and both came back to reverse things into submission victories, not dominating, but still winning. AJ should be dominating more, showing off why he is phenomenal. Charlotte should be allowed to more of the "Queen" persona she was as a heel, in the ring, as a face. The bookers for these matches are really doing them a disservice. And I know that Charlotte is so much better than this. But please, can we get her away from Natalya. Natalya is solid in the ring, but is not good at storytelling at all. and she has 12,000 cats.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 18, 2017 12:40:41 GMT -5
WWE Clash of Champions December 17th, 2017 | TD Garden in Boston, Massachusetts | Attendance: 14,318
I went to see Star Wars: The Last Jedi last night instead of watching this live. I got home in time to see the last two matches, so I went back and watched the show.
Kickoff Match: Mojo Rawley vs. Zack Ryder I’m surprised at how intrigued I am by heel Mojo. He used Twitter to his advantage, similar to the Corbin/Miz build heading into Survivor Series. The match got off to an intense start, which was very much appreciated. It slowed a bit for Mojo’s heat segment through the break, though that was understandable. The crowd was into it and the guys worked it like they really hated one another. Ryder not taunting before hitting the facewash was a nice touch. Mojo chop blocked Ryder and won with a running forearm at 7:08. That was a strong Kickoff match. It had some emotion behind it and Mojo looked better than ever. I’m looking forward to more from them. [**¾]
WWE United States Championship: Baron Corbin [c] vs. Bobby Roode vs. Dolph Ziggler I like Baron Corbin. That being said, it’s hard to find a match I care less about. Roode is kind of just there and Dolph has been uninteresting in every program not involving Miz for the past three years. Corey Graves had the nerve to say Dolph might be the best in-ring competitor ever. I like you Corey, but wow. This followed a lot of the usual Triple Threat match tropes. One guy chills outside while two went at it inside. Roode and Dolph had better exchanges here than any of their singles matches. Things picked up down the stretch, with the crowd getting behind Roode and more into the match. There was a great moment where Corbin nearly stole the pin like so many heels do, only to get thrown out of the ring and return to break up another pin. Dolph stopped the End of Days with a Zig Zag in the end to capture his second US Title at 12:13. It was way better than it had any right to be considering the awfully bland build. It got better as it went on and finished with a flurry. Putting the title on Dolph is a bad move. He’s been beyond stale for so long, his performances haven’t wowed in a long time and his title reigns never amount to anything. [***¼]
WWE Smackdown Tag Team Championship: The Usos [c] vs. Aiden English and Rusev vs. Chad Gable and Shelton Benjamin vs. The New Day No matter how many times they kill Rusev’s momentum, he’s always great and remains over. The fans love the Rusev Day stuff. Rusev never being WWE Champion is my biggest issue with WWE in the past few years. This had an interesting setup, with four guys legal at a time. I appreciated the attempt to do something different. Lots of action and antics to start, before we literally got dual rest holds. They also built to stereo hot tags, which was fun as Big E and Jimmy both did their thing. From there, it broke down into the wildness we all love in these kinds of matches. The fans ERUPTED when Rusev put the Accolade on Gable, but Big E broke things up. Gable’s Chaos Theory on English was sick, while the one to Big E was incredible. The Usos cut off another attempt and used a combo of superkicks and a splash to retain in 15:14. There was no match I was more excited for than this one and it delivered. Rusev Day and Gable were incredible, the Usos and New Day continued to be top notch and the Smackdown tag division has been great this year. This was a blast. [***½]
WWE Smackdown Women’s Championship Lumberjack Match: Charlotte [c] vs. Natalya Why do they keep going back to this match? They had a very good match at TakeOver in 2014 and one at Roadblock last March. Every other time they meet, it ranges from complete garbage to okay at best. And yet, this was at least their fourth PPV match together. Guess what? This was their worst. Natalya in control is boring an awkward. Charlotte as a babyface is more miscast than Sasha Banks. It doesn’t click. The lumberjacks didn’t add much, as it was the same story we get in all lumberjack matches. Charlotte hit a nice dive onto a pile of bodies for the highlight. Charlotte countered the Sharpshooter into the Figure Eight to win in 10:36. This sucked. Ruby Riott, Carmella, Becky Lynch (even though she’s out) and even going back to Naomi are all far better ideas than Charlotte/Natalya matches. [¾*]
Someone thought Natalya, a bad promo, should cut one. She said Charlotte cut corners and used her family name to get where she is and that she’s put on great matches for ten years (ha) but people turned their backs on her. She was now turning her back on us.
The Bludgeon Brothers vs. Breezango Complete domination. I enjoy the comedy aspects of Breezango and they had a great match with the Usos back in May. However, now was time to build Harper and Rowan, so they won in 2:11 with a double crucifix bomb. It was what it needed to be. [NR]
Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn vs. Randy Orton and Shinsuke Nakamura They hyped Orton and Nakamura as a dream team, like this same exact match didn’t happen on Smackdown a few weeks ago. The difference was that Shane McMahon and Daniel Bryan were the referees here. They turned out to be the entire focus of the match. Focusing on the non-wrestlers/part-timers was part of what murdered the Survivor Series main event. The fans chose to side with KO and Sami, probably because they’re far more interesting. The storytelling was rather good, there’s just a lot of extra with the referee. It was like Shane at SummerSlam this year. What bumped this up in score for me was the finish. Shane blatantly screwed the heels, choosing not to count three for Sami. That caused an argument between Shane and Bryan, leading to Bryan fast counting for Sami’s next pin and giving them the win at 21:39. As I said, this told a fine story and had a great finish, but was bogged down by too much ref shit. [**½]
WWE Championship: AJ Styles [c] vs. Jinder Mahal w/ The Singh Brothers I never got behind the Jinder Mahal push. When it started, I felt he wasn’t ready and I hold that position today. His feuds with Randy Orton and Shinsuke Nakamura were pure shit (though I attribute part of it to Shinsuke and Randy putting in lackluster efforts). However, it was the AJ Styles feud that helped turn some stuff around. Their match in the UK where AJ captured the title was very good and they bested it here. Styles understood the best way to work as Jinder’s opponent. He allowed Jinder to use his power and control a good portion of the match. AJ bumped and sold the ribs very well, making Jinder’s heat segment better than most others would have. When the Singh brothers got involved, it made sense and wasn’t overdone. It also didn’t lead right to the finish, which happened too often in prior Jinder matches. Jinder teased using the Styles Clash, but AJ countered into the Calf Crusher to retain after 22:57. The best match of Jinder’s career and it proved that he could deliver rather well in the right setting. [****]
Overall: 5.5/10. Not a worst PPV of the year contender like I’ve seen some call it. However, it also isn’t one that stands out or will be remembered in the long run. The Kickoff and US Title matches both exceeded my expectations. Jinder had the best match of his career in a great main event, while the Tag Team Title match was as fun as expected. I didn’t care much for the Shane/Bryan tag stuff and thought the Women’s Title match was one of the worst in recent memory.
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